Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[Showtime]

Just like they didn't even care about those possibilities.

That is just Singer's style, I am not saying it's right, but I think he wanted this to be a stand alone with opportunity to branch out.

 

[nintendo nerd]

That is just Singer's style, I am not saying it's right, but I think he wanted this to be a stand alone with opportunity to branch out.

But look what those cliffhangers did to BB and Spider - man 2.

BB: "The joker card, he is going to be on a sequel. Awesome."

Spider - man 2: "WOW!!! Is harry going to become the new goblin? I can't wait for spider - man 3."

SR: "Something followed Superman to Earth." Was it Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, Mongul? Finally, we're going to have a great fight on the sequel".

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Kevin Smith would also write Superman for free. Hell, any Superman fan would write the darn thing for free.

That is my point. It shows a passion and that is what the script needs.

 

[He-Man]

Getting rid of this crap is a good thing.

 

[Showtime]

But look what those cliffhangers did to BB and Spider - man 2.

BB: "The joker card, he is going to be on a sequel. Awesome."

Spider - man 2: "WOW!!! Is harry going to become the new goblin? I can't wait for spider - man 3."

SR: "Something followed Superman to Earth." Was it Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, Mongul? Finally, we're going to have a great fight on the sequel".

I think the best one out of the bunch was Batman Begins, very well done.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I completely agree. I think that the WB is taking a hard look at what Marvel is doing with the Hulk and probably said "Hey, Superman is bigger than the hulk, if marvel can do it with that character and have all this interweb buzz then why can't we do it with the man of steel?"

I just want a truly spectacular superman film that makes me feel like Im watching my hero come to life. The same way that the Spider-Man movies hit all the beats from the comics putting you in awe that someone actually brought spider-man to life!

I mean, Spider-Man is VASTLY more difficult a character to do right than Superman, there is soooooooo much that could have went wrong! But it didn't thanks to a Director with passion and intimate knowledge of the source material. Why can't Superman have someone like that in his corner?

You wouldn't think it would be so hard to make a great Superman movie that wins the adoration of most of the public and comic book fans. But alas, look where we are, almost back to square one. It's amazing. I do think Singer will no longer continue to be involved only because it was the three of them together that crafted this story. It wasn't like he just stepped in and directed this story from two guys he hardly knew. He has a lot of emotional attachment to that story and to have two of his writers leave when they were with him since day one, I can't imagine he would be far behind.

This is looking more and more like an entirely new franchise with an entirely new creative team and an entirely new cast. The writers were the first dominoes to go down, the director will probably be next, then the cast etc... Of course, all IMHO.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Getting rid of this crap is a good thing.

Yeah Singer really put the franchise in a cluster**** situation with that damn kid. Maybe a reboot isn't such a bad idea.

 

[nintendo nerd]

Getting rid of this crap is a good thing.

I think Jason, was what bothered the less in SR. There were bigger issues with the story. IMO.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

But look what those cliffhangers did to BB and Spider - man 2.

BB: "The joker card, he is going to be on a sequel. Awesome."

Spider - man 2: "WOW!!! Is harry going to become the new goblin? I can't wait for spider - man 3."

SR: "Something followed Superman to Earth." Was it Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, Mongul? Finally, we're going to have a great fight on the sequel".

But nintendo nerd, keep in mind the movie themselves(BB, SM2) had people pumped throughout the movie itself(because they were that good and well received), the ending was the icing on the cake. SR did not get as many people excited with the entire movie itself as those did, if that makes any sense.

Basically, great movie = many people excited to see what happens in a possible sequel.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I think Jason, was what bothered the less in SR. There were bigger issues with the story. IMO.

Honestly the kid for Superman Returns wasn't so bad but thinking about it in franchise mode it is really a big mess.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Yeah Singer really put the franchise in a cluster**** situation with that damn kid. Maybe a reboot isn't such a bad idea.

I hope for a reboot. The kid just killed it for me, final nail in the coffin.

 

[nintendo nerd]

I think the best one out of the bunch was Batman Begins, very well done.

People were clapping at the theater were I watched the movie. ( including me ).

Imagine , the scene were Superman smiles at the camera like in the Reeve movies. Then the screen goes dark. And suddenly we're back in Smallville and we see someone getting out of a Ship. And we just see his eyes. With a really creepy music.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

People were clapping at the theater were I watched the movie. ( including me ).

Sadly I unintentionally spoiled that moment for me.

 

[nintendo nerd]

But nintendo nerd, keep in mind the movie themselves(BB, SM2) had people pumped throughout the movie itself(because they were that good and well received), the ending was the icing on the cake. SR did not get as many people excited with the entire movie itself as those did, if that makes any sense.

Basically, great movie = many people excited to see what happens in a possible sequel.

You're right. But imagine a cliffhanger that promised more much action for the sequeland a really powerful villian. That way people would've not been so disappointed about SR. IMO

 

[nintendo nerd]

Sadly I unintentionally spoiled that moment for me.

Internet is your friend, but also your enemy.

 

[Showtime]

People were clapping at the theater were I watched the movie. ( including me ).

Imagine , the scene were Superman smiles at the camera like in the Reeve movies. Then the screen goes dark. And suddenly we're back in Smallville and we see someone getting out of a Ship. And we just see his eyes. With a really creepy music.

They could have done something like that.

