The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 9

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Man I have that scene as a beautiful GIF and I can't have a profile pic for a month. What a strange rule...
 
Ang Lee's Hulk looks like ass, period. Scrap it entirely. Give me the face of Avengers Hulk with the body of TIH's Hulk and I'd be pleased as punch.
 
I feel like maybe you weren't watching the Hulk movies very closely.

I was. I didn't like the characterization of the hero(es). TIH's explanation for Bruce's triggering the houlk outs didn't help, either (aka if he gets excited in any way he hulks out). Lack of heart was what didn't do it for me, I guess. Which Ruffalo/Whedon's version had lots of.
 
Ruffalo interview with newish quotes from LA Times:

It's because of these little details that Whedon wrote in for Banner that make me interested in seeing where Whedon could take the character to. Banner did not actually have that much screen time (I think he's behind Cap, Stark and BW) but they really maximised every second to show his evolution.

Very nice. And that's why he's my favorite, by far.
 
They actually booed? F**k 'em. That's way out of line.

Fandom is a double edged sword unfortunately. Hell I remember driving to see the Avengers opening night with my fiancé, she was certain that Ruffalo would suck, all because he wasn't Norton. :doh:
 
She took back the all crap she'd said about him, which is a big deal for her considering that she didn't even think Ruffalo was a good actor before watching TA.

Plus I get to use that against her now :hehe:
 
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^^ Nice.

One of the main things I love about this interpretation of Banner was the fact that after seeing it a few times, you really do get the sense that although Banner isn't necessarily happy about the situation per se, a part of him seems to in fact be enjoying being back in a lab, being productive, and interacting with 'normal' people and for the most part not being treated like a freak.

Once he's reassured by Fury that he's there strictly to help them track the gamma ray signal, you can see a sense of calm in Banner, like a weight's been lifted off his shoulders and he can, in essence, be himself for the first time in a long time.

His relationship with Tony is vastly underrated if you ask me. Frankly, it was one of my favorite aspects of the movie. They pretty much found a kindred spirit in each other.
 
^^ Nice.

One of the main things I love about this interpretation of Banner was the fact that after seeing it a few times, you really do get the sense that although Banner isn't necessarily happy about the situation per se, a part of him seems to in fact be enjoying being back in a lab, being productive, and interacting with 'normal' people and for the most part not being treated like a freak.

Once he's reassured by Fury that he's there strictly to help them track the gamma ray signal, you can see a sense of calm in Banner, like a weight's been lifted off his shoulders and he can, in essence, be himself for the first time in a long time.

His relationship with Tony is vastly underrated if you ask me. Frankly, it was one of my favorite aspects of the movie. They pretty much found a kindred spirit in each other.

It was a quite reminiscent of all those scenes in the TV series with Bill Bixby where he met a fellow scientist (whether male or female) and was able to reveal his true identity of David Banner (and not something else beginning with B lol) and they began working together either to find a cure for his condition or to combat something else. In all those scenes, and in this one too, it's like Banner feels useful and valued as a person once again, and he even discovers a kindred spirit in that friend. Heck, one of the episodes of the TV series was even called "Kindred Spirits" where he was working with Kim Catrall.
 
Heck, one of the episodes of the TV series was even called "Kindred Spirits" where he was working with Kim Catrall.

One of my favorites. I remember in 2008 I won a bar trivia game for knowing she was the one that had previously featured in 2 TV shows that were (at the time) on the big screen -Sex & The City and TIH. :woot:
 
So did Fury plan on using Hulk for the Avengers Initiative or did he honestly only wan't Banner as a gamma specialist?
 
I was. I didn't like the characterization of the hero(es). TIH's explanation for Bruce's triggering the houlk outs didn't help, either (aka if he gets excited in any way he hulks out). Lack of heart was what didn't do it for me, I guess. Which Ruffalo/Whedon's version had lots of.

I dont think in TIH that was necessarily true. I think Banner may have believed that as we he was coming to terms with what made him turn. Obviously with anger comes the accelerated heart rate which he was trying to learn how to control with the jiu jitsu instructor. I just dont think he wanted to take any chances with Betty in the motel room, as I'm sure getting banged by the Hulk wouldn't be a pleasant experience LOL. I think by film's end in the cabin in Canada he finally "gets" it and we see that carried over to The Avengers


So did Fury plan on using Hulk for the Avengers Initiative or did he honestly only wan't Banner as a gamma specialist?

I think they knew they'd likely need the Hulk at some point. Hence him telling Widow to "bring in THE big guy."
 
I dont think in TIH that was necessarily true. I think Banner may have believed that as we he was coming to terms with what made him turn. Obviously with anger comes the accelerated heart rate which he was trying to learn how to control with the jiu jitsu instructor. I just dont think he wanted to take any chances with Betty in the motel room, as I'm sure getting banged by the Hulk wouldn't be a pleasant experience LOL. I think by film's end in the cabin in Canada he finally "gets" it and we see that carried over to The Avengers




I think they knew they'd likely need the Hulk at some point. Hence him telling Widow to "bring in THE big guy."

How did you manage to get that name? haha the user name, I feel like something like that would be snatched right up
 
Do you guys remember the comic-con when they did the Avengers line-up introductions and they booed Mark Ruffalo? I wonder how those people feel now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkINcovFxaY

I didn't really hear boos, they just weren't really cheering. He sure showed them all though. It's funny. Two years ago, I was really disappointed that Norton wouldn't be coming back to play Banner but now I almost kind of wish that they had cast Ruffalo from the start.
 
