The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 9

[terry78]

If they maintain how he's viewed as a good guy now by a lot of people for a new movie, he'll definitely have to talk much more. They can't pull that mute thing because it's cute, like they did with Bumblebee.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I think a good place to start with the writers who do the screenplay and script is to start with Peter David's psychological complexities and read Greg Pak's self sacrificing Hulk run. Len Wein and Bill Mantlo have also told excellent empathetic Hulk tales. All without taking away from Hulk's original Frankenstein Monster and Jekyll and Hyde core.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Well, why do we assume Hulk's voice would sound all monstrous when he talks? I think Ang got it right the first time, as did Whedon here. He sounds primal when he roars, but if he's talking he would just sound like a gruff guy, not, for lack of a better term, mentally disabled.

Agree totally with this. I liked that they used ruffalo's voice. I do think they shouldve raised the volume a bit so you could hear what he said over all the laughing.

Or maybe subtitles just for that one line. Hmm

 

[ArtTeacher]

Just want to complement everyone on their tact and willingness to consider other peoples opinions. Trust me, its not always like this. Spend some time on a Batman/Nolan board to see what I mean.

Thanks, man! It's funny how people stereotype Hulk fans to be like the Hulk. But they're some of the most civil I've come across. Granted, there are always the vocal minority that tend to ruin it for the masses, but by and large, Hulk fans seem more the "Just want to be left alone" type instead of the agressively go out and smash type.

I watched it in Singapore and the audience reacted very positively to Ruffalo right from his first 'what does Fury want me to do, swallow it?' joke. It's slightly amusing for me to see how people can attribute a performance to '70% writing' but in any case, we mustn't forget that Ruffalo, other than RDJ, spent the most time with Whedon in pre-production even before the script was written to sculpt an evolved Banner.

Ruffalo gives off a laid back vibe but he actually does have a reputation of intensely prepping for a role - very few people go through a Fincher film and actually say that his multiple-take approach was fantastic and rewarding. I did think he elevated the script with his acting in Avengers - love his delivery of lines in particular which has a distinctly different beat to other actors. He does have the advantage of having a very natural charm on screen but this doesn't mean he plays very similar roles. Just compare his roles in Zodiac, Kids Are Alright and Avengers: completely different but his onscreen presence is always impactful. I don't think it is a surprise that his performance has been singled out by critics as well.

It's great to have debate but just think it's weird that people are actively putting down either Ruffalo and Norton's performances when both actors have been very gracious to each other regarding recasting issue. I think both have brought brilliant stuff to the table and hopefully there will continue to be good writing for this this character.

Well said! I agree.

 

[marcvader]

Ruffalo gives off a laid back vibe but he actually does have a reputation of intensely prepping for a role - very few people go through a Fincher film and actually say that his multiple-take approach was fantastic and rewarding. I did think he elevated the script with his acting in Avengers - love his delivery of lines in particular which has a distinctly different beat to other actors. He does have the advantage of having a very natural charm on screen but this doesn't mean he plays very similar roles. Just compare his roles in Zodiac, Kids Are Alright and Avengers: completely different but his onscreen presence is always impactful. I don't think it is a surprise that his performance has been singled out by critics as well.

I agree 100%.

 

[Herolee10]

So now that Hulk has been (for the most part) established as a force that can be used for good, what are the next steps for the character, journey wise. They've done the accident, the military angle, the man-on-the-run...what do you guys want next?

My ideal things that I’d want to see in a Solo Hulk Sequel with Mark:

• Bruce and Betty reunite and don’t separate from each other by the end of the film like they have for the last two freaking films.

• Instead of the usual “I need to find a cure for myself” route for Bruce’s arc, I want him to be actively helping people like he was at the beginning of the Avengers; only in this case, instead of just using his own set of skills, he’s also actively using the Hulk persona to help people in physical danger.

• I want to see Banner using his smarts to help solve problems created by the antagonist, which I’m hoping to be The Leader.

