The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 9

[Picard Sisko]

What I love about SM1 is that Peter always kept his mask on when he was Spider-Man. He gets part of his mask destroyed in the final battle, but for the most part, when Spider-Man is on screen, it's Spider-Man, not Peter Parker. Love that.

 

[Zantera]

It kinda bothered me in TASM when he just seemed to remove his mask all the time. (I didn't think it was necessary) So without changing focus from the Raimi movies to the Webb movie(s), I agree about Peter not taking off his mask in SM1.

 

[Picard Sisko]

This is something that sort of happened with most superheroes in that they start taking off their mask or rarely show up in costume at a certain point. Never understood that.

 

[webhead731]

As much as I liked him in the mask, I can't think of any scene where it was unnecessary for him to remove it. They all really needed to show his emotions through his face. I can't imagine him talking to Otto at the end 2 or Flint at the end of 3 with his face covered.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Taking off the mask in SM2 during the train sequence felt pretty much unnecessary.

 

[webhead731]

I think it was because of seeing how screwed up he was getting trying his hardest to stop the train and then to see his expressions at the train passengers after they rescued them.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I mean I don't think him taking off the mask was a bad thing, but I think it could have been avoided. Oh well, the scene turned out great so it didn't matter.

 

[OcStat]

Wolverine I think initially started the trend, at some point in the comics he started to leave it off his costume more often than wear it. Then the X-Men movies came along and didn't even bother with his mask, probably figuring "hey the comics gave us precedent!"

With Spider-Man, his mask has to come off on film to really get the most emotion from a scene. In the comics they can get around it by animating the mask, in impossible ways, but it's a drawing so it works.

Then there's the not-to-small issue (to Hollywood powers-that-be I guess) about covering the stars face up. But his mask usually comes off when the performance needs to convey that extra emotion.

I enjoyed the bit in Amazing Spider-Man's brisge scene where he took his mask off to give to the kid in car, that was a powerful moment. And in Spider-Man 2 his mask caught fire, I guess that is a good reason to remove your mask, but it was probably written in just so he has a reason to take it off. Still leads to an important scene though, so it isn't for nothing. He saves those people and they get to see this isn't some adult, this is a friggin' kid putting himself on the line for strangers.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Taking off the mask in SM2 during the train sequence felt pretty much unnecessary.

When a spark of flame hit his lens?

 

[Green Goblin]

It's not like Peter is famous anyway. No one will recognise him.

 

[Nemeres]

So, I watched SM2 to get myself pumped for TASM2, and I figured I’d share an observation: during the train fight, why does Ock grab people and throw them out the window for Spidey to catch… if what he wants is to fight him and knock him out so he can take him to Harry, not escape him? Lol, makes no sense.

My answer to myself: because, from what I understand, they started working on that sequence before they even had a script, and once it was established that Ock wanted to fight Spidey rather than run from him they figured that Spidey saving those 2 people with webbing was too cool to cut, so they left that in. Could also be argued that he wanted to wear him out because it became clear to him that he couldn’t take on Spidey directly. I guess. Whatever, it’s still cool.

 

[Nemeres]

Taking off the mask in SM2 during the train sequence felt pretty much unnecessary.

It leads to one of the film’s most significant moments: the passengers’ implicit promise to keep his secret in gratitude for being saved. It’s a must-have moment, it validates his efforts as a hero, which he’s spent the entire film questioning. How else could they have done that without the unmasking?

 

[The Joker]

So, I watched SM2 to get myself pumped for TASM2, and I figured I’d share an observation: during the train fight, why does Ock grab people and throw them out the window for Spidey to catch… if what he wants is to fight him and knock him out so he can take him to Harry, not escape him? Lol, makes no sense.

My answer to myself: because, from what I understand, they started working on that sequence before they even had a script, and once it was established that Ock wanted to fight Spidey rather than run from him they figured that Spidey saving those 2 people with webbing was too cool to cut, so they left that in. Could also be argued that he wanted to wear him out because it became clear to him that he couldn’t take on Spidey directly. I guess. Whatever, it’s still cool.

