Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[FlawlessVictory]

I have to say this does bother me in the fact that I really like Mike and his writing. In the instances when I have gone back and forth with him via email or myspace he has always been very cordial and accomodating. He's a talented guy, writer, director, and a very good artist. It's not as if he will have a problem getting work or anything.

You can still be a good/solid/great director or writer but just not be right for a certain project. I think this is the case for Singer and his two writers and their involvment with Superman.

 

[NateGray]

I have said it many other times: I am more than happy with SR. One of the reasons is because such a good movie about this superhero doesn't happen every decade. It was quite possible part of the audience would be thinking "But where's the CGI punch-action sequence? we had it in Spiderman, it shpould be here too!" while watching it. So I think I was lucky more than enough having 1 good movie of Superman, since it's not the kind of things that Hollywood use to produce. Being that the case, I can't pretend they start making good movies merely because I want to. And therefore if there's no sequel, I still see the half-full glass.

Sorry but a good superman movie does not make Superman try to pick up his old GF by flying her around the city when for all he knows at that time she has a CHILD with another man.
That is so NOT superman and in fact its not the actions of any DECENT human being much less the Idol of billions of fans.

You know that SUPERMAN guy fans look up to because he is a paragon of virtue.

Any follow up movie by Singer has to address these issues which are un-addressable IMO anyways as they portray a Superman who did not resonate well with at least half the fans.

 

[Showtime]

You can still be a good/solid/great director or writer but just not be right for a certain project. I think this is the case for Singer and his two writers and their involvment with Superman.

I don't think that Mike wasn't the right man for the job, it would be interesting to find out what his ideal version of Superman would look like. It's different to bounce ideas with other creative professionals, then it is to go forward with your own ideas. That being said, it is what it is.

 

[markaudette]

So does this mean there was falling out between Singer and Dougherty & Harris?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

So does this mean there was falling out between Singer and Dougherty & Harris?

I highly doubt it. They are all tied together. Their ideas were the basis for SR and they put their ideas together for a pitch for the sequel. WB could just be finding ways to announce each of their departures in a "creative" way to leave them with as much dignity as possible. Of course, this is all just speculation on my part.

 

[El Payaso]

So instead of getting Superman stories similar to the ones we see in the comics, we have to live with crappy rehash of the 78 film, with a bunch of BS Christ imaginery thrown in? Screw that.

In fact you don't have to. Even if you insist to name that 'crap' and a sequel were confirmed, you wouldn't have to watch it. It's that simple.

And Christ imagery? lol? Was Spiderman in that train being helped by people in a crucifixoon pose Christ imagery too? It seems not even the writers being posted out is reason enough to stop your angry temper tantrums.

I don't care if you like that crap,

Your post says otherwise.

I didn't, Roger Ebert didn't, most of the public didn't and now the movie studio doesn't.

SR was seen by more people than Batman Begins pal. Everything reduces to the amount of money on executives' pockets, not about the kiddy fascination of a ride on the bandwagon you're suffering of.

I would rather have a movie that actually tries to be like the comics and a sequel might do that, I would rather take a chance on a sequal than live with the boring, pretenious piece of crap that was Superman returns was.

And by what it seems, it's what you're getting. So I must ask, in the words of Jacob (Harvey Keitel) "Are you such a loser you can't tell when you've won?"

 

[Showtime]

So does this mean there was falling out between Singer and Dougherty & Harris?

Anything is possible at this point but I doubt it. Some scenarios:

1) Mike & Dan decided they would move on to other projects, they tried
several treatments for MOS and it didn't work. They got fed up and
have bigger fish to fry as directors.
2) WB mandated that if Bryan wanted to direct the sequel then he would
need to find a different writing team or be offered a script from WB,
hoping that Singer would then opt out of his contract.

 

[Crook]

Edit.

 

[Crook]

And don´t believe for a second that WB will go out and do a Superman Begins - I have no idea why tell a step-by-step Superman origin yet again when Donner already did it brilliantly anyway.

When you're bringing back a character to the big-screen for a modern audience, a re-telling of the origin is almost required. Especially when the last live-action depiction of the character's genesis was over 30 years ago.

