Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[EagleVision]

Oh I read it and I'm not surprised. All we need is Singer gone, and maybe we can try to do this right, one more time.

 

[J.Howlett]

The only reason I think the project might not be dead is because of WB's response to Routh. He's the foundation. I'm sure WB feels they can build around him instead of a director. Which then begs the question, does Routh stay loyal to Singer and his vision or continue on without him under the watchful eye of WB?

 

[manofsteel4life]

i just want a great superman movie, i dont care if you have to bring Donner back to do it. But dont do a Hulk, we have a cast, lets roll with it

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Let's put it this way. He just got finished throwing NK into space and is now lying in the hospital with a Kryptonite Shard in his side.

LOL

 

[Prognosticator]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117952909.html?categoryid=1350&cs=1

**slow clap becomes roaring applause**

 

[manofsteel4life]

as long as they dont do an origion. my second to last choice is a seperate adventure with a new cast. i prefer a sequel with the same cast, really dont care about singer. but you need the opening titles, williams music, crystal fotress

 

[Crook]

Drexx,

Let me ask you this, do you see New Line redoing The Lord of the Rings to keep it revelant another generation from now?

No. Did you really need to ask that?

You'll probably answer no so what's the difference between Lord of the Rings or something like Star Wars and not Superman?

Maybe the fact that LOTR and SW have a concrete story, that doesn't extend past it's set mythology. It's not the same type of franchise, in which you can make infinite number of stories featuring the same characters.

Now SW, you can argue is a limitless world. But you also have to note that it's elseworlds stories rarely do involve the "key" characters of SW as we know it (Vader, Luke, Han, Yoda, etc.). It's set in the same world, but they can get away with telling a different story because it technically doesn't have the same characters.

Franchises like Bats and Supes are more in the line of Bond. And before you bring up the "Bond origins haven't been retold decade after decade" argument, I'll say this: I don't think it's necessary to re-tell an origin every few years. The Bond franchise has proved you can simply continue (albeit in a diff. route) the stories.

SR did this and imo, ultimately failed. Which is why, in this particular instance, I think it's important that they go a completely new way, which is to reboot and tell the audiences, "ok forget that previous installment, this is how Supes will be done now". Similar to the DAD and CR situation.

Then from there, you can continue with a franchise whose movies doesn't necessarily have to dictate a continuous timeline with one another (like Bond).

 

[J.Howlett]

Drexx,

Fine. I'll agree to disagree because I think Superman Returns is pretty damn great film about character. But given my bias, I still think WB would be stupid as hell to reboot TOTALLY this early. It's just way, too damn soon to even be thinking on such lines.

 

[manofsteel4life]

I guess I just feel unsettled, and a bit sad. Until now, it's been fans saying, "Justice League is going to erase any possibility for MOS," and real WB sources intimately connected to the Superman franchise giving us news like, "the story idea is great, we're going ahead, JL has nothing to do with the Superman franchise." Though admittedly odd, I often found myself calmed by that latter sentiment. It seems JL news is all over the place, but MOS news, when we get it, seems solid in an "all systems are a go" kind of way.

Then this comes along. I'm not saying MOS won't get made, or that Singer won't return and with him Routh...I'm just saying I feel melancholy that the Superman Reeve established, the Superman FILM SERIES...is again, perhaps, in jeopardy.

I love you all. We're all Superman fans. I don't care what camp you're from, Love SR, Hate SR, Love Welling, Love Routh, Smallville Rules, Smallville Sucks, Reboot Please, SR2 Please...We all love Superman, and maybe he's in trouble.

We're the crowd outside of Metropolis General, nervously wandering around, waiting to hear the news... Is Superman Dead? Is Superman Alive? Is Superman Sick, or is he doing just fine, and he'll check in with us as soon as he's able?

I might be feeling a little over dramatic, but I feel queasy. The Superman I cheered about being preserved on our modern movie screens back the year before SR dropped is again in danger and there's nothing to do but wait and hear God knows what...New writers, new director, new actors?!

It's been said before, but I'll say it again. Watch X-Men and then X2, people. SR is to X-men, and we may never see what SR's X2 could've been. If that doesn't make you sad, I don't know what will.