I assume he was trying to wear him out/throw him off balance. When he still sees Spidey coming at him after he's thrown those people he gets pissed off and moves to the front of the train and rips out the brakes.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I noticed a bit of a mistake in the SM2 train fight, and correct me if I'm wrong. When Doc Ock is throwing people for Spider-Man to catch, he is at the very end of the train. Then he turns around and suddenly is on the very opposite side where the conductor is located.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I noticed a bit of a mistake in the SM2 train fight, and correct me if I'm wrong. When Doc Ock is throwing people for Spider-Man to catch, he is at the very end of the train. Then he turns around and suddenly is on the very opposite side where the conductor is located.

Octavius moves fast with his tentacles

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yeah but he turns around, there is a cut, and then he is magically at the opposite end of the train.

 

[AnneFan]

I assume he was trying to wear him out/throw him off balance. When he still sees Spidey coming at him after he's thrown those people he gets pissed off and moves to the front of the train and rips out the brakes.

That's how I interpreted it, too. He keeps Spidey busy, exerting energy. The biggest exertion of energy was stopping the train, where Ock then proceeds to simply knock him out, without any fightback.

 

[Leenie]

I assume he was trying to wear him out/throw him off balance. When he still sees Spidey coming at him after he's thrown those people he gets pissed off and moves to the front of the train and rips out the brakes.

This.

Also, he's the bad guy. This is the kind of stuff that bad guys do either for the heck of it, or to toy with/torment the hero. Showing him throw passengers off the train shows how much of a danger he is for the hero to face. It adds suspense and weight to the fight, in my opinion.

And finally, part of the fun with reading comics or watching movies about superheroes is seeing the hero fight the baddies and seeing the hero save people. The train fight was pretty much the embodiment of that. Classic superhero stuff/comic booky-ness.

 

[Picard Sisko]

What does everyone think of the extended train fight in Spider-Man 2.1? People tell me they hate it or it was unnecessary, but I think it just added more cool stuff.

 

[Leenie]

What does everyone think of the extended train fight in Spider-Man 2.1? People tell me they hate it or it was unnecessary, but I think it just added more cool stuff.

I didn't care for the parts where Spidey gets hit by the posts, and then by the train coming from the other direction/side. One of the coolest parts of the original cut from the train fight is where Spidey JUST manages to escape from getting hit by the other train. In fact, I remember seeing it in theaters for the first time, and the audience gasped at it. In the new cut, that cool "phew!" moment is gone. Also, Spidey seemed unphased from getting hit by that other train in the 2.1 cut, which took a lot away from the fight, in my opinion.

I DID, however, enjoy the 2.1 version of bank fight with Spidey and Doc Ock on that building.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I only wish 2.1 didn't use some alternate takes, such as the elevator scene.

 

[Leenie]

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the different takes used in the elevator scene. The original stuff was so much better. I think I've only watched 2.1 twice? Anyway, overall, I prefer the theatrical version over 2.1.

There are two parts of 2.1 that I wish had been left in the original cut though: The quick extra pieces of dialogue between Peter and Harry during the surprise birthday party, and Mary Jane's talk with her friend Louise. The talk between Harry and Peter actually work as a nice link between Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man 3, and MJ's talk with Louise explained MJ's motives on why she got engaged and whatnot.

 

[DCW]

I was really into 2.1 when it originally came out but I've started to like it less and less. Don't hate it, just haven't watched it in a few years. I'm not a big fan of JJ in the spider suit.

 

[Leenie]

I think the JJJ in the Spider-Man suit is a great DVD Easter Egg kind of thing. As a clip by itself, it's hilarious. In the movie though ... Too much.

 

[Picard Sisko]

But JJ in the spider-man suit is so hilarious!