• I wouldn’t mind it if the Leader’s goal was to unleash a hoard of Gamma Radiated creatures into civilization and how Banner has been tracking down several incidents where people are either being abducted or/and experimented on by the Leader and how Banner rescues them, etc.

• Have a scene where Bruce and the Hulk finally meet each other for longer than 1 minute, have it done of course in their subconscious, and further establish that the Hulk and Bruce are two separate beings like how they’ve done in EMH’s.

 

[Golgo-13]

My ideal things that I’d want to see in a Solo Hulk Sequel with Mark:

• Bruce and Betty reunite and don’t separate from each other by the end of the film like they have for the last two freaking films.

• Instead of the usual “I need to find a cure for myself” route for Bruce’s arc, I want him to be actively helping people like he was at the beginning of the Avengers; only in this case, instead of just using his own set of skills, he’s also actively using the Hulk persona to help people in physical danger.

• I want to see Banner using his smarts to help solve problems created by the antagonist, which I’m hoping to be The Leader.

• I wouldn’t mind it if the Leader’s goal was to unleash a hoard of Gamma Radiated creatures into civilization and how Banner has been tracking down several incidents where people are either being abducted or/and experimented on by the Leader and how Banner rescues them, etc.

• Have a scene where Bruce and the Hulk finally meet each other for longer than 1 minute, have it done of course in their subconscious, and further establish that the Hulk and Bruce are two separate beings like how they’ve done in EMH’s.

Cool list.

I would like.

*Hulk to reveal that he hates Banner for keeping him bottle up, etc.

*Re-cast of Betty.

*The Leader.
Speaking of which, have any of you read 'Fury's Big week? If so, do they show a pic of Sterns (in SHIELDS custody) and does he look like The Leader?

*The Gray Hulk persona emerging.

*Much more Hulk speaking.

 

[Boom]

The Hulk needs to start speaking. The Avengers took a step in the right direction by having Ruffalo motion-capture The Hulk (thus injecting some personality into the creature), but giving him some lines of dialogue would go a long way in establishing that this is, in fact, a character - as opposed to a CG spectacle.

 

[Savage]

My ideal things that I’d want to see in a Solo Hulk Sequel with Mark:

• Bruce and Betty reunite and don’t separate from each other by the end of the film like they have for the last two freaking films.

• Instead of the usual “I need to find a cure for myself” route for Bruce’s arc, I want him to be actively helping people like he was at the beginning of the Avengers; only in this case, instead of just using his own set of skills, he’s also actively using the Hulk persona to help people in physical danger.

• I want to see Banner using his smarts to help solve problems created by the antagonist, which I’m hoping to be The Leader.

• I wouldn’t mind it if the Leader’s goal was to unleash a hoard of Gamma Radiated creatures into civilization and how Banner has been tracking down several incidents where people are either being abducted or/and experimented on by the Leader and how Banner rescues them, etc.

• Have a scene where Bruce and the Hulk finally meet each other for longer than 1 minute, have it done of course in their subconscious, and further establish that the Hulk and Bruce are two separate beings like how they’ve done in EMH’s.

Cool list.

I would like.

*Hulk to reveal that he hates Banner for keeping him bottle up, etc.

*Re-cast of Betty.

*The Leader.
Speaking of which, have any of you read 'Fury's Big week? If so, do they show a pic of Sterns (in SHIELDS custody) and does he look like The Leader?

*The Gray Hulk persona emerging.

*Much more Hulk speaking.

I love all of this. Though Betty staying the same would not bother me. The Gray Hulk persona would be interesting to watch emerge. I think he's well known enough to get the big screen treatment.

 

[warcam]

I'd be willing to give Liv Tyler another chance, too. Considering how much better ScarJo was in TA than IM2 under Whedon's tutelage, the same could be said for Tyler with the right kind of director. I'd also be curious to see what kind of chemistry, if any, she and Ruffalo would have together.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Cool list.

I would like.

*Hulk to reveal that he hates Banner for keeping him bottle up, etc.

*Re-cast of Betty.

