Sequels The Official Jason White Thread

[superbaby]

I agree manofsteel.

Regarding Jason, naturally, the father-son dynamic is most certainly there. As someone earlier said (in a negative way), Singer made Superman lonely. But he is the last of his kind, so why the devil wouldn't he be lonely.

Now though, he knows that he isn't alone. His legacy is important, but he is, at heart, human. He desires companionship. We are social creatures, and Jason gives Supes that social connection. Jason is part Kryptonian, part human. Thus, he becomes a sort of conduit, a way for Supes to feel more human than he ever has before.

As far as Jason's arc goes, I'd say his powers would be starting to manifest themselves during the movie, and Supes is concerned, trying to protect him from Luthor and from whoever the other villain is (my bet is on Brainiac).

And I have faith that Singer will handle him very well. Singer knows how to work with kids to make them work believably (instead of the abominable Legend of Zorro).

ya, vague connection. sure he handled it very well.

 

[buggs0268]

I want all of them killed off and the whole fiasco forgotten.

 

[El Payaso]

ya, vague connection. sure he handled it very well.

Agreed

 

[Super Kal]

I want all of them killed off and the whole fiasco forgotten.

you and me both

 

[VenomsMom]

I want all of them killed off and the whole fiasco forgotten.

A reboot would murder them all.

 

[Naite22]

I had an idea in my head... I thought it would be cool if Luthor uses Jason to hurt superman! I would NEVER wanna see that little kid go crazy on his dad aka. superman, that's not what I mean... But there could be some sort of link between Jason and Superman, which Lex takes advantage of. It would be cool if Lex used Jason against superman, and in the end Jason dies for what ever reason... It's not because I found Jason annoying, he was actually pretty sweet! He was NO Jake Lloyd from EPISODE 1!!!... But I didn't think it was smart to give superman a son, when bringing superman back to the big screen for the first time in 20 years or so!... If they can, they really should kill off Jason in the next superman pic... and than let us see superman go absolutely MAD over it, throwing punches and kicking the crap out of the super-villain(s)... you know, all of which we DIDN'T see in the first movie, and wanted too!

 

[Superman4ever]

You know i had an idea that could work..

having Supes take the kid to the fortress and having the kids powers removed so he could have a normal life, but lex knows the kid is supes..the kid is kid knapped,,supes arrives to late to save his life.. Richard and lois blame superman,, and richard goes to lex not knowing he is responsible.. he asks LEX for help to kill superman..lex makes Richard into metallo...

That's not a bad idea actually, but that's the problem with bringing in the kid in the first place. It's very cliche: bad guy kidnaps kid/kid is in danger, and daddy has to come to the rescue.

I HATE the idea of bringing in the kid. I absolutely hate it! Just off of that decision I DON'T trust Bryan Singer and his dandy little misfits with this property.

The more and more I think of and/or watch SR the more and more disappointed and frustrated I get when I think of what could--should--have been. Especially when considering the character has been MIA for 20 years, and the most effective plot tool they could use to give Superman a "challenge" was have him mope over Lois and introduce a child? Because Superman is SO unrelatable and hard to write for, right?

Whenever someone says "Superman is too hard to write for or is unrelatable". That person doesn't understand or respect the character and that person definitely shouldn't have the right, or honor, of controlling that property. I love Bryan's excuse for being so unimaginative: "we were establishing the character". He's ****ING SUPERMAN! What more needs to be said or established? The movie tries to establish Superman's "human" side, but fails horribly and by the end you find yourself not giving a crap about ANY of the characters. NOW he wants to go "Wrath of Khan on it." SR was just a showboat move for him because it is one of the most sought out franchises in movie history, he doesn't care about the character, and he thought he could just ride off Superman's name and recognition and be successful.

I'd rather have NO sequel to SR, fire that idiotic fool and his Crap Hat harry crew and just wait a few more years for someone to come reboot the franchise properly. And that does NOT mean we need an origin story.

Sorry for the rant, but it's been bugging me lately.

 

[Superman4ever]

Regarding Jason, naturally, the father-son dynamic is most certainly there. As someone earlier said (in a negative way), Singer made Superman lonely. But he is the last of his kind, so why the devil wouldn't he be lonely.

But it was executed HORRIBLY. I didn't feel sorry for Superman. I feel WAY more for Clark on Smallville then I did for Clark in SR. Way more!

I felt WAY more for Bruce Wayne in BB, then I did Clark, Superman or any other character in SR. And Superman didn't have to overcome Batman's obstacles. Same thing with Peter Parker in Spider-man. These other movies had to "establish" their characters, they just did it a WHOLE lot better, and didn't have to succumb to cheap gimmicks to do it. They were absolutely true to the characters and their history and guess what? They were BETTER movies for it.

 

[VenomsMom]

I had an idea in my head... I thought it would be cool if Luthor uses Jason to hurt superman! I would NEVER wanna see that little kid go crazy on his dad aka. superman, that's not what I mean... But there could be some sort of link between Jason and Superman, which Lex takes advantage of. It would be cool if Lex used Jason against superman, and in the end Jason dies for what ever reason... It's not because I found Jason annoying, he was actually pretty sweet! He was NO Jake Lloyd from EPISODE 1!!!... But I didn't think it was smart to give superman a son, when bringing superman back to the big screen for the first time in 20 years or so!... If they can, they really should kill off Jason in the next superman pic... and than let us see superman go absolutely MAD over it, throwing punches and kicking the crap out of the super-villain(s)... you know, all of which we DIDN'T see in the first movie, and wanted too!

