The Dark Knight Rises The Official Jim Gordon / Gary Oldman Thread

[GregComicFan]

I don't mind deviating from comic-lore and letting Gordon find out Bruce Wayne is Batman at the end of Nolan's trilogy. If you remember, according to Nolan's Bat-universe, Gordon was working and comforted young Bruce the night his parents were murdered. I think it's fitting for Bruce/Gordon to end Nolan's trilogy with Bruce revealing to Gordon that he's been Batman all along.

If that doesn't occur.. then I think what's most important is Batman at least NOT acting like Batman in front of Gordon for at least a moment. In Batman Begins and TDK, Batman still acts like Batman (non-talkative, gruff, cold, distant, always disappearing, like a demon, etc.) around Gordon. It would be good for the movie to end with Batman breaking down that impersonal barrier and just speaking to Gordon like a human being... kinda like the scene from BTAS where Batman and Gordon share coffee, but not that informal.

 

[Doctor Jones]

But I presume that when this is over, Bruce will continue being Batman, and we know Nolan likes for the audience to use our imagintions, but would those future adventures in our heads be any good with Gordon knowing Bruce is Batman for the rest of their careers?

 

[Boom]

Another Oldman interview.

http://batman-news.com/2011/03/27/gary-oldman-on-christopher-nolans-the-dark-knight-rises-secrecy/

According to Oldman, he has alot to do in this film, and quite a bit to do with Tom Hardy.

 

[COMPO]

"he brings it around" ooo I wonder what he means by that I know he means Batman returning as Gotham's hero but I don't know could there be something more to it?

 

[Boom]

-Bruce and Alfred returning to Wayne Manor / The Batcave.
-Bruce visiting his parents' graves.
-Batman being at odds with the police again (like he was in BB).
-Batman "rising" up and being considered a hero again (in the end).
-The Bat Signal returning (in the end).

Just a few examples.

Like I've been saying for weeks. "Bringing it back to Begins" can mean so many things. Doesn't necessarily point to the League of Shadows.

 

[The Joker]

Like I've been saying for weeks. "Bringing it back to Begins" can mean so many things. Doesn't necessarily point to the League of Shadows.

I really hope you're right.

 

[COMPO]

yeah I don't want it to be the League of Shadows, I'd rather it be Batman reinstating his mission and becoming the hero of Gotham.

 

[joker1524]

-Bruce and Alfred returning to Wayne Manor / The Batcave.
-Bruce visiting his parents' graves.
-Batman being at odds with the police again (like he was in BB).
-Batman "rising" up and being considered a hero again (in the end).
-The Bat Signal returning (in the end).

Just a few examples.

Like I've been saying for weeks. "Bringing it back to Begins" can mean so many things. Doesn't necessarily point to the League of Shadows.

i hope so as well...i laugh when people tell me that the league returning is must because it brings the story full circle...u would think this would be a league of shadows movie instead of a batman flick...i figure when it goes back to begins in some ways...they mean that bruce will explore himself much more and take a few steps back and in the end rise above it all and be the savior for gotham that he rightfully is

 

[GregComicFan]

I don't think TDKR can work if Bruce's parents aren't mentioned at all again like in TDK.

I'm surprised the actors who played Thomas/Martha Wayne haven't been re-casted to reprise their roles in flashbacks.

 

[Avengers-Report]

-Bruce and Alfred returning to Wayne Manor / The Batcave.
-Bruce visiting his parents' graves.
-Batman being at odds with the police again (like he was in BB).
-Batman "rising" up and being considered a hero again (in the end).
-The Bat Signal returning (in the end).

Just a few examples.

Like I've been saying for weeks. "Bringing it back to Begins" can mean so many things. Doesn't necessarily point to the League of Shadows.

I don't think Oldman thinks that much into the film. He is an actor, so he probably thinks the most about acting and other actors. When he says "bringing it back", he is probably thinking about other actors and characters that are new to the Dark Knight, in particular the new main villain. Somehow these characters are connected to the first story.

 

[Jick]

Another Oldman interview.

http://batman-news.com/2011/03/27/gary-oldman-on-christopher-nolans-the-dark-knight-rises-secrecy/

According to Oldman, he has alot to do in this film, and quite a bit to do with Tom Hardy.

"Actors are required to read the script in the office, and Nolan verbally tells them the ending. It’s not written down to avoid any leaks."

GOOD! I don't want to be caught in accidental spoilers or even being tempted by those. I want to sit in the friggin theater and watch it without knowing a thing about the end, like in TDK.

I'm really expecting something great out of the ending, too.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

But I presume that when this is over, Bruce will continue being Batman, and we know Nolan likes for the audience to use our imagintions, but would those future adventures in our heads be any good with Gordon knowing Bruce is Batman for the rest of their careers?