*The Leader.
Speaking of which, have any of you read 'Fury's Big week? If so, do they show a pic of Sterns (in SHIELDS custody) and does he look like The Leader?

*The Gray Hulk persona emerging.

*Much more Hulk speaking.

Sterns looked much like he did in TIH, his head was slightly enlarged but he wasn't green skinned or anything like that.

 

[Savage]

I'd be willing to give Liv Tyler another chance, too. Considering how much better ScarJo was in TA than IM2 under Whedon's tutelage, the same could be said for Tyler with the right kind of director. I'd also be curious to see what kind of chemistry, if any, she and Ruffalo would have together.

I would as well. I somehow see that really working out. Plus Lord of The Rings showed us that she can act with the right director.

 

[Eduardo]

Cool list.
Speaking of which, have any of you read 'Fury's Big week? If so, do they show a pic of Sterns (in SHIELDS custody) and does he look like The Leader?

You can see the relevant "Leader" pages in the free previews of the digital comics 7 & 8:

http://comicstore.marvel.com/Marvel...Furys-Big-Week-7-of-8/digital-comic/ICO002954

http://comicstore.marvel.com/Marvel...Furys-Big-Week-8-of-8/digital-comic/ICO002958

 

[metaphysician]

I would add to those lists, which I largely agree with:

1. No General Ross as obsessive villain. Let the guy actually accept that he was wrong, and stop hounding Banner.

 

[Boom]

Can someone explain the Gray Hulk persona to me?

 

[Smashlilman]

The Hulk needs to start speaking. The Avengers took a step in the right direction by having Ruffalo motion-capture The Hulk (thus injecting some personality into the creature), but giving him some lines of dialogue would go a long way in establishing that this is, in fact, a character - as opposed to a CG spectacle.

In the next Hulk movie they need to do some Character Development with the Hulk. It would be nice if he stayed around after the action sequences and actually interacted with people. It would be great if he actually interacted with banner in his mind. Kind of like how Naruto and Kyuubi interact in his mind.
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Can someone explain the Gray Hulk persona to me?

Gray Hulk/Joe Fixit - The Gray Hulk worked for a time as a Las Vegas enforcer called "Joe Fixit". The Gray Hulk has average intelligence, although he occasionally displays knowledge and intellectual ability normally associated with Banner. He is cunning, crafty, hedonistic, arrogant, and distant, with a hidden conscience. In most of his Las Vegas appearances, he appears only at night. According to the Leader, the Gray Hulk persona is strongest during the night of the new moon and weakest during the full moon. This aversion to sun/moon light vanished when the Gray Hulk's night-induced transformation trigger was later removed. Although he is the smallest of the Hulks, the Gray Hulk towers over the average human. He prefers to dress in tailored suits. Joe Fixit's base strength level is also the lowest of the three primary Hulk incarnations. While in a functionally calm emotional state, Joe Fixit is able to lift about 70 tons.

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[terry78]

Basically the double edged sword is that the smarter he gets, the less strong he gets.

 

[Golgo-13]

Sterns looked much like he did in TIH, his head was slightly enlarged but he wasn't green skinned or anything like that.

You can see the relevant "Leader" pages in the free previews of the digital comics 7 & 8:

http://comicstore.marvel.com/Marvel...Furys-Big-Week-7-of-8/digital-comic/ICO002954

http://comicstore.marvel.com/Marvel...Furys-Big-Week-8-of-8/digital-comic/ICO002958

Thanks guys,. Looks like his skin does have a faint tinge of green to it, especially around the area where the gamma irradiated blood entered.

 

[metaphysician]

The Grey Hulk is basically Banner's selfish, amoral side.

And its not true that Hulk incarnations always lose strength with intelligence. The Professor Hulk was one of the strongest incarnations, except for the brief "Savage Banner" period. Likewise for the, blegh, World War Hulk period. Its really just the Grey Hulk that's significantly weaker.

 

[MrGreen]

I love all of this. Though Betty staying the same would not bother me. The Gray Hulk persona would be interesting to watch emerge. I think he's well known enough to get the big screen treatment.