From the sound of how JL is shaping up and the sucess of a cheesy dumb franchise adaptation like Transformers, you´re more likely to get a retrocess to the Batman & Robin days when studios couldn´t care less for what fanboys want than the anally comics-accurate take you keep *****ing for.

Is this the same poster who spent months in the TDK forum trying to calm down rabid posters of making unfounded conclusions based on pictures, rumors, and little info?

Now you're doing the same sh1t without any pictures, vast rumors, and close to no concrete info at all?

Yeah that makes complete sense.

And Christ imagery? lol? Was Spiderman in that train being helped by people in a crucifixoon pose Christ imagery too?

Heh. Well the writers have addressed that issue, and they did confirm it was definitely Christ imagery (like the falling down in space scene).

SR was seen by more people than Batman Begins pal. Everything reduces to the amount of money on executives' pockets, not about the kiddy fascination of a ride on the bandwagon you're suffering of.

It also boils down to the film's ability to garner interest and revenue, to make up a long-lasting franchise. At this point, I don't think anyone can argue BB did this job better than SR.

 

[El Payaso]

Sorry but a good superman movie does not make Superman try to pick up his old GF by flying her around the city when for all he knows at that time she has a CHILD with another man.

Lois is free to choose. And Superman, a man in love who'll do anything for what he feels. He even quit his mission for her leaving people defensless, which would be on the list of things Superman would never do maybe?

It's not like Superman was giving her an amnesia kiss or some kind of unethical immoral mind manipulation like that.

You know that SUPERMAN guy fans look up to because he is a paragon of virtue.

So... fans being such a paragon of virtue, they don't accept any less of Superman?

But again, in the Donner movies, Superman had his own list of less-than-virtuous things done. And being SR based on those films... you get me.

Any follow up movie by Singer has to address these issues which are un-addressable IMO anyways as they portray a Superman who did not resonate well with at least half the fans.

I agree that they shouldn't ruin what was an interesting risky not-following-the-easy-way story. For what resonate on fans, not even executives care for that, just themselves.

 

[millennium movies]

Man those damn morons, they screw up the first movie and then they leave without cleaning up the mess they made...selfish bastards

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Man those damn morons, they screw up the first movie and then they leave without cleaning up the mess they made...selfish bastards

LOL, a lot of me makes me think they didn't really walk away.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Anything is possible at this point but I doubt it. Some scenarios:

1) Mike & Dan decided they would move on to other projects, they tried
several treatments for MOS and it didn't work. They got fed up and
have bigger fish to fry as directors.
2) WB mandated that if Bryan wanted to direct the sequel then he would
need to find a different writing team or be offered a script from WB,
hoping that Singer would then opt out of his contract.

What seems strange to me is, wouldn't all of the details have been ironed out between Singer and the studio before he signed his deal to direct/produce, last October? I just don't think Singer would have signed on, if the situation wasn't to his liking.

 

[El Payaso]

Heh. Well the writers have addressed that issue, and they did confirm it was definitely Christ imagery (like the falling down in space scene).

That's the problem with internet. People shopuld stop listening to directors, actors and writers and merely watch the movie. In there should be everything that's important. Spiderman technically had that Christ imagery too, but as no writer said anything about it so fans never noticed by themselves.

It also boils down to the film's ability to garner interest and revenue, to make up a long-lasting franchise. At this point, I don't think anyone can argue BB did this job better than SR.

Filling the poockets of executives, no rppoblem. The numbers say it did 20 million less than SR. And 'most people' going to see the movies being the actual point of the poster I replied to...

 

[dark_b]

What seems strange to me is, wouldn't all of the details have been ironed out between Singer and the studio before he signed his deal to direct/produce, last October? I just don't think Singer would have signed on, if the situation wasn't to his liking.

well thats interesting. how know what happened.

 

[Super Kal]

Man those damn morons, they screw up the first movie and then they leave without cleaning up the mess they made...selfish bastards

typical...

 

[FlawlessVictory]

What seems strange to me is, wouldn't all of the details have been ironed out between Singer and the studio before he signed his deal to direct/produce, last October? I just don't think Singer would have signed on, if the situation wasn't to his liking.

