The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - - - Part 12

[First Avenger]

Wow Tobey has barely aged.

 

[Nardz937]

It's scary to think how old Spider-Man 3 is now.

10 years next year

 

[The Joker]

Wow looking good, Spidey

 

[Spider-Aziz]

10 years next year

Oh yeah, and the 15th anniversary for the first movie.
May 4th next year will be a good time to play again and review all Spider-Man 3 games, though I'll probably skip the Nintendo DS game, controls for that one really annoy me.

 

[Leenie]

I can't believe that Spider-Man 3 is almost 9 years old. Wow.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I wonder if Andrew Garfield is going to go down as the Val Kilmer of the Spider-Man franchise?

Toby is the Keaton the original sentimental favorite, I don't know if we'll ever have a Bale type but I feel like Andrew is going to fall into that slot of guy who didn't do a terrible job but people just don't think about that much in that role?

 

[The Shape]

I thought Andrew did a great job and, in my eyes, he was much more of a stand-out in the role than Kilmer ever was as Batman.

"Terrible" is the way one could describe many of the things surrounding Andrew in his Spidey movies.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I can't believe that Spider-Man 3 is almost 9 years old. Wow.

Yeah that's pretty insane. May 12th of this year marks my 10 year anniversary of posting here. Started posting because of Spider-Man 3.

 

[The Shape]

Same.

 

[Leenie]

Yeah that's pretty insane. May 12th of this year marks my 10 year anniversary of posting here. Started posting because of Spider-Man 3.

Saaaaame! Started posting around the time the final trailer came out.

 

[Kane52630]

You guys should really check out Pawn Sacrifice, Tobey was great in it.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Just checked the trailer, looks very interesting.

 

[Young Superman]

I love the Raimiverse Spider-Man costume design.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Yep, it's awesome.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I give the first one a 9/10 rating.

SM1 has held up quite well over time. I go back and forth on whether I like SM1 or SM2 better. When I watched it again last year, I really appreciated that the final battle ended in a dark, isolated setting. That really underscored the Goblin vs Spider-man clash as a rivalry that went beyond just a hero stopping a criminal act.

I don't get why people *****ed about the siliver/black raised webbing. It added a nice dimension to the suit and seemed appropriately cinematic.

Admittedly, this is a nitpick, but the raised webbing looks like it would be minor hindrance in terms of movement. It made for some nice shots with the sun reflecting off of it, but it doesn't seem like a hero for whom flexibility is so essential would want a costume that restricted his movement even in the slightest way.

 

[Batsfan1]

That guy did another part of his spiderman 3 analysis:

An Analysis Of Spider-Man 3, Part 3: Mary-Jane Watson, Her Characterization, Character Arc and Thematic Purpose...

There’s a common thing against Mary-Jane in these that she’s awful and a bad character. That’s not really true. I’ve seen Spider-Man 3 used as an example for that. There are those that interpret them not liking a character as them being bad. Many female characters get this. I’ve come to the conclusion that women can’t have not nice emotions all the time and can’t have flaws unless they’re cute to some. Her flaws aren’t cute and don’t make her an automatic great girlfriend for Peter and his life as Spider-Man. She’s not fully accepting of the fact that her relationship with him isn’t exactly working because of the responsibilities he has. She doesn’t blame him for this, but she doesn’t like it either. It causes problems in their relationship. Which is kind of the point.

Her poor review: She’s accused of being mean and a swear word in this scene. But Peter is doing what she gets angry at him for doing. Being self absorbed, only concerning himself with his own situation, not taking any time to give any real thought to hers. He makes her situation about his situation and how he triumphs over it. That’s apart of Peter’s character arc in the movie: Him being arrogant and self-centered. She’s in a temperamental place at this point, because her issues with her father are being brought to the surface, so she doesn’t react to this with much patience. They don’t get a chance to have a real conversation about it because he has to go and she doesn’t berate him for it. She just doesn’t say anything, because she wants to have a conversation with her boyfriend, but her boyfriend has a job and he can’t put her ahead of his job to do that.

Her insecurities: This puts Mary-Jane in a bit of an insecure place. No girlfriend wants a boyfriend that’s consumed by his job and doesn’t have time for her, but she can’t tell him that because he has responsibilities that are more important than her problems. She can’t express herself to him because he’s in such a good place and has bigger responsibilities than her and she feels bad because she isn’t and she does want someone to be able to talk to. This is where the counterpoint of her and Peter’s character arcs are: Her insecurity and his arrogance. This leads her to be able to talk to Harry, who is a clean slate for her at the moment. Mary-Jane does get jealous at seeing Peter being adored by the public while she is being rejected from her dream job. It’s a thing that happens with couples when one is more successful than another. It can make you feel like lesser than your mate. People don’t wanna feel like they aren’t good enough like that, especially someone who has already had that feeling for most of their life.