Hmmmm...Lex using Jason as leverage for revenge. I see. But where do you see someone like Brainiac fitting in this? They did say they would go all Wrath of Khan on it or whatever the hell that means. Let us assume he shows up, What do you see happening with lex Supes and Superman jr.

 

[Sun_Down]

I love how the same people who complain about SR being too "depressing" want Superman to suffer huge personal tragedy in the next one by losing his only son. Yup, that'll lighten things up!

 

[superbaby]

I love how the same people who complain about SR being too "depressing" want Superman to suffer huge personal tragedy in the next one by losing his only son. Yup, that'll lighten things up!

lol. irony isn't it?

 

[wellsy]

lol. irony isn't it?

Deeeelcious! Such superb double-speak.

ya, vague connection. sure he handled it very well.

Sarcasm aside, Singer does better representing kids than other directors. And if you can't see the connection... well, do you need it emblazoned in neon lights for your convenience?

But it was executed HORRIBLY. I didn't feel sorry for Superman. I feel WAY more for Clark on Smallville then I did for Clark in SR. Way more!

I felt WAY more for Bruce Wayne in BB, then I did Clark, Superman or any other character in SR. And Superman didn't have to overcome Batman's obstacles. Same thing with Peter Parker in Spider-man. These other movies had to "establish" their characters, they just did it a WHOLE lot better, and didn't have to succumb to cheap gimmicks to do it. They were absolutely true to the characters and their history and guess what? They were BETTER movies for it.

Ummm... if I recall correctly, Bruce was never trained by Ras Al Ghul in the comics. And Smallville is, as far as I'm concerned, cheap entertainment (you can tell I don't watch much TV). Thus, you're arguments that they were better because they were truer to the source material is a wee bit leaky.

However, I can understand if you weren't crash hot on the execution. Then again, killing Jason and letting Supes go bonkers, if badly executed, will just reduce this even further. And it could very easily be badly executed.

Not to mention the effect that it would have on the franchise - it would be overshadowed by Jason far too much if he were to die. For that reason alone, killing him should be out of the question.

Ironic, isn't it? In killing Jason, you actually enhance his influence on the franchise, not diminish it. Let him live, and personally, I'd be happy to give Singer a shot to develop Jason further.

 

[Dark Knight]

I love how the same people who complain about SR being too "depressing" want Superman to suffer huge personal tragedy in the next one by losing his only son. Yup, that'll lighten things up!

Who are all these "people" saying SR was depressing??

 

[Naite22]

I love how the same people who complain about SR being too "depressing" want Superman to suffer huge personal tragedy in the next one by losing his only son. Yup, that'll lighten things up!

Killing of Superman's son/Jason isn't depressing... I prefer to look at it as them setting things right!.... Superman should've never had a son in SR.

 

[Naite22]

Hmmmm...Lex using Jason as leverage for revenge. I see. But where do you see someone like Brainiac fitting in this? They did say they would go all Wrath of Khan on it or whatever the hell that means. Let us assume he shows up, What do you see happening with lex Supes and Superman jr.

lol... At this point I honnestly dont know... whatever they're going for, I beg of them to make it GOOD!

 

[El Payaso]

Who are all these "people" saying SR was depressing??

Deppressive people.

 

[BareKnucklez]

[YT][/YT]

Deppressive people.

It was more sucky then depressing... But to each their own.

 

[Pickle-El]

They could easily kill off Jason....They killed that one kid in Harry Potter and the Goblet Of Fire, and there was no uproar from parents everywhere...

 

[El Payaso]

It was more sucky then depressing... But to each their own.

Sucky people?... please Bare...

 

[Showtime]

The push and pull, the give and take, it continues.

 

[El Payaso]

The push and pull, the give and take, it continues.

A nice tagline for SUPERMAN: MAN OF STEEL.

 

[Sun_Down]

Who are all these "people" saying SR was depressing??

You obviously haven't spent much time in this forum. Wait until you hear people complain about New Krypton being, and I quote, "porkchop shaped".

 

[superbaby]

Killing of Superman's son/Jason isn't depressing... I prefer to look at it as them setting things right!.... Superman should've never had a son in SR.

how killing a kid wouldn't be depressing?
well, to singer and his worshippers, the kid is a right and good setting.

 

[Crook]

They could easily kill off Jason....They killed that one kid in Harry Potter and the Goblet Of Fire, and there was no uproar from parents everywhere...

While I would have no problem with Jason being killed off, your comparison isn't really valid. That "kid" was damn near 20, or at least looked like it.

Jason is clearly a boy, a puppy-faced one at that. I'm sure he'll get a much louder reaction if a death were to be in his future.

 

[manofsteel4life]

While I would have no problem with Jason being killed off, your comparison isn't really valid. That "kid" was damn near 20, or at least looked like it.

Jason is clearly a boy, a puppy-faced one at that. I'm sure he'll get a much louder reaction if a death were to be in his future.

why cant they see that?