They would be great. We'll have the entire Batman mythos in our minds knowing that the two are stronger friends, more powerful allies, like in DK:R, they know each other well. Heck, if we go on to think about Robin and Batgirl, the fact that Wayne and Gordon are a notch above the kids will reinforce the idea that they're running the show. I'm in the 'Gordon knows' side of the debate.

I really hope you're right.

Me too

 

[Doctor Jones]

Maybe... I've always been a proponant of a smarter and capable Gordon, but the thing I lvoe between them is that Gordon doesn't need to know who Batman is to trust him. They'll have disagreements and such, but they have this respect for eachother on both sides of the law.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I think we got a taste of that between Fox and Wayne in Batman Begins, but by the time TDK started it just didn't feel right to keep him out of the loop. As a result, in Nolan's franchise we have what is essentially a pretty big deviation from the comics. But yeah.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I like the comic book reasoning of "Gordon doesn't WANT to know" (even though he probably already knows).

If anything, I'd like to see a scene like that - where Bruce attempts to reveal his identity but Gordon refuses.

It's one thing to break the rules and aid a vigilante, but knowing his true identity puts that extra moral burden on Gordon. Kind of like Fox's "unspoken truth" ( at least in Begins ) - "If I'm asked what you're doing, I don't have to lie."

 

[Doctor Jones]

I agree with that. That, and I would love to see a scene of Gordon refusing to see Batman attempting to reveal himself.

 

[Brother Jack]

If they take it there with Gordon knowing, I'd rather it be an unspoken thing for Jim only. If he happens to figure it out, in a silent bit of realization, Bruce doesn't need to know about it.

But a scene of Batman attempting to unmask himself and Gordon refusing to look would be .

 

[ModestMr.Green]

What I'd really like to see is a scene like in Hush where Batman is about to cross the line, and Gordon is there to pick up the pieces. A scene where Batman calls Gordon by the name 'Jim' would also be great, but this may have already happened.

 

[The_Raganork]

James Gordon has been the simple man behind the complicated actions of Batman.

When he decided to become an ally of Batman he set himself up for a battle along side the Dark Knight for as long as the Dark Knight continues on that path.


In TDK Gordon is shown to be almost totally trusting of Batman; in fact he is Gotham's link to Batman. Harvey Dent goes to Gordon when he wants to meet Batman.

However in the end of the film Gordon is forced to take a route he may not wholly agree with, when he sets the GPD against Batman in order to keep Harvey Dent's murderous actions a secret.

Not much yet is known about Gordon's character in TDKR but, if it's playing off of TDK Gordon will still be Commissioner and technically in charge of leading the hunt against Batman.

We also know that he sets up a special Task force with John Blake at some point.

What do you think Gordon's role in this film will be?

What do you think the roles' of Barbara and James Jr. will be as they know the truth about Harvey (as well as young Barbara)?

 

[Kynergy]

Yes, we needed this thread. I will be sure to comment later, but right now I'm at the pool.

Team Gordon FTW

 

[fire_rising]

Thanks! It's good to see Oldman's Gordon getting his own thread t:

I'm really starting to warm up to your notion of Gordon as the "unwilling participant". The fact that he is an ally of Batman while still having to accept the pursuit of the vigilante (to maintain his own position) is something that I agree will be a HUGE part of this film. Seeing as how BB and TDK ended with Batman and Gordon, how will TDKR continue this pattern?

After TDK, Batman is now at odds with both the criminal underworld and the Gotham justice system. He's now the Batman that Frank Miller envisioned: one that would punch a cop just as hard as he would a criminal if he needed to.

Gordon understands this, but he must also not encourage it. As you said, Gordon, as commissioner, is leading this hunt against Batman. So how can he be hunting Batman while still aiding him? As a commissioner, Gordon has some power to veer the hunt for Batman off course a bit. I think that, in TDKR, Gordon will attempt to use his jurisdiction as a means of protecting Batman...an irony that is oh so sweet.

I have the feeling, though, that John Blake may be a bit more persistent than Gordon...

 

[Eggyman]

I'd love there to be a scene similar to what we had in MOTP where Bats is outside the window listening to Gordon have an argument with his colleagues, although Bats being known as a cop killer could make it difficult for Gordon to defend him in any way--'I'll have no part of it.' I see it happening, though. Any meeting between the two would have to be much more discrete--another chance to witness a vanishing act.

I don't think the kids will have much to do in it. Maybe a small scene, which would only add as a reminder and a continuation of the story that they know of.

 

[BatScot]

If I had to bet I'd say Batman's survival comes down to Gordon making a choice and since Gordon knows the truth that is the side he will take.

 

[fire_rising]

Maybe Barbara and the kids will remind Gordon of what Batman stands for? Batman did save Gordon's son, of course.

Although that could potentially be a very corny scene.

 

[TheBatman072]

I bet the W stands for Willefred.