Mary-Jane’s anger: Regardless of this Mary-Jane is supportive of Peter’s accomplishments. She doesn’t want to bring him down. Then Peter cheats on her, which makes her feel even worse about herself. I’ve heard some say that Peter was acting and that he doesn’t get onto her about kissing other guys when she’s acting, so why should she? But Peter isn’t an actor and Gwen isn’t an actress and Gwen wasn’t acting. She was kissing a superhero, along with doing so Peter did this while in the same position as he and MJ were with their kiss. I’ve seen again an argument against her saying that if it was their kiss then why she’d kiss John in a similar way in Spider-Man 2? But she didn’t know it was their kiss at the time because she wasn’t really knowledgeable about Peter being Spider-Man, so she couldn’t view it as anything special between her and Peter. But she doesn’t say anything against him about it and gives him the crap he deserves about it only when she discovers that not only does he have a personal relationship with the girl he cheated on her with that he never told her about, but that she also clearly has a crush on him and one that he obviously knew of himself. He had it coming. So they go on a break, but she goes to him regardless when she’s learns of his Uncle’s killer, and she does the one thing he couldn’t for her: She understands how he feels. And she has got him down to a tee. She knows exactly what he’s out to do: Go out and get himself some reckless stupid selfish vengeance. He blows her off, and she leaves because she can't coddle someone who doesn’t want nor will accept help.

The Harry/Mary-Jane kiss: I’d go against Harry with the kiss before I’d go against MJ. Her and Peter are half-dead in the water and she’s in a messy place emotionally, while he’s not and is in best bud mode with Pete. But I don’t think it’s worth the time. Same with Pete gettin’ hot and heavy in the rain with his supposedly best bud’s girl in Spider-Man 1. All parties involved are to blame. I can’t hate one without hating all. Same goes for Peter trying to break up an engagement after he’s missed his shot in Spider-Man 2. MJ tells him she’s in a relationship, one that’s becoming more than companionship, she gives him a clear opening, and he doesn’t go for it, so she gives him a message that’s even clearer: She’s not waiting anymore, she’s gonna move on. Peter didn’t need to send her signals either after that, but he did. He point blank asked her out, an engaged woman, and she shut him down. The whole situation was unfortunate for everyone involved to be honest. But it’s something that happens all the time, and something that’s not really my place to judge her or Peter on. No matter what though, none of the things that have been listed against her come even close to Peter and Harry’s worst offenses: Actively making choices that they know will hurt or get someone killed in one way or another. Choices that THEY make, no one else. But Mary-Jane gets trashed for her lesser actions, but the male characters don’t really.

Mary-Jane’s character arc: She really does have an interesting arc in this movie that kind of parallels Peter’s from Spider-Man 2. There Peter had to deal with the decision he made at the end of the last movie of being Spider-Man and dismissing anything else in his life. Mary-Jane here has to deal with her decision at the end of Spider-Man 2 of being Spider-Man’s girlfriend and how that effects her as a person. The movie doesn’t really sugarcoat it either. It’s not fun. We see her face her desire to have him when she can’t, his contact with other women, her insecurity at this and how successful he is and even with his life being threatened. She goes through a lot. She would’ve had a more interesting conclusion to her character arc, if there hadn’t been any change at the end of the movie. Originally, Eddie was going to kidnap Gwen and Peter would have gone to Harry for help and Harry would have rejected him. But Mary-Jane would have come and convinced him to help with that speech about forgiveness that was in the trailers, making her the mouthpiece for one of the main themes of the movie. But that got changed. Not to say that getting kidnapped is a bad thing for the character. It doesn’t hurt her as a person and isn’t her fault. She’s not superpowered. She's a regular person. That’s what makes a developed character. But the kidnapping in this case had a bit of a stunting effect on the character in the movie.

God bless you all! God bless everyone!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I love it when I see a view less demeaning of MJ in Spider-Man 3.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I love it when I see a view less demeaning of MJ in Spider-Man 3.

Mary Jane wasn't a bad person, just intentionally written as immature. That doesn't mean she was a poorly developed character because viewers were introduced to her as being the product of a volatile home. It's quite logical that she struggled with relationships because she had at least one poor role model. Had the Raimi series been allowed to conclude, it stands to reason that we would have seen MJ not only reconcile with Peter beyond SM3's tacked-on, rushed ending, but we would have also seen them become a functional, mature couple. SM4 probably would have included the wedding, which might well have been magnificent.

 

[Leenie]

Unpopular opinion, but I found MJ to easily be the most sympathetic character in Spider-Man 3 ...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Mary Jane wasn't a bad person, just intentionally written as immature. That doesn't mean she was a poorly developed character because viewers were introduced to her as being the product of a volatile home. It's quite logical that she struggled with relationships because she had at least one poor role model. Had the Raimi series been allowed to conclude, it stands to reason that we would have seen MJ not only reconcile with Peter beyond SM3's tacked-on, rushed ending, but we would have also seen them become a functional, mature couple. SM4 probably would have included the wedding, which might well have been magnificent.

This post is good.

Unpopular opinion, but I found MJ to easily be the most sympathetic character in Spider-Man 3 ...

*Cyber hug*
Thank you.

 

[Nardz937]

[YT]watch?v=gi9ZTzDUZ1Y[/YT]

 

[Elevator Man]

^ A lovely track that made compelling use of Aunt May's theme aided with acoustic guitars, which gave the cue a very sanguine, pastoral and tender feel. A shame Raimi replaced it with "Alone" from S-M1's score instead.

 

[ernesth100]

The fight scenes in the Raimi films were just fantastic. How the hell do they even choreograph these things? There 50% cgi and just amazing.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

The fight scenes in the Raimi films were just fantastic. How the hell do they even choreograph these things? There 50% cgi and just amazing.

Not just the fight scenes, but action scenes in general. Spider-Man 3 in particular.

 

[Slade W]

Personally, I had no problem at all with MJ in Raimi's films. In regards to the best action scenes, that is tough as there were a lot of good ones. The fight at the end of SM3 stands out to me though, not necessarily because it was the best of the trilogy, but rather because it was the only good thing about that film IMO.