 

[Grinder]

I don't get why so many people believe that a reboot means "origin"!? And for the record: No I don't think Donner got it right! S:TM is a boring 2 1/2 hour movie that just introduces characters and a has a silly ending. So I wouldn't mind an updated and more balanced origin.
Smallville already does it in the form of a big war that annihilated Kryptonians. I bet Darkseid was the main villain in this scenario, teaming with ZOD and Brainiac. Once again showing how much possibilities there are by just changing a tiny bit of the story. No need to redo everything.

Anyway, what I mean is this: Start the movie like Spidey 2 with a comic panel opening that shows the most important steps in Clark's life to the point where he starts working for the Planet. The movie starts with Clark and Lois on their first assignment and just goes from there clashing into a villain plot for Supes in the third act. By the end of the first movie, Intergang will be introduced through the Lois & Clark plot and Supes will defend the US from a villain, with a little help from Lex, which leads to Luthor becoming US President in the second flick. Then he eventually turns against Supes and a new villain shows up and bla bla bla ... there are endless possibilites!!!

Is it really too much to ask for a Superman movie that tells an actual story?

 

[Gotham]

Honestly the kid for Superman Returns wasn't so bad but thinking about it in franchise mode it is really a big mess.

I don't think anyone would want to think about that.

Clark Kent is Superman and that's that.

 

[DarkSuperman]

You wouldn't think it would be so hard to make a great Superman movie that wins the adoration of most of the public and comic book fans. But alas, look where we are, almost back to square one. It's amazing. I do think Singer will no longer continue to be involved only because it was the three of them together that crafted this story. It wasn't like he just stepped in and directed this story from two guys he hardly knew. He has a lot of emotional attachment to that story and to have two of his writers leave when they were with him since day one, I can't imagine he would be far behind.

This is looking more and more like an entirely new franchise with an entirely new creative team and an entirely new cast. The writers were the first dominoes to go down, the director will probably be next, then the cast etc... Of course, all IMHO.

Yeah, I think you may be right. Seems like there is a domino effect happening. First the writers then the rest of the SR team. I wish I could say that I feel upset about it, but I'm really not. I'm far more jazzed about the possibility of Superman getting the film he deserves. One with Action, Adventure, a bit of Romance, and everything else the world expects of The Last son of Krypton.


I mean can you imagine a Superman film done similarly to the Spidey franchise? That would literally be a dream come true. Here's hoping Superman finds his Raimi and makes magic happen.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I don't get why so many people believe that a reboot means "origin"!? And for the record: No I don't think Donner got it right! S:TM is a boring 2 1/2 hour movie that just introduces characters and a has a silly ending. So I wouldn't mind an updated and more balanced origin.
Smallville already does it in the form of a big war that annihilated Kryptonians. I bet Darkseid was the main villain in this scenario, teaming with ZOD and Brainiac. Once again showing how much possibilities there are by just changing a tiny bit of the story. No need to redo everything.

Anyway, what I mean is this: Start the movie like Spidey 2 with a comic panel opening that shows the most important steps in Clark's live to the point were he starts working for the Planet. The movie starts with Clark and Lois on their first assignment and just goes from there clashing into a villain plot for Supes in the third act. By the end of the first movie, Intergang will be introduced through the Lois & Clark plot and Supes will defend the US from a villain, with a little help from Lex, which leads to Luthor becoming US President in the second flick. Then he eventually turns against Supes and a new villain shows up and bla bla bla ... there are endless possibilites!!!

Is it really too much to ask for a Superman movie that tells an actual story?

You're hired!

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I mean can you imagine a Superman film done similarly to the Spidey franchise? That would literally be a dream come true. Here's hoping Superman finds his Raimi and makes magic happen.

I have imagined. I hope as well Superman does find the director with the magical touch.

 

[Gotham]

Yeah, I think you may be right. Seems like there is a domino effect happening. First the writers then the rest of the SR team. I wish I could say that I feel upset about it, but I'm really not. I'm far more jazzed about the possibility of Superman getting the film he deserves. One with Action, Adventure, a bit of Romance, and everything else the world expects of The Last son of Krypton.


I mean can you imagine a Superman film done similarly to the Spidey franchise? That would literally be a dream come true. Here's hoping Superman finds his Raimi and makes magic happen.

Who is to say that Singer didn't have the perfect Superman film with the sequel?

Absolutely nothing is known in story detail about the sequel.

We're all getting ahead of ourselves here.

 

[mathhater]

I'm really happy with this news. I enjoyed SR okay, but it had some major problems...to say the least. The characterizations were all off (a wasted Kevin Spacey with an outdated camp Luthor,) it didn't tell a complete story, just building on bits and pieces of previous films, and it's backdrop was so vague that it's pretty much impossible to work this into the previously built mythology.

So Dougherty and Harris are out? Fantastic...this is the only good news I've heard today.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Who is to say that Singer didn't have the perfect Superman film with the sequel?

Absolutely nothing is known in story detail about the sequel.

We're all getting ahead of ourselves here.

Because there is absolutely nothing from SR that I want to see continued in the next film. I didn't care about any of the characters or storylines set up. If Singer were to continue, he would be playing off what he set up, which I don't care for, even if he were to bring in Darkseid, Braniac, etc...

 

[Grinder]

Who is to say that Singer didn't have the perfect Superman film with the sequel?

Absolutely nothing is known in story detail about the sequel.

We're all getting ahead of ourselves here.

Because his groundwork in SR is considered wrong by too many people. Whatever he would do now, he would turn off one half of the audience which is the one thing every studio wants to avoid in a franchise!