Or...Harris and Dougherty are just ready to move from writers to directors, done taking orders, and are ready to give them. To call the shots. Maybe that's all that's happened.

I hope. That's what Superman is. Hope. And I hope that he returns to the screens. We need hope in our lives.

I'm sorry for rambling, but you all are my brothers and sister, despite whatever opinions we might have in conflict. You're the only ones who might understand.

-trr

Please speak in love towards one another. You're talking to different shades of yourself on these boards.

Amen brother...

 

[Octoberist]

Drexx,

Is WB going to redo the origin of Batman in 30 years for another generation after they're done with Nolan's trilogy?

I mean, seriously, why do it for every new generation? This is why we have DVD. This is why we have books. Do some research, a little reading, and you won't have to keep retelling origins for these characters for a new generation.

The basics don't change because fans aren't willing to let them change. So, why keep retelling the basics of every characters origin for a new generation? It makes little sense to me when we all have access to find out about such things quite easily.

it's like me remaking the book version of 'to kill a mockingbird' for the new generation. everything's disposable in Hollywood and that's a major problem.

 

[J.Howlett]

Now, if this new Variety story is in fact true and Singer has inked a deal to direct, then it means that either WB or himself has reigned in Singer for this sequel. Or, maybe he had a wake up call (which I don't think he needed) or the fact that he can't or won't leave Superman to go on with Mike and Dan.

I still see the possiblity of him leaving but if he goes on withouth Mike and Dan, then that means he feels something strong for the character.

 

[J.Howlett]

Exactly, Octoberist...

 

[J.Howlett]

"It's been said before, but I'll say it again. Watch X-Men and then X2, people. SR is to X-men, and we may never see what SR's X2 could've been. If that doesn't make you sad, I don't know what will."

With Singer at the helm, this is what is going to happen. If they go in a new directing, fans of this character can just forget it....

 

[Crook]

Drexx,

Fine. I'll agree to disagree because I think Superman Returns is pretty damn great film about character. But given my bias, I still think WB would be stupid as hell to reboot TOTALLY this early. It's just way, too damn soon to even be thinking on such lines.

Ok, agreed to disagree.

But still, I don't think it's a total loss. Just because you adore SR, does not mean you have to hate whatever isn't SR-related. Who knows, you may even like the new film. Maybe even better than SR. At this point, it's anyone's game.

it's like me remaking the book version of 'to kill a mockingbird' for the new generation. everything's disposable in Hollywood and that's a major problem.

Except....it's not comparable. If you were trying to make a point, you chose one of the worst examples. "To Kill a Mockingbird" is a story of it's time. So is "Casablanca", so is "Godfather", and so is "Gone With The Wind", and so are a lot of classics you may care to mention.

You may be able to remake it and whatnot, but not in a way that would make it "modern". Otherwise, you are simply not telling the same story. Period.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, this news does sadden me a bit because i liked what they did both X2 and SR, but if Singer and Routh seemingly still on board for the moment, i still think we can get a great sequel. It just depends on how WB meddle in its creation.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

"It's been said before, but I'll say it again. Watch X-Men and then X2, people. SR is to X-men, and we may never see what SR's X2 could've been. If that doesn't make you sad, I don't know what will."

With Singer at the helm, this is what is going to happen. If they go in a new directing, fans of this character can just forget it....

Singer didn't paint himself into corners though with X1 as he did with SR. I didn't have to worry about lame soap opera drama and a Superkid when I went into X2. If Singer were to continue, he would be addressing the issues he set up in SR, which I could care less about. Throwing in some grand villain doesn't change the fact that certain issues cannot be ignored from SR which I want no part of.

 

[manofsteel4life]

The whole thing about recent characterizations of Superman is that he is a God, but his time on Earth made him human. He is human, humans have emotions feel pain etc. He comes back to see the love of his life with another man, anyone would be sad...Superman- in any characterization would be sad about that.

The whole thing was to present a challenge to Superman that he couldn't simply punch to defeat. He is Superman after all, nothing can hurt him physically, so Bryan Singer listened to Norman Osborn and "attacked his heart".