I like the Gray Hulk but I don't think they'll go that route. He's a difficult character to bring to the screen (and the one persona I like the least). If movie execs don't want the Green Hulk to talk then why would they let Joe talk? I know its part of his persona but Green Hulk also talks and quite a lot if you compare the comics to any live action representation.

I want a mental confrontation between Hulk and Banner or, at least, I would like to see Hulk's interpretation of his creation on the big screen, like we saw in Planet Hulk.

 

[marcvader]

I'd want to see how this Hulk model looks when having any kind of conversation before wanting to go full on Grey Hulk. One thing is to look convinceable smashing things another is the facial and mouth movements to look real from a cg model.

 

[Savage]

I like the Gray Hulk but I don't think they'll go that route. He's a difficult character to bring to the screen (and the one persona I like the least). If movie execs don't want the Green Hulk to talk then why would they let Joe talk? I know its part of his persona but Green Hulk also talks and quite a lot if you compare the comics to any live action representation.

I want a mental confrontation between Hulk and Banner or, at least, I would like to see Hulk's interpretation of his creation on the big screen, like we saw in Planet Hulk.

That's the thing. I can see them using a whole new persona for a talking Hulk. As of now Savage Hulk (at least in the movies) doesn't say much. If Savage Hulk starts talking, as much as I would love it, there would be no point to any other persona. That's the primary difference. Savage Hulk is "Hulk Smash" while Gray Hulk is the talker. I can see the concept of Hulk having full conversations being so jarring to people that they make a storyline from it leading to the Gray Hulk.

I'd like that actually. Hulk starts talking, it weirds people out, he slowly turns gray and starts leaning more towards benevolent behavior and becomes something of a threat.

 

[MrGreen]

That's the thing. I can see them using a whole new persona for a talking Hulk. As of now Savage Hulk (at least in the movies) doesn't say much. If Savage Hulk starts talking, as much as I would love it, there would be no point to any other persona. That's the primary difference. Savage Hulk is "Hulk Smash" while Gray Hulk is the talker. I can see the concept of Hulk having full conversations being so jarring to people that they make a storyline from it leading to the Gray Hulk.

I'd like that actually. Hulk starts talking, it weirds people out, he slowly turns gray and starts leaning more towards benevolent behavior and becomes something of a threat.

I like that idea but I dont want the Hulk to be a threat, I want him to be a hero and Grey Hulk was more selfish.
Is it to "out there" for the GA the whole Hulk personas? I think that is the main issue.
As for TIH 2 I would love to see Hulk vs Leader with some monsters he created out of Banner's blood.

 

[Golgo-13]

I like that idea but I dont want the Hulk to be a threat, I want him to be a hero and Grey Hulk was more selfish.
Is it to "out there" for the GA the whole Hulk personas? I think that is the main issue.
As for TIH 2 I would love to see Hulk vs Leader with some monsters he created out of Banner's blood.

That's what i'm hoping for. Brains vs Brawn. I've always liked the idea of Stern who is physically weak, trying to capture and harness and take the Hulk's physical strength to make himself the ultimate being; both brains and brawn.

They could show Sterns escaping SHIELD's custody.

 

[Savage]

I like that idea but I dont want the Hulk to be a threat, I want him to be a hero and Grey Hulk was more selfish.
Is it to "out there" for the GA the whole Hulk personas? I think that is the main issue.
As for TIH 2 I would love to see Hulk vs Leader with some monsters he created out of Banner's blood.

For now? Yes. I think Hulk and Banner need to be established as separate personas first. Like really show that these are two different people inhabiting the same body. Maybe even have them talk ala Jekyll and Hyde using mirrors in The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen (a movie that makes the success of The Avengers look even more amazing). I kinda like that more than the two of them talking in blank space.

When I say Gray Hulk is a threat I mean that Banner actually has to combat him. Whether that's in his mind or to actually extract the personalities from his person. Maybe even show that Banner and Hulk cannot survive without each other. That's a classic Leader story if there ever was one (at least one of my favorites from the animated series).