The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 3

[Godzilla2014]

Sam Raimi signed up for only three. Then after three, he was wanting to do four and five and then just four...I don't know how many he signed for after S-M 3.

Nolan actually had only signed for two films and then signed up to do a third. That just speaks "awesome", imo.

Thanks!

*sigh* I give up. I find it odd how some people fail to see how much of a negative impact Arad had on S-M3 (even though as a whole, I think the film is awesome). Raimi's idea of having Sandman be Uncle Ben's killer would have ramined, but let's be honest here, the lesson was still the same for Peter. Vulture would have made a different impact and it's obvious the story would have been different.

And even if the majority don't love S-M3, that shouldn't erase what people thought of the first 2. If it did, then that's just bandwagoning.

Regardless, it was Sam Raimi who agreed to use Venom. If any villain didn't belong, it was Sandman. He just came off as redundant and boring.

 

[Anno_Domini]

*sigh* I give up. I find it odd how some people fail to see how much of a negative impact Arad had on S-M3 (even though as a whole, I think the film is awesome). Raimi's idea of having Sandman be Uncle Ben's killer would have ramined, but let's be honest here, the lesson was still the same for Peter. Vulture would have made a different impact and it's obvious the story would have been different.

I'm not denying the fact that without Arad's involvement, Raimi's vision wouldn't have been awesome, but there are fans, such as myself, that would've still hated the Sandman retcon. I, myself, don't believe the lesson was still there after the retcon and it created one of the worst endings ever: Peter letting a villain go. It doesn't matter how much people "failed to realize" what S-M 3 could've been. There is a S-M 3 that's out and it's terrible, imo. That's fact(not that it's truly terrible, so don't start whining; just what kind of S-M 3 we have, so it's no way to just say "people should realize what it could've been").

Plain and simple, Sam Raimi isn't the "man" after the third film because he chose to do some awful things with the film as well; it was he who butchered Sandman AND Harry Osborn in the third flick.

But I digress....and looking forward to Raimi's Oz prequel.

And even if the majority don't love S-M3, that shouldn't erase what people thought of the first 2. If it did, then that's just bandwagoning.

And I have to agree with you on that.

But, come on now....why would you say the majority loves S-M 3? Imo, I'd give it a split 50/50 on the love/hate ratio.

 

[SpideyVille]

How many Spider-Man films did Sam Raimi want to make? Wasn't Spider-Man 3 going to be his last prior to its release?

Sony originally planned on 6 movies when they got the film rights, and everyone was initially signed on for 3, which is why SM ended with a vague sense of closure, since it was uncertain as to whether or not the cast would return. But as SMH12 stated, Raimi and co. signed on for a fourth one, with talks of 4 and 5 shooting together to better accommodate Tobey so that his age wouldn't be as much of a factor. But things were being put on hold after word about numerous re-writes to the script, which eventually pushed the film's release date to be pushed back to the point where Sony ended up deciding to reboot it, possibly with a new trilogy which would fill that quota of 6 total Spidey films.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I've learned from recent experiences that nothing is safe in terms of being good, regardless of whatever criticisms or praises are being said about past projects.

For me, Spider-Man 3 looked like it was going to be the best, most compelling film of the series. Yet it had flaws that brought it down a lot to the point where it ended up being rebooted, despite the fact that there were 2 very successful films in the series.

Same thing for Smallville. Season 10 looked like it would be the best, but it was very underwhelming, especially since it failed to deliver in the moment that people had waited 10 years for. I even thought the finale would be awesome despite the fact that the episodes preceding it were very lackluster.

I look at TDKR the same way. It could be good, but it can also be bad, and I think sometimes people get so hyped and excited about it that they fail to see the possibility that it could also be bad, or at least not as good as the previous films. When I first saw SM3, I thought it was the best, mostly because I wanted to believe it was the best of the 3. But after some time, I started to see it for what it was, which was somewhat of a mess.

I like the Nolan films and am looking forward to TDKR, but much like I learned with Spidey and Smallville, sometimes being too hyped for something ends up hurting you when you finally see it because there's that possibility of the film not meeting your expectations.

Completely agreed. When I saw the trailers for SM3, I was thinking, "This film really looks like it could top Spider-Man 2!" Then I saw the film, and I was disappointed with it.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Sony originally planned on 6 movies when they got the film rights, and everyone was initially signed on for 3, which is why SM ended with a vague sense of closure, since it was uncertain as to whether or not the cast would return. But as SMH12 stated, Raimi and co. signed on for a fourth one, with talks of 4 and 5 shooting together to better accommodate Tobey so that his age wouldn't be as much of a factor. But things were being put on hold after word about numerous re-writes to the script, which eventually pushed the film's release date to be pushed back to the point where Sony ended up deciding to reboot it, possibly with a new trilogy which would fill that quota of 6 total Spidey films.