When was it announced that Singer had signed on to direct the sequel?

 

[ultimatefan]

When you're bringing back a character to the big-screen for a modern audience, a re-telling of the origin is almost required. Especially when the last live-action depiction of the character's genesis was over 30 years ago.


Is this the same poster who spent months in the TDK forum trying to calm down rabid posters of making unfounded conclusions based on pictures, rumors, and little info?

Now you're doing the same sh1t without any pictures, vast rumors, and close to no concrete info at all?

Yeah that makes complete sense.


Heh. Well the writers have addressed that issue, and they did confirm it was definitely Christ imagery (like the falling down in space scene).


It also boils down to the film's ability to garner interest and revenue, to make up a long-lasting franchise. At this point, I don't think anyone can argue BB did this job better than SR.

A retelling of the origin is required when the original telling feels dated, and STM as far as I´m concerned still holds up very well in that department. Other than just timeline, there´s nothing about Donner´s telling of the journey from Krypton to Kansas to Metropolis I feel necessary to retell.

There were confirmations from several sources that the script leak of JL was real, the most important WB putting down the page with the leak, which is a classic sign of the information being real.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

When was it announced that Singer had signed on to direct the sequel?

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117952909.html?categoryid=1350&cs=1

 

[Crook]

That's the problem with internet. People shopuld stop listening to directors, actors and writers and merely watch the movie. In there should be everything that's important. Spiderman technically had that Christ imagery too, but as no writer said anything about it so fans never noticed by themselves.

Well I had no problem with the shot myself, I'm just pointing out that it wasn't baseless to claim there was imagery intentionally put in. As for the Spider-Man 2 scene, well honestly I think that's a stretch to call it a Christ reference. The only similarities were his arms being stretched out. By that logic, anyone reaching out for a hug would also depict some Christ imagery, lol.

It was much more overt in SR. A god, flying over Earth, unconscious, slowly descending to the ground. Not to mention that it was drawn out, and no music playing in the background only served to make sure the viewer payed attention.

Not saying it's good or bad, just that the imagery in that particular scene was more than obvious.

Filling the poockets of executives, no rppoblem. The numbers say it did 20 million less than SR. And 'most people' going to see the movies being the actual point of the poster I replied to...

Well ok, in that case, yes he was wrong. Unless he was only referring to a U.S. audience. But in any case, I stand by my point. The fact that TDK is close to wrapping up, and we're still arguing over whether we're even getting MOS, speaks volumes about WB's mindset on these 2 franchises.

To me, that says one film's gross isn't completely the be-all and end-all. Especially in franchises. If a sequel isn't highly sought after by the crowd, or is at the very least, not a guarantee for a smashing success; that's a determining factor as well.

 

[DanSupKP37]

If Dougherty and Harris are out, then Singer is out. Harris started working on outlines of the script, Dougherty took over and continued the work. Bryan and Mike pitched the sequel, contrary to what was reported, WB didn't like what they had to do with it. Now WB is moving on. The sequel with Bryan at the helm is officially dead at this point, and the chance of a sequel seems dead to me as well.

Wait a minute why is the sequel dead because Mike and Dan are out? So Singer may be out as well so what? It says WB is taking pitches right now so that means they still are looking to make another Superman movie and it appears they are happy with Routh. I don't see why WB can not bring in a new team of writers and maybe a new director and still do this with Routh as Supes.

 

[Showtime]

Wait a minute why is the sequel dead because Mike and Dan are out? So Singer may be out as well so what? It says WB is taking pitches right now so that means they still are looking to make another Superman movie and it appears they are happy with Routh. I don't see why WB can not bring in a new team of writers and maybe a new director and still do this with Routh as Supes.

They could, and they might. It's just as likely that they will then they won't. You don't know what WB is thinking. Either do I.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117952909.html?categoryid=1350&cs=1

Thanks. I agree with you, why resign him without clearing up other matters as well(i.e. writers).

 

[Showtime]

The deal most likely hinged on a greenlit script or treatment.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

The deal most likely hinged on a greenlit script or treatment.

So if a script or treatment is not greenlit then they don't monetarily owe Singer anything for involvement with SR2?