The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - - Part 11

[A Necessary Evil]

http://milkthefranchise.com/stan-lee/


There was also info in the Making of book for SM1 about it and the special features, I believe.

 

[Nardz937]

http://milkthefranchise.com/stan-lee/


There was also info in the Making of book for SM1 about it and the special features, I believe.

I'm pretty sure I own this. May have to take another look through it.

 

[LizardMan07]

Either.

Pretty much anytime there's an anonymous action commited against you;

ie;

Somebody robs you --> They come in in the thick of the night, break in, you've never met them, heck, you never see their face, but they've taken something precious, and you want retribution.

Somebody kills somebody close to you --> You don't know them, at all, what you do know is they took the life of somebody you love, and in essence, they'd be somebody you'd want revenge against.

Even going Quasi-Philosophical here, for the schizophrenic, Bipolar, etc, the parts of themselves that aren't themselves but torment them can be considered almost as a manifestation of an enemy they don't know.

It doesn't really give Venom an excuse to have a poor motivation, Raimi did it better, even though I believe its possible to hate someone you don't know, I can't see how it makes much sense in a narrative.

Considering the flaws with the character, the clear studio push for Venom and Raimi's personal dislike for the character, he definetely did a superb job in actually capturing a realistic depiction of Venom's charcter, props to him for that.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I'm pretty sure I own this. May have to take another look through it.

Don't quote me, because it's been a while since i've gone through it. But those books were the shiznat, they had just about everything you could want from a making of book.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Pretty much anytime there's an anonymous action commited against you;

ie;

Somebody robs you --> They come in in the thick of the night, break in, you've never met them, heck, you never see their face, but they've taken something precious, and you want retribution.

Somebody kills somebody close to you --> You don't know them, at all, what you do know is they took the life of somebody you love, and in essence, they'd be somebody you'd want revenge against.

That's not the same as a superhero catching a serial killer though....

 

[Lantern Venom]

Even going Quasi-Philosophical here, for the schizophrenic, Bipolar, etc, the parts of themselves that aren't themselves but torment them can be considered almost as a manifestation of an enemy they don't know.

I've always gravitated toward characters with abnormal psychology, especially before their entrance in the super-powered world. It's usually quite interesting to see the character journey from a normally functioning mind to the super-powered persona.

I really enjoyed "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock", even though it was a story that was low on action. It made sense that the separation from the symbiote led to schizophrenia for Eddie. Seeing Eddie's moral fiber at war with a visual & auditory hallucination was very compelling.

 

[The Joker]

Pretty much anytime there's an anonymous action commited against you;

ie;

Somebody robs you --> They come in in the thick of the night, break in, you've never met them, heck, you never see their face, but they've taken something precious, and you want retribution.

Somebody kills somebody close to you --> You don't know them, at all, what you do know is they took the life of somebody you love, and in essence, they'd be somebody you'd want revenge against.

These are acts of someone purposely doing something to hurt you. Robbing or killing someone is valid reasoning to hate someone and want revenge.

Even if they were not committed against the person who wants revenge, the actual acts of theft and murder are bad. You could see how anyone could view that very negatively. Unlike what Spider-Man did which was catch a notorious serial killer. That has nothing but positive connotations.

It doesn't really give Venom an excuse to have a poor motivation, Raimi did it better, even though I believe its possible to hate someone you don't know, I can't see how it makes much sense in a narrative.

Considering the flaws with the character, the clear studio push for Venom and Raimi's personal dislike for the character, he definetely did a superb job in actually capturing a realistic depiction of Venom's charcter, props to him for that.

Agreed

 

[Lantern Venom]

Here's a decent list of Spidey movie villains that understands the dichotomy between the brilliance of Raimi's Goblin/Ock and the unadulterated crap that was Blowphervenom.

http://za.ign.com/entertainment/74318/feature/ranking-the-spider-man-movie-villains

 

[The Joker]

Here's a decent list of Spidey movie villains that understands the dichotomy between the brilliance of Raimi's Goblin/Ock and the unadulterated crap that was Blowphervenom.

http://za.ign.com/entertainment/74318/feature/ranking-the-spider-man-movie-villains

Is posting some list supposed to validate your point, because there are plenty of other lists that don't rank him last;

http://wethenerdy.com/spider-rank-the-spider-man-movie-villains/

http://www.hollywood.com/news/movies/56963827/ranking-the-movie-villains-of-spider-man?page=all

That's not me validating these lists either, just using your own argument tactic against you.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Take the Venom hate to the SM3 vs TASM2 villains thread, guys. This is not the place to debate Venom for 15 pages.

 

[LizardMan07]

What happened to your avatar Spider-Fan?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Haven't decided what to do for next Avatar, LOL!

 

[Doc Ock]

Do you think years down the line people will look fondly on Raimi's Spidey in the same way people look at Burton's Batman or Donner's Superman? I only ask because far too often I hear people around him say negative things about the trilogy, often people around my age(23) prefer the "other" Spider-Man movies (just as they prefer the "other" Superman(MOS) or Batman(TDKT) movies).

Haven't decided what to do for next Avatar, LOL!

Go Halloween with it.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'll look fondly on them... at least the first two. The third I watched the other day and didn't hate as much as I remembered, but its still a letdown.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Do you think years down the line people will look fondly on Raimi's Spidey in the same way people look at Burton's Batman or Donner's Superman?:

Even with SM3's flaws, it's better than Burton's Batman and light years better than the old Superman films.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Even with SM3's flaws, it's better than Burton's Batman and light years better than the old Superman films.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

... no.

 

[Doc Ock]

I'll look fondly on them... at least the first two. The third I watched the other day and didn't hate as much as I remembered, but its still a letdown.

I've grown to love the third over the years, but I feel like the general audience these days are only about the "new" thing. At least the American audience, I don't know about the cooler countries .

Even with SM3's flaws, it's better than Burton's Batman and light years better than the old Superman films.

That is a...interesting opinion.

 

[Lantern Venom]

hahahahahahahahahahaha

... no.

I was referring to the Triliogy overall, just to be clear. Raimi's movies will hold up much better over time than the cheesy, dated Donner movies and the respectable-but-flawed Burton films.

 

[Young Superman]

Remember this?

 

[W/ Great Power]

^ My second favorite Spidey suit.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I own a copy of that movie adaptation, somewhere.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Do you think years down the line people will look fondly on Raimi's Spidey in the same way people look at Burton's Batman or Donner's Superman?

Yes. Probably more than Burton's, and maybe the same as Donner's. I think even Spider-Man 3 is not seen as badly as some minority haters think.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I never had it.

 

[Venom75]

I have the comic book for part 2,and need the one for the original. But again,part 3 seemed to have gotten screwed because it never recieved an official comic book.

 

[Hellion]

It's been a good few months and I got to say, I still enjoyed Spider-Man 3. I think it got too much hate and agree that the brief snippet of characterization for Eddie/Venom was way better than anything in the books.