The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 10

[W/ Great Power]

I think that they even got Raimi's Spidey's themes right in the VG.
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That took me back to some good times

I still think the games of the original trilogy are the most enjoyable.

I may have to check again, but I think I can recall them getting considerably favorable reviews across the board.

 

[Spidey_62]

I don't really play video games anymore, but one I've definitely played more than any other and one of the few I still pop in every now and again is Spider-Man 2. Been a few months since I've played it but it's kinda relaxing to swing around New York with Tobey Maguire talking to blocky pedestrians, stop a few crimes, deliver some pizzas. Gotta play some of the 1st movie game again someday when I have time.

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

What's great is that the Raimi video games had used and unused ideas from the movies. (Like Black Cat and the Lizard) So, in essence, they're just a playable version of Tobey's Spider-man! I think that in some ways it SM2 did a better job than the movie by putting Tobey's Spider-man in different stories. And not mention that SM2 set the standard for ALL Spidey games.

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[Spidey_62]

Yeah, I always thought it was fun how the stories would follow the film's but also tell its own stories within a slightly stretched and video game appropriated narrative.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

For a second I thought we were in a different thread ANE and I did a MASSIVE double take

I gave it a 10/10 in 2007.

I give lots of movies 10/10's on the first watch, I fall into the hype quite easily

LOL

I'd give SM3 a 7.5/10, which imo is fair. The good far outweighs the bad, which is few and far between.

 

[OriginalMiles]

My Raimi movie ratings! t:

Spider-Man 1: 8/10
Spider-Man 2: 9.5/10
Spider-Man 3: 6.5/10

I feel like people are too harsh on SM3 at times, because I think there's actually quite a lot done right.

 

[The Joker]

There is a lot done right. It's just the bad stuff does stand out a lot - the dancing, Uncle Ben retcon, MJ being selfish etc that the good stuff gets overlooked.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Writer's Amnesia,MJ breaking with Peter for no reason,Venom being completely messed up, The late "The Glider was from your father",Bryce playing someone called Gwen Stacy that besides the headband isn't nothing like her character, Eddie Brock asking for god to kill Peter in a CHURCH and probably more.

SM3 needs a total rewrite lol,Raimi definitely dropped the ball but I can find it enjoyable now.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

The good things of course.

The Red suit,Symbiote consuming Peter,Harry Osborn,Taking the black suit suit off and birth of Venom,Sandman look and character, Harry's Death,Theme of Forgiveness.

Those are on top of my mind right now.

 

[The Joker]

Writer's Amnesia

If you mean Harry's amnesia there was nothing wrong with that at all. In fact that comes from the comic books.

MJ breaking with Peter for no reason

That goes under the heading of MJ's selfishness.

Venom being completely messed up

That was the best version of Venom ever. The comic book Venom had the stupidest of reasons for hating Spider-Man. The movie actually improved Venom over the comic book version. In the comics Eddie Brock hates Spider-Man because Eddie published a news story about Sin Eater's identity that turned out to be false when Spidey caught the real Sin Eater. He got fired and his life went to crap, and he blames Spidey for that. All Spidey did was catch a serial killer. He didn't even know Eddie from Adam. They never met. Spidey was not an obstacle to Eddie writing a good honest news story.

In SM-3 Raimi made an actual connection between Peter and Eddie, and he gave him real reasons to hate him. Peter exposed Eddie's fraud, roughed him up and humiliated him, and dated the girl Eddie was infatuated with.

The late "The Glider was from your father"

Yeah that was awful.

Bryce playing someone called Gwen Stacy that besides the headband isn't nothing like her character

In what way wasn't her character like Gwen Stacy? College student majoring in Science, sweet, kind, friendly, very pretty, daughter of Captain Stacy. Where was she so off from Gwen?

Eddie Brock asking for god to kill Peter in a CHURCH and probably more.

What was wrong with that? There's evil religious fanatics all over the world that kill because they claim God told them to. Or pray to God to kill. Or kill as sacrifices to God. Sickos like that are very real.

SM3 needs a total rewrite lol,Raimi definitely dropped the ball but I can find it enjoyable now.

It doesn't need a rewrite. It just needs a director's cut. Sony dropped the ball by giving Raimi no creative control.

 

[spiderman2]

Sony has droped thee ball given no creative control in the last 3 spider man movies now though. I didn't like the aminsa thing with harry has it was like half the movie that he didn't remember. We havnt had a bad spider man movie though has far has I am consured.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Writer's Amnesia,

TBF, this happened in the comics too.