I didn't really hear boos, they just weren't really cheering. He sure showed them all though. It's funny. Two years ago, I was really disappointed that Norton wouldn't be coming back to play Banner but now I almost kind of wish that they had cast Ruffalo from the start.

I think if anything fanboys were pissed off at Fiege/Marvel for getting rid of Norton. Don't think any of that was directed at Ruffalo personally.
 
What I liked about Ruffalo's performance as Banner was that he had that underlying simmering anger that Bixby showed when playing Banner. I didn't get any feel of anger from Bana's and Norton's performances. When Ruffalo's Banner was on the Helicarrier and slowly building up his anger whilst everyone was arguing made Banner seem threatening which makes Hulk even more threatening.

Eric Bana (under Ang Lee's direction) suppressed every emotion and came across like a bore. 2008 was better, but we didn't see Norton really get angry. The "elevated heart rate = Hulk-out" means that Banner wouldn't have to get angry; prolonged jumping jacks could make him Hulk-out, then. Anger has always been the iconic trigger (not sex, etc.), hence Bixby's classic line, "Don't make me angry..." During Norton's first Hulk-out in the bottling plant, he looked worried or scared that he would Hulk-out, not angry that he was being chased. The campus scene, again, had him look concerned/scared instead of filled with rage. Even the fall at the end showed a scared Banner falling instead of an angry one (yes, I realize why that particular scene would show fear instead of anger).

I'm so glad they got rid of that concept and we got to see this delicious, intense "Ruffalo Stew" that simmered, bubbled, and finally boiled over. It made the anticipation--and the inevitable release--much more fulfilling.

Back in the day, Bill Bixby conveyed that sense of, "It makes me so mad that you're picking on an innocent/genuinely nice person that was only trying to help," yet he knew he shouldn't get mad--but the principle of it made him that much more angry. It was this beautiful mess of tension, like trying to cover the top of a volcano with Saran Wrap in an effort to stop it.

Ruffalo channeled his inner Bixby, while adding his own expertise and delivers a Banner that is--dare I say--just as enjoyable to watch as his (absolutely) incredible alter-ego, the Hulk! And who even thought THAT was possible...or even desirable?! Bravo, Mr. Whedon & Mr. Ruffalo.
 
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Eric Bana (under Ang Lee's direction) suppressed every emotion and came across like a bore. 2008 was better, but we didn't see Norton really get angry. The "elevated heart rate = Hulk-out" means that Banner wouldn't have to get angry; prolonged jumping jacks could make him Hulk-out, then. Anger has always been the iconic trigger (not sex, etc.), hence Bixby's classic line, "Don't make me angry..." During Norton's first Hulk-out in the bottling plant, he looked worried or scared that he would Hulk-out, not angry that he was being chased. The campus scene, again, had him look concerned/scared instead of filled with rage. Even the fall at the end showed a scared Banner falling instead of an angry one (yes, I realize why that particular scene would show fear instead of anger).

I'm so glad they got rid of that concept and we got to see this delicious, intense "Ruffalo Stew" that simmered, bubbled, and finally boiled over. It made the anticipation--and the inevitable release--much more fulfilling.

Back in the day, Bill Bixby conveyed that sense of, "It makes me so mad that you're picking on an innocent/genuinely nice person that was only trying to help," yet he knew he shouldn't get mad--but the principle of it made him that much more angry. It was this beautiful mess of tension, like trying to cover the top of a volcano with Saran Wrap in an effort to stop it.

Ruffalo channeled his inner Bixby, while adding his own expertise and delivers a Banner that is--dare I say--just as enjoyable to watch as the (absolutely) incredible alter-ego, the Hulk! And who even thought THAT was possible...or even desirable?! Bravo, Mr. Whedon & Mr. Ruffalo.

Exactly. I love this about Ruffalo's Banner. I wasn't counting the minutes until he transformed. I genuinely felt bad for him and feared for the safety of the people around him. When Widow was trapped I actually didn't want him to transform for fear that she would be royally ****ed. It was a relief when Thor came in to save the day. That's the kind of Hulk I like to see.

Though in defense of the heightened heart-rate deal, the TV show did this too at times. Sometimes David Banner would be in a terrible trap of some sort and it wasn't anger that got him to Hulk out but sheer fear. Hell, sometimes even pain did it. He wasn't angry every single time he Hulked out (though in the movies he wasn't angry for any of the Hulk outs except for Ang Lee's Hulk).

I can understand the decision. His fear has been more of a trigger in both the movies and comics. He's been shot in the head and hulked out before. He certainly did not have any time to get angry.
 
I didn't see this "simmering anger" a few people keep talking about.

I saw Mark Ruffalo being kind of wry. I mean, there's a little bit of "simmering" when he starts actually getting angry and is holding Loki's staff, but its pretty noticeable then.
 
it can't be 'only' anger that triggers the change or he wouldn't Hulk out when eating a bullet or when Banner is subject to some form of physical attack that requires Hulking out to save him.
 
Good points, guys. I realize that it's not soley anger that triggers the transformation (the splash-page box for years always said, "...in times of stress..."), but I said anger was the iconic trigger, hence the "Don't make me angry" line. Sarg said he didn't see the anger in and under Norton's performance and I was just saying one reason why is because we never really saw him angry. It did seem odd (in hindsight) that the 2008 movie, which had an homage to the famous line AND Bixby, himself, didn't show Banner's anger trigger the transformation.
 
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