You're looking at the details of the two things
The details are what make up the bigger picture.
not the bigger picture of the butler keeping the secret of a man being a killer to a butler keeping a secret of feelings that weren't returned. It's easy to say they're the same when you keep bringing up the reasons outside of the lies such as the whole idea of the clean energy projects or the business falling apart because of them, lol.
You keep saying there's a bigger picture and you never clarify why Norman being a killer and Rachel's rejection of being with Bruce is somehow radically different since the truth of each scenario both involves people who are dead, the people being lied to about each one make bad decisions that have bad repercussions on their life.
So where is this bigger picture? The effect and the cause is the same.
Wait...so you think Bruce's money all belonged to Wayne Enterprises or what?
If Bruce Wayne is broke, then he has no company does he? Otherwise what was Wayne Enterprises running on? Love lol?
Just can't look past that what Bane did was make BRUCE broke, thus not even belonging as a board member as Daggett even said?
Tell me, Anno, who was the owner of Wayne Enterprises? Did you miss the ending of Batman Begins?
Earle: "What makes you think you can decide who's running Wayne Enterprises?"
Bruce: "The fact that I'm the owner"
Guess you missed that scene.
Wow Joker, I actually feel sorry if you find them the same.
Your patronizing sympathy is touching.
Keeping a secret that a man is a killer = keeping a secret of unwanted feelings.
Can you read? I said the RESULTS of the lies were the same.
]Not once did I ever say I AGREE with the idea, but it is what it is and sure a hell of a lot better than keeping up a lie that someone's father is a psychopath.
Was a psychopath. Norman was dead. Harry did not become obsessed with this until after he lost everything with the Octavius fusion project, and then he started to become a boozer and obsessed with finding Spider-Man.
"Your father only obsessed over his work".
You want to compare that to 8 years of denying yourself a normal life with someone else because your butler burned the letter that your dead friend wanted you to read?
Only I know the reason why Alfred believed he was protecting Bruce. Bad call on his behalf, but nothing like keeping a secret of someone who killed people while the son is trying to kill the person who was only doing the right thing in stopping said killer
Bernard: "I know you're trying to defend your father's honor"
Bernard did it for the exact same reason. He didn't want Harry to know what his father had become. Same reason why Norman's dying wish was for Peter not to tell Harry the truth about what he did either.
At least Bernard didn't allow Harry to waste 8 years of his life on it.
He had an idea that Rachel was keeping her word...the same word she "meant" at the end of Batman Begins but she still moved on and found Harvey Dent.
Because someone is dating someone else doesn't mean it's serious or that they stopped loving you. Hence why he ASKED her if she had meant what she said that when he stopped being Batman they could be together and she said yes. No different from Peter pursuing MJ when she was engaged to John Jameson. He knew she still loved him.
This was not an "idea" Bruce had. It was cold hard confirmation he got from Rachel.
Perhaps you think those fantasies can happen, but you'd be in the same boat as Bruce in not being a realist.
Will you stop with your patronizing BS. Between your "I feel sorry for you" remarks and now your "You're not being a realist like Bruce" bull, you're obviously taking this too seriously by making it personal. I know you can't stand to hear criticisms about TDKR, but making pathetic attempts to insult me isn't going to make them go away. Just get you another healthy stint on probation if you keep them up.
To Alfred's view, yes, it was the better way as Bruce was trying so desperately to find a new face for Gotham during TDK's events and it was really all for nothing as the person Bruce would have moved on with didn't want to move on with him. Letting Bruce know that the idea was just some fantasy or a dream that was never going to happen would have killed Bruce and it still did eight years later when Alfred finally told him.
Wrong on all counts. Bruce was not trying to find a new face in TDK's events just so he could be with Rachel. He saw a better hero with a face in Harvey. On who can inspire Gotham better than a masked vigilante ever could. The only reason he was going to turn himself in as Batman was because Joker was killing people in his name. He couldn't stand any more blood being shed on his behalf.
Since he was intending to end being Batman, he asked Rachel if she meant what she said about being together and she said yes. Hence why he told Alfred she was going to wait for him because she had told him she would.
Alfred not telling him the truth on the spot is understandable since Rachel had just died. But leaving it for 8 years while it caused Bruce to isolate himself from a normal life with someone else was far far FAR worse.
A killer = someone who didn't love back. It's the same thing.
Once again you choose to either stupidly or deliberately misread what I said. I said the EFFECTS of these lies were both devastating. That's why I don't see a difference since they both had very bad effects on Bruce and Harry.
Stop mis-quoting my words.
Bernard is NO way more in the right at all simply because he saw what Harry has been doing for two and a half years; Bruce didn't endanger anyone but himself at least.
Harry didn't do ANYTHING bad for the two and a half years. Nothing happened until Ock's fusion project fell through. That was 2 years after Norman died.
What a shame. I was almost getting used to you mis quoting plain English.
but I can still laugh at the fact that you still think it's the same
I wish I could say your posts even had that much entertainment value to raise a laugh. But they're just fountains of incorrect interpretations. No merits in that at all.
Still beats two and a half years of trusting a lie and trying to kill the man who was in the right as well as taking the Goblin serum
No it doesn't. Because the two and a half years were not spent festering on the lie. When we saw Harry TWO years later in Spider-Man 2, Harry headed up special projects in Oscorp and clearly still retained a healthy relationship with Peter and MJ. Compare that to the state Bruce was in at the beginning to TDKR and you'll see the difference.
It was only after Ock's fusion project went wrong and Harry lost everything that he focused on Spider-Man. Nothing he did was beyond repair. He didn't lose years of life over a truth his butler stole from him.
Of course, leaving him and telling Bruce the truth was the combo to Alfred's final attempt.
Wrong.
"Leaving is ALL I have left to make you understand you're not Batman any more"
He only told him the truth about Rachel because Bruce was the one who brought her up.
You just totally looked past the idea of Harry's face at that moment is after it healing itself.
Oh so that's even better. It would eventually be completely healed. So no real damage done at all.
Thanks Anno. I completely forgot about the Goblin healing factor
You're also looking at parts after something as happened, such as what is going on with Sandman and Venom. Beforehand, he ruined the relationship of Peter and MJ by going after Peter's "heart" without trying to kill him again.
Yeah, and Peter punched MJ in the face and humiliated her with Gwen in her Jazz club. Did that ruin his relationship with her? No.
Forgiveness was a prominent theme of Spider-Man 3.
Wayne Enterprises lost MOST of its money. To think otherwise would then beg the question, how the hell did an orphanage stop getting funding for two whole years?
"The foundation is funded by the PROFITS of Wayne Enterprises. There have to be some"
So you take one quick of the draw sentence of one film without anything that explains the money issues of another company in another film, interesting.
What are you talking about? Harry's quote explains his financial situation. When you're ruined that means....you're RUINED. When he says he has nothing left that means....he has NOTHING LEFT!
Before Bane screwed over Bruce at the stock market, name some quotes that say Bruce or Wayne Enterprises were in ruin. They were lacking profits, hence why they couldn't afford to sponsor worthy causes like the orphanage. That's all.
