The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 9

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  1. Thread Manager

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    This is a continuation thread, the old thread is [split]382165[/split]
     
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    This is a continuation thread, the old thread is [split]381123[/split]
     
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    I don't think there was any reason to think that at the time. Ang Lee's Hulk didn't do too well but TIH was Marvel's chance to do something on their own, with one of their most popular characters.

    They wouldn't have any idea that Avengers could be so popular at the time because TIH came out the same year as Iron Man, which means it was started before even the IM success.

    But personally I think Norton was just as good as Ruffalo and I don't have any problems with TIH. Hulk himself is of course more spectacular in TA but I'm not sure there will be the same opportunities for that in a solo movie. Despite the success of Hulk in TA I'm not sure they will risk a huge budget for their least successful Avenger.
     
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    I thought Norton's Banner was incredibly boring. It was one of his weakest ever performances, like he sleep walked through the role.

    I also hated the Hulk design and the CGI wasn't up to scratch for a big budget movie in 2008. And the whole idea of his elevated heart rate causing a Hulk out was stupid.
     
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    I loved Norton's Banner and Hulk's design even more-so, but that CGI was definately a "no go" for a 2008 film.
     
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    One could theoretically could say that about all the films. I dont think holding off would have been a good idea at all. The next Hulk film will benefit off riding off The Avengers success
     
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    Agreed. Ruffalo's Banner (not Hulk) was fun, intense, intimitating, intimidated (when dodging stuff on the helicarrier), genius-level intelligent...

    Norton was.............. none of the above (imo).
     
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    ^ Very true, I can't wait to see how big of a boost Thor get's with THOR II next year.

    I heard several kids and even a middle aged woman say "I wanna be Thor" and I was like "Whaa? Are you sure didn't mean Hulk?"
     
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    I rewatched Thor on Saturday and I liked it better than the first time but I was reminded what I didnt like at bout it and it was that there wasnt enough action. Thor spends the bulk of it powerless and we dont get a big action sequence till the end (not counting the one in the beginning).

    Seeing how action packed Avengers was, Im hoping Thor 2 will be especially since he has his powers and I dont expect to see him lose them
    Very interested to seeing Ruffalo when he inevitable is the lead of his own film. Wasnt really that intersted in Hulk till now
     
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    The kid in front of me kept yelling where's Hulk and when Banner turned up he yelled "who's that" :dry:

    He knew who Thor, Loki and Iron Man were though.

    The boost that a Hulk film would get post-Avengers must be torturing Marvel execs (in a good way) right now. Personally I want to see more Ruffalo as Banner and I hope it's soon because the guy just turned 44.

    Also Ruffalo's twitter was hacked yesterday and he was trading amusing tweets with his hacker to the point of "I am in a existential twitter struggle against a bad vibe merchant hacker. Hulk will prevail." (Poor guy though.)
     
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    Imo the Frost Giant battle pretty much made up for the overall lack of action in THOR, but yeah THOR II should definately take it up several notches.

    I was always interested in Hulk to be honest, I though Bana was pretty serviceable and Norton was actually a good Banner.
     
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    I remember when Norton was cast my initial reaction was
    YES!!
    Seeing him do split personality roles so masterfully in Fight Club and Primal Fear I thought "wow this guy is going to be a perfect Bruce Banner"
    After seeing the movie I was basically :dry:
    Norton should have inhabitated the role like Fassbender did with Magneto or RDJ did with Tony Stark.
    He was really no better than Bana in my opinion.
     
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    It's the Ruffalo-Whedon combination that made the character shine. Reading all the interviews on how they went about building it as a continuation of TIH; a lot of thought seems to have been put into it by those two e.g. they wrestled for an hour during their first meeting to figure out the whole anger aspect. I think those discussions and ideas helped Whedon a lot when he wrote the script.

    There's some interesting stuff from Whedon on the problems he spotted with the earlier Hulk movies in this interview:

    The bolded bit is fanning the little hope in me that if they do decide on a solo Hulk movie, Whedon would want to write it.
     
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    Or Evans did with Cap, Hemsworth with Thor and Hiddleston with Loki. :woot:
     
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    Exactly :up:
    I didn't get that from Norton but I did from Ruffalo thankfully.
     
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    I just remembered that Hulk smashing Loki was something I've thought about with super strong people for a long time. When no one has done that I've taken it as part of the concept but now that Hulk grabbed Loki and smashed him around, you have to wonder why not all strong characters fight like that fairly often. Even Iron Man is strong enough to do that to a regular sized person.

    I think they were strong at different aspects, which fits the character development. I feel much more compassion for Norton's banner and the situation he's in. Ruffalo's banner is more likable as a person, as he isn't particularly tormented, and plays up different aspects.

    Since they did do the Banner on the run story in TIH I think Ruffalo's banner wouldn't have been as convincing on the internal struggle. That's not a comment on Ruffalo's acting though, as he probably would have acted differently if he had been on board back then.
     
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  17. TomPiltoff

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    Well, it's there, so it gets counted.
     
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    :bh:i want more hulk ....not only a tv series but a new standalone movie...hope they find a good story to make him fit in
     
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    I felt Norton on paper was a good idea, after all he did so well in fight club. However when he played Banner, he seemed like he didnt wanna be there like he was just going through the motions. It was a good movie, but not great. The director Louis was a bad pick, and it suffered from other casting and writing flaws IMO.
    The Avengers however Spot On! Ruffalo is perfect, because he captured that warm quality we loved from Bixby. However he also injected his own to it, Ruffalo was INSPIRED casting. The man even looks like the hulk, which worked when he was hulk. Also the way he used some Gorilla Movements, made alot of sense with hulk. The one thing i would have liked to see translated over from TIH, is the green eyes and the green veins. Otherwise The Avengers Hulk transformation was perfect, painful and a slight of horror to it. I love how everyone was on edge around Banner, and when widow was trapt next to him she was so scared he was gonna change.
     
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    Actually he's strong enough to do that to a Hulk-sized person as well, of course that's if he catches Hulk off guard.
     
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    lol
     
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  22. Smashlilman

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    Same here.

    Fight club sold me on Norton but after i saw The Incredible Hulk, I realized that he was just playing Norton and not Banner.
     
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    My bad i meant Gorilla lol By the way does anybody have the art of avengers book yet? and if so any scans of hulk material in there?
     
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  24. Keyser Soze

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    This was a pretty key aspect of Mark Ruffalo's appeal. You weren't just waiting for him to turn into The Hulk, like you're not just waiting for Tony Stark to throw on his Iron Man armour.
     
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  25. Dark Raven

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    I think Ruffalo was able to bring some of the same intensity as Bill Bixby to the role. There was an underlying anger beneath the surface. We saw flashes of it such as when he first encountered ScarJo. That was a similar type of thing that Bixby might've done.

    I just wish they had the green/white glowing eyes and that this deleted scene that Ruffalo describes with Harry Dean Stanton was still in the final cut. It seems to have been an important revelatory moment for Banner which would've helped explain how there was a shift in his behaviour as the Hulk.
     
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