Venom being completely messed up,

Film version was an improvement

Bryce playing someone called Gwen Stacy that besides the headband isn't nothing like her character

I saw similarities in her from the comics too

Eddie Brock asking for god to kill Peter in a CHURCH and probably more.

I don't see what's wrong with this?????? Eddie was obviously mentally unhinged and never thought clearly. Yes, a rational person wouldn't do this, but a rational person EBJ wasn't.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

But yeah, the "yer fatherrrrr was killed by his own hannndddd" sucks, as does the retcon (despite the fact that it does indeed work within the story, so I can overlook it), Gwen was a waste of space, etc so forth. I know it's been said and will happen the day I get the powers of a giant green rage monster, but we really need a freakin 3.1

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I didn't meant Venom but Eddie.

Even being more Raimi's Eddie than 616 or whatever else,this character had more reasons to go all black and i agree but Venom didn't felt at least for threatening as he should.

"Hey I'm Venom"

*dies*

If he was going to be back then I would forgive him playing such minor role in the story.

If Gwen is considered faithful in some way then MJ is straight from the comics which she isn't.

Eddie didn't had any mental problems, he was punished because of his mistakes and because of that he asks a forgiving figure to kill someone? Sorry but no.

It was lame that Raimi had little creativity control,but that doesn't make a movie ready to fail in most areas.

He was given one job like mostly people are given from their boss,and he failed to deliver,it's his fault for not accomplishing what they wanted, he wrote the dance scenes, Lame MJ,rushed Venom.Not Sony or Arad.

Even with "3.1" those problems are still going to exist unless he changes his mind and cut those scenes.

I don't mind the retcon,like ANE said it worked with the story so that didn't made the movie bad like most people like to say.

 

[spiderman2]

I didn't meant Venom but Eddie.

Even being more Raimi's Eddie than 616 or whatever else,this character had more reasons to go all black and i agree but Venom didn't felt at least for threatening as he should.

"Hey I'm Venom"

*dies*

If he was going to be back then I would forgive him playing such minor role in the story.

If Gwen is considered faithful in some way then MJ is straight from the comics which she isn't.

Eddie didn't had any mental problems, he was punished because of his mistakes and because of that he asks a forgiving figure to kill someone? Sorry but no.

It was lame that Raimi had little creativity control,but that doesn't make a movie ready to fail in most areas.

He was given one job like mostly people are given from their boss,and he failed to deliver,it's his fault for not accomplishing what they wanted, he wrote the dance scenes, Lame MJ,rushed Venom.Not Sony or Arad.

Even with "3.1" those problems are still going to exist unless he changes his mind and cut those scenes.

I don't mind the retcon,like ANE said it worked with the story so that didn't made the movie bad like most people like to say.

I just don't no why they didn't give rami creative control. The first 2 movies they gave him creative control and look how good they turned out. After that why wouldn't you trust rami with sm 3?

 

[Andrew Lucas]

It's not that they didn't trusted him.

But they wanted Venom on the movie,that was the requirement.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I didn't meant Venom but Eddie.

Even being more Raimi's Eddie than 616 or whatever else,this character had more reasons to go all black and i agree but Venom didn't felt at least for threatening as he should.

"Hey I'm Venom"

*dies*

If he was going to be back then I would forgive him playing such minor role in the story.

If Gwen is considered faithful in some way then MJ is straight from the comics which she isn't.

Eddie didn't had any mental problems, he was punished because of his mistakes and because of that he asks a forgiving figure to kill someone? Sorry but no.

It was lame that Raimi had little creativity control,but that doesn't make a movie ready to fail in most areas.

He was given one job like mostly people are given from their boss,and he failed to deliver,it's his fault for not accomplishing what they wanted, he wrote the dance scenes, Lame MJ,rushed Venom.Not Sony or Arad.

Even with "3.1" those problems are still going to exist unless he changes his mind and cut those scenes.

I don't mind the retcon,like ANE said it worked with the story so that didn't made the movie bad like most people like to say.

That was actually a GOOD idea. Eddie was supposed to be a mirror Peter: his opposite. What did Uncle Ben say? With great power comes great RESPONSIBILITY. What seperated Eddie and Peter was morality and the fact Eddie blamed everyone else for his problems, while Peter owned up to his own. Eddie doesn't take RESPONSIBILITY! See how that relates to the story? This is why Peter is Spider-Man, and Eddie is Venom in SM3. It makes perfect sense, and isn't a flaw in the story. I can name things like the rushed team-up scene and the crappy Butler angle with flaws for SM3 (of which it has many), but Eddie's motivations as a villain were interesting. Sure, he could have used more screentime, but the idea had merit given Eddie was supposed to be a mirror Peter.

