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The Official Metal Gear Thread - Part 7

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As a person who's not a huge fan of the Metal Gear series (in fact, I kinda hated it), this is actually surprising..... While at the same time, not. I remember Kojima making many attempts to quit the MG series by trying to kill Snake, claiming that Peace Walker was the "real MGS5," and making Metal Gear Solid: Rising. Yet, somehow, people wouldn't let him.
 
Maybe. But if that's the case then it's an immature business. Even movie studios and F1 teams handle internal disputes with more respect and professionalism than this.

No they don't.

Nothing lasts forever. Companies change. People move on.
 
It's probably best for kojima to leave. and it won't affect MGSV release. But I sure hope Silent Hills is not cancelled or made totally different than what kojima he wanted.

We need Silent Hills to happen, to be awesome, and to show people how great this franchise is.
 
Oh, there was no doubt that Konami was going to keep Metal Gear games after Kojima. It's pretty much the only major franchise they have for their gaming division. They kept making Silent Hills well after Team Silent disbanded and left the company. I'm pretty excited for it myself. Will they be good or bad, it's up in the air of course, but I was hoping someone new would take over MG after MGSV, although I do wish the circumstances had been different.

As a person who's not a huge fan of the Metal Gear series (in fact, I kinda hated it), this is actually surprising..... While at the same time, not. I remember Kojima making many attempts to quit the MG series by trying to kill Snake, claiming that Peace Walker was the "real MGS5," and making Metal Gear Solid: Rising. Yet, somehow, people wouldn't let him.

He didn't make Rising, and the decision to stay on Metal Gear was, by his own admittance, his own choice. I also don't see how any of those, outside killing Snake maybe, can be seen as an attempt to quit the franchise.
 
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I can understand why he was reluctant to go, even though he didn't want to make more. It was still his thing, and it was painful for him to see others doing stuff he may not have liked.
 
I will say this, I would be extremely excited to see what kojima can do if he, let's say, opens up his own game studio.
 
I have no doubt he will make some interesting things in the future.
 

I was totally prepared for a Kojimaless Metal Gear one day, but still...

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and I'm not ready to give up on silent hills either.
 
It's only a matter of time before Konami go belly up and MS or Sony swoops in to buy the franchise.

Give it time.
 
without Kojima, I really wish they'd just kill the series, although I know thats not happening.
 
See.. I don't think Kojima is the be all end all. I love Metal Gear but I've been saying I wouldn't mind someone else taking a crack at it. While I enjoy his games Kojima comes off as.. Very.......Weird. I mean I get what MGS is.. I've played it since the NES days, but I swear every game is weirder and weirder. I wouldn't mind if it were more grounded and less insane at times.

And that horn man. That damn horn almost killed any hype I had for the game, lol.
 
And for the love Konami.. Bring back David Hayter. :D
He's doing very well BTW with that arm he's missing as the winter soldier.


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It's only a matter of time before Konami go belly up and MS or Sony swoops in to buy the franchise.

Give it time.

Nah, that's not happening. While their mainstream gaming business is pretty much non-existent besides Metal Gear at this point, they have a pretty healthy mobile division, and they have revenues from various other areas (fitness centers, casino machines, etc.) that are actually very profitable. It may not look like it based on just their mainstream gaming output, but they are actually a financially healthy company. The worst case scenario is really that they'll just exist the gaming business. If that happens, they may sell their gaming IPs, though.
 
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In regards to Silent Hills, I see primarily two possibilities.

1) If Kojima was the actual director, then I think it'll probably get canned. Most likely, if this were the case, very little actual work has been done on the title outside concept stuff (and since we were told we wouldn't hear anything about the game until after MGSV, I'm guessing it was a 2017, at the earliest, title) that would make it easy to just can or at least can and then use what little you have and rework it into a new game. It's possible, I guess, that Kojima will stay on as a work-for-hire, but that will all depend on what the relationship between him and Konami are actually like after this.