He longed to be part of the human race. The one girl who accepted him had now moved on, and he was again alone. Yet, he saved the man she was with..that's pretty Superman to me. Even when he felt he didn't belong to the world, he risked his life to save it...that's pretty Superman. He put his own wants behind his own (wanted to have his Kryptonian culture and ridding the world of New Krypton)...that's pretty Superman.

I'd say Mr. Singer "got" the character.

-R

thank you......you see.....they just dont understand SR....they dont see it in that light......they are just.....i wont even go there.....i right there with you Robin

 

[Nivek]

Eh, let someone else get a crack at it. I doubt this movie is going to come out anytime soon anyway. Too many pickey a$$ fans who can swallow loads of Smallville on a weekly basis but complain about Red looking too Burgandy, and using Donner as a crutch.

 

[J.Howlett]

See that's the problem right there, Flawless?

Why does everyone assume that Jason White will be flying along side his father stopping the bad guys in the next films? Jason was just a kid in the film, wasn't annoying. He was just an average kid who happen to be the son of Superman. All Singer did was continue and finish a powerful theme that Donner set up that many years ago. Not to mention the fact that there needed to be a new twist in the story of Superman. The logical step was a child only because you can't separate the story of Lois and Superman from a Superman story/film. That's just one of the lynchpins of who this character is and how he's represented. Them having a child together is just the next logical step in the development of Superman as a character.

 

[Nivek]

And to some he is a father figure. Self described fans make their own definition of who Superman is supposed to be in their own minds.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

See that's the problem right there, Flawless?

Why does everyone assume that Jason White will be flying along side his father stopping the bad guys in the next films? Jason was just a kid in the film, wasn't annoying. He was just an average kid who happen to be the son of Superman. All Singer did was continue and finish a powerful theme that Donner set up that many years ago. Not to mention the fact that there needed to be a new twist in the story of Superman. The logic step was a child only because you can't separate the story of Lois and Superman from a Superman story/film. That's just one of the lynchpins of who this character is and how he's represented. Them having a child together is just the next logical step in the development of Superman as a character.

Umm, when did I say he would be flying alongside his father. I called him Superkid, because he has super powers, does he not? Doesn't mean I think he will ever fly or fight villains, so lets clear that up. That doesn't change the fact though that I could give two craps about that storyline and the storyline of Lois revealing to Richard he is not the father etc... And fine, you want to give Superman and Lois a child, I'm all for that but I'm not all for comprimising his character in the process and putting the child in the middle of an episode of Maury Povich because he doesn't know who his biological father is.

 

[Gotham]

Ok, agreed to disagree.

But still, I don't think it's a total loss. Just because you adore SR, does not mean you have to hate whatever isn't SR-related. Who knows, you may even like the new film. Maybe even better than SR. At this point, it's anyone's game.

That's where most have begun to trip over themselves. No one is talking about a new film and most are already speaking about Man of Steel as a thing of the past. Calm down people, the writing squad has left, not the director or producer.

 

[Showtime]

See that's the problem right there, Flawless?

Why does everyone assume that Jason White will be flying along side his father stopping the bad guys in the next films? Jason was just a kid in the film, wasn't annoying. He was just an average kid who happen to be the son of Superman. All Singer did was continue and finish a powerful theme that Donner set up that many years ago. Not to mention the fact that there needed to be a new twist in the story of Superman. The logical step was a child only because you can't separate the story of Lois and Superman from a Superman story/film. That's just one of the lynchpins of who this character is and how he's represented. Them having a child together is just the next logical step in the development of Superman as a character.

It was Singer's version of the character, he used the theme "The Son Becomes The Father, and The Father, The Son" and put his own twist on it. One cut of Superman 2 uses that in a different way, with Jorel actually sacrificing himself for his son, "becoming him", to give him his powers back. This wasn't the enxt logical step, this was Singer's interpretation of the next logical step. Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but somebody's interpretation or vision isn't necessarily anybody elses.

 

[J.Howlett]

Compromising his character? I fail to see how Returns did that. Added a new layer, sure. But compromise, I don't really see it.

 

[MFM]

I hope Mike and Dan would take Bryan and that superkid along with them.