It would have been awesome if we had gotten 4, 5, and 6.

 

[SpideyVille]

Regardless, it was Sam Raimi who agreed to use Venom. If any villain didn't belong, it was Sandman. He just came off as redundant and boring.

I agree that I didn't find Sandman as interesting as Ock or the Green Goblin, but as far as agreeing to add Venom in, it was more of a move to please the studio as opposed to halting production to take some time to re-work the entire film. If I recall correctly, I remember Dunst say that the script was changed and was being re-written at some points, and how the ending changed from Gwen being kidnapped to MJ taking her place.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Completely agreed. When I saw the trailers for SM3, I was thinking, "This film really looks like it could top Spider-Man 2!" Then I saw the film, and I was disappointed with it.

I was eagerly excited to see the symbiote story and then Venom....but soon after watching the teaser, I found out that Arad pushed that storyline into the film and I had doubts, but was hoping Sam Raimi would be the bigger man and make an epic film despite what was forced unto the film.

 

[SpideyVille]

It would have been awesome if we had gotten 4, 5, and 6.

Yeah, it really could've been something great. I think the only film franchises that it could've been compared to would've been the 007 films, the Star Wars Saga and possibly the Harry Potter films.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Yeah, it really could've been something great. I think the only film franchises that it could've been compared to would've been the 007 films, the Star Wars Saga and possibly the Harry Potter films.

Return of the Jedi would've owned Spider-Man 3 though

Didn't one time after the first Spidey film was released Raimi mentioned nine films?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah, it really could've been something great. I think the only film franchises that it could've been compared to would've been the 007 films, the Star Wars Saga and possibly the Harry Potter films.

Indeed.

 

[SpideyVille]

Return of the Jedi would've owned Spider-Man 3 though

Didn't one time after the first Spidey film was released Raimi mentioned nine films?

He might've, but it sounds like it might've been a way of saying that there's so many possibilities for stories that there could be as many as nine films.

I was just reading some stuff about SM3 on wikipedia, and apparently Alvin Sargent toyed with the idea of splitting the film into two separate films because it was so complex and packed, but couldn't find a good way to end the middle parts to bridge the two. That's actually an idea that I've supported from day one. Brock was already going to have a small role before Arad convinced Raimi to include Venom to please the fans, but I think that role still should've small while still setting up Venom for the fourth film.

I was also thinking about how they handled the Black Suit in Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, where Pete got the symbiote right when Chameleon arrived and started impersonating Spidey. I would've liked that for SM3 as a way of bringing Pete/Spidey down from his pedestal, while also setting up a darker storyline.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I agree that I didn't find Sandman as interesting as Ock or the Green Goblin, but as far as agreeing to add Venom in, it was more of a move to please the studio as opposed to halting production to take some time to re-work the entire film. If I recall correctly, I remember Dunst say that the script was changed and was being re-written at some points, and how the ending changed from Gwen being kidnapped to MJ taking her place.

Sandman was redundant and boring to me. He really added nothing for all the cluttering of the plot he caused.

I was eagerly excited to see the symbiote story and then Venom....but soon after watching the teaser, I found out that Arad pushed that storyline into the film and I had doubts, but was hoping Sam Raimi would be the bigger man and make an epic film despite what was forced unto the film.

Hell, I was thinking that when Raimi agreed to use the symbiote, that he would have made it work for him and in the story. After all, I don't think Brian Michael Bendis was a big Venom fan, but he succeeded in adapting him for the Ultimate books.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Happy new thread

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Thanks to the thread manager.

 

[The Joker]

After writing that Alfred Molina blog last night, I feel an overwhelming urge to watch Spider-Man 2 tonight

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Watch it, I hope you still love it

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

After writing that Alfred Molina blog last night, I feel an overwhelming urge to watch Spider-Man 2 tonight

Do it.

 

[The Joker]

I just finished watching it. It has not lost any of it's magic. Especially in the fight scenes. Still as epic as ever.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I may do the same tonight!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm not in the mood to watch it again now

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Why not, lol?

 

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

You know what would be cool? If all of us on this forum could get together in person and watch all three movies. Movies are more fun when you have someone to watch with you. We could bash each other in person, lol. What do you think? On a side note, I'm thinking about watching Spider-Man 3 again this weekend or maybe I'll wait until the next car trip. Does Spider-Man 3 look or sound any different on blu-ray than it does on dvd? I'm asking cause I have it on blu-ray, but only watched it once since I don't have a blu-ray player in my room so I also have the dvd version.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Well, I plan on getting S-M 2 sometime this weekend.

But tonight...I think I'll watch whatever my lady friend wants to watch....so, it'll probably be some **** show repeat like Glee.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I hate shows like Glee, lol.

 

[The Joker]

Well, I plan on getting S-M 2 sometime this weekend.

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