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2) If Kojima was simply a producer or supervisor on the title (I know many are assuming he was directing the title, but as far as I know, this was never truly confirmed), then I expect the game will just continue development as is, and they'll just emphasis Del Toro's involvement (whatever involvement that actually is) to get more attention.
 
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See.. I don't think Kojima is the be all end all.

I disagree somewhat. Without Kojima there is no Metal Gear. I mean, yes, there could obviously be games with "Metal Gear" written on the box, and they could star a gruff guy with a bandanna, but what Metal Gear "is" is tied intrinsically with Hideo Kojima. He is one of the very tiny handful of actual auteurs in game development, and he's certainly the only auteur making games on the scale of Metal Gear. (Obviously Kojima isn't solely responsible for it. There have been other collaborators that helped make Metal Gear what it is, most notably Yoji Shinkawa. But those people will all be gone with Kojima by the end of the year.)

Now, I understand that there's a fairly sizable chunk of Metal Gear fans out there who lament the direction Kojima took the series in after MGS1, and they would much prefer "Tom Clancy's Metal Gear" for lack of a better term, to what we ended up getting. On a certain level I can understand that, because I used to think the same way when I was a teenager. And to be honest, I can only imagine we'll get something closer to that in the future, so good for you guys I guess.

However, make no mistake. Whatever becomes of the franchise after The Phantom Pain, good or bad, whether or not it appeals to each of our personal preferences, without someone with the ambition and artistic sensibilities of Hideo Kojima at the helm, I guarantee you it will be a wholly lesser series.
 
I disagree somewhat. Without Kojima there is no Metal Gear. I mean, yes, there could obviously be games with "Metal Gear" written on the box, and they could star a gruff guy with a bandanna, but what Metal Gear "is" is tied intrinsically with Hideo Kojima. He is one of the very tiny handful of actual auteurs in game development, and he's certainly the only auteur making games on the scale of Metal Gear. (Obviously Kojima isn't solely responsible for it. There have been other collaborators that helped make Metal Gear what it is, most notably Yoji Shinkawa. But those people will all be gone with Kojima by the end of the year.)

Now, I understand that there's a fairly sizable chunk of Metal Gear fans out there who lament the direction Kojima took the series in after MGS1, and they would much prefer "Tom Clancy's Metal Gear" for lack of a better term, to what we ended up getting. On a certain level I can understand that, because I used to think the same way when I was a teenager. And to be honest, I can only imagine we'll get something closer to that in the future, so good for you guys I guess.

However, make no mistake. Whatever becomes of the franchise after The Phantom Pain, good or bad, whether or not it appeals to each of our personal preferences, without someone with the ambition and artistic sensibilities of Hideo Kojima at the helm, I guarantee you it will be a wholly lesser series.

While you may be right, we really have no measuring stick to see how true this really is. At this point, outside some spinoffs and TTS, we really don't know for sure what MG will look like without Kojima. I'm a big fan of Kojima myself, but it's a bit too dogmatic, to me, to basically kill even the idea of a MG as a "lesser series" without him before that thing even exists.

I mean, it's like I agree with a lot of what you said, and odds are that you're probably right here, but I think it's unfair to denounce something before it even has a chance to prove itself.
 
I wasn't denouncing. I essentially said IF they couldn't find someone to fill Kojima's shoes. Which I admit, I think is the more likely outcome. Still, I hope I'm wrong and I'm open to a Kojimaless Metal Gear.
 
For the record. I would never want "Tom Clancy's Metal Gear Solid." The supernatural/science fiction aspects of MGS are why I've always preferred this franchise to Splinter Cell from the beginning. Sure, Kojima took it a little too far at times (nanomachines did everything), but I truly hope that never changes.

Having said that, I have to agree with Tron Bonne here on pretty much everything. This could turn out to be a great thing just as easily as it could turn out to be a disaster. I for one am intrigued and admittedly a little excited at the prospect of this series moving into uncharted waters. Do they basically reboot the Solid Snake saga starting with Metal Gear remakes? Or do they create an entirely new storyline post-Big Boss/Solid Snake?
 
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