I think SM3 is a good movie. Flawed, but good.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I think Spider-Man 3 could have been a fantastic movie if they had taken Sandman completely out of the picture and gave the extra screen time to Brock. Also, focus more on the Harry/Peter/MJ relationship.

I also wish they had kept the original Goblin costume used in SM1 for Harry and added a little style to it.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

That was actually a GOOD idea. Eddie was supposed to be a mirror Peter: his opposite. What did Uncle Ben say? With great power comes great RESPONSIBILITY. What seperated Eddie and Peter was morality and the fact Eddie blamed everyone else for his problems, while Peter owned up to his own. Eddie doesn't take RESPONSIBILITY! See how that relates to the story? This is why Peter is Spider-Man, and Eddie is Venom in SM3. It makes perfect sense, and isn't a flaw in the story. I can name things like the rushed team-up scene and the crappy Butler angle with flaws for SM3 (of which it has many), but Eddie's motivations as a villain were interesting. Sure, he could have used more screentime, but the idea had merit given Eddie was supposed to be a mirror Peter.

I think SM3 is a good movie. Flawed, but good.

I like the way you think that they hadn't their Uncle Ben to guide them like he did with Peter,but that applies with most villains of Spider-Man lore.The lesson about responsibility wasn't learned and resulted with bad choices.

My point is with that particular scene.Sure,Eddie had a better and acceptable motivation to want Peter Parker dead but the whole god thing felt a little out of place and no sense at all,it seems forced on the context to get Eddie there when Peter is taking out the symbiote.

Also,I think that Eddie had sufficient amount of Screentime but his villainous ego hasn't.Since we are talking about such important villain who is my favorite from Spider-Man that was VERY disappointing. Raimi didn't made justice to the character like he did with Norman and Ock IMO.

But yeah,SM3 isn't crap,it's not a very good movie either.

A good flick if not taken too serious.

 

[Leenie]

The best opening credits to any comic book movie EVER.

Beautiful.

 

[W/ Great Power]

I don't really play video games anymore, but one I've definitely played more than any other and one of the few I still pop in every now and again is Spider-Man 2. Been a few months since I've played it but it's kinda relaxing to swing around New York with Tobey Maguire talking to blocky pedestrians, stop a few crimes, deliver some pizzas. Gotta play some of the 1st movie game again someday when I have time.

Same here! It's been a while for me too, but I remember spending time on side missions and web-slinging, more so than anything else.

Additionally, I've been wanting to get Spider-Man: Web of Shadows for quite some time now. Just haven't gotten around to it yet.

What's great is that the Raimi video games had used and unused ideas from the movies. (Like Black Cat and the Lizard) So, in essence, they're just a playable version of Tobey's Spider-man! I think that in some ways it SM2 did a better job than the movie by putting Tobey's Spider-man in different stories. And not mention that SM2 set the standard for ALL Spidey games.

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Agreed.

And yes, as I said, I still believe it's the best Spider-Man game to have ever been released.

Those clips took me back, and now I want to play

Check out this trailer. I had to dig it up but I still remember being incredibly hyped for this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_qNg4YTLUA

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I would not recommend WoS.

 

[spiderman2]

I would not recommend WoS.

I think wos had great combat but the rest of the game wasn't so good.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Besides the web slinging, it's pretty "Meh".

 

[The Joker]

That was actually a GOOD idea. Eddie was supposed to be a mirror Peter: his opposite. What did Uncle Ben say? With great power comes great RESPONSIBILITY. What seperated Eddie and Peter was morality and the fact Eddie blamed everyone else for his problems, while Peter owned up to his own. Eddie doesn't take RESPONSIBILITY! See how that relates to the story? This is why Peter is Spider-Man, and Eddie is Venom in SM3. It makes perfect sense, and isn't a flaw in the story. I can name things like the rushed team-up scene and the crappy Butler angle with flaws for SM3 (of which it has many), but Eddie's motivations as a villain were interesting. Sure, he could have used more screentime, but the idea had merit given Eddie was supposed to be a mirror Peter.

I think SM3 is a good movie. Flawed, but good.