Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[Hunter Rider]

To Hunter's question, I am not necessarily saying that Singer messed up all the ideas, but if you read the script and compare it to the movie then you will see a better flow and a better story. Sure, I know that scripts rarely if ever, make it to the screen as they are but the editing for thsi movie was horrible. Some of what was cut out of the drafts of the script was better than what was filmed, some of what was cut from the film would have made for a better story. It's a nightmare.

Ive never read the script but i trust your take on it.

LOL, ever hear of balancing both action and story? Spider-Man 2 anyone? NO ONE is asking for wall to wall action.

Exactly, I don't get why ppl think that everyone that had issues with SR just wants "T3h Aci0nrr0z"

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Of course there are. But that doesn't mean you need to be put off by that. Writing something is already a step in the right direction. I know Hollywood is difficult to get into but it can be done.

I'm still searching for that story of some random dude who's superman script got bought by WB

The Alex Ford "Man of Steel" script?

 

[Showtime]

Of course there are. But that doesn't mean you need to be put off by that. Writing something is already a step in the right direction. I know Hollywood is difficult to get into but it can be done.

I'm still searching for that story of some random dude who's superman script got bought by WB

You're talking about Alex Ford.

 

[Showtime]

thats not true showtime. transformers had a deep sory and it bombed.
i mean transformers had a deep story and it made milions.

sorry i forgot......transformers was a funny action movie with big robots fighting and it made milions. so i agree with you. peopel want to be entertained. i will now always use TF as an example. people will use SR as an example that the only reason it didnt make money was because the story sucked. i think this is not corect. when it comes down action is waht matter in summer IMO. it has to be fun and it has to have action....they want to be entertained. and if you invest 200 milions and if you dont have an event epic movie ...then the stuidio failed IMO.

Heh Heh.

That is exactly what people want to see in a Summer movie, although I personally enjoyed Superman Returns, it was a Winter movie. It's not an excuse, it's a fact.

 

[Showtime]

showtime i dont want to suck up to you but sometimes it makes me angry that you are so right. when will you writte somthing where we dont agree with you?
sorry but you are to perfect......we need to give you dark colors and a jason(kid) t:
so i agree with your post 100%. a supervillain with good action scenes would greenlight the sequel.

You're making me blush.

It is Film 101, each act has to ascend about the previous act carrying the story forward. Not just the action story, but the emotional story. I think Singer had somewhat of a grasp on the emotional story, maybe too much in some respects, but the action story didn't build as it should have.

 

[DarkSuperman]

Last night I watched SR again, after 6 months. I tried to see the film without my love for it beat my way of thinking. I realized there were many flaws with it, flaws that didn't make it attractive to the audience, flaws that sometimes made it boring, flaws that sometimes made it look like it wasn't a Superman movie. This is all my opinion:

Good things about SR:

- William theme ( Fits Superman perfect )

- The plane rescue scene.

- The lift of New Krypton

- The speech of Superman to Jason at the end of the movie.

- Superman flying to receive the rays from the Sun.

Bad thing about SR:

- The movie most of the time feels depressing.

- The lack of lines for Superman ( Routh did a great job with his face expressions, but is not enough) He is not Batman. Superman talks a lot.

- After the plane rescue scene, theres like an hour that feels really boring.

- The scene where Superman gets shot in the eye, should've been spectacular, it's not. In fact it feel kind of forced.

- Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane doesn't work. She looks too young and I never felt I was looking at Lois Lane in her. Bad casting desicion by Singer. I don't know why Keri Russell didn't stay.

Too Many, many "homages" to STM. Which makes the movie feel dated and feel like you watched almost the same 30 years ago.

- The budget was way too big for the story. IMO you didn't need 200 million to make SR.


In conclusion:

SR is a good movie but it wasn't great as most of the people expected. STM was a great movie but there's great material on the comic books.
And Singer just ignored it. That wasn't a good decision.

What I don't like is that many people only blame Singer. What about WB ? They approved the project. They knew it was too similar to STM, they knew it lacked action, they knew Superman wouldn't talk much.

After this, I don't mind Harris and Doughery leaving, I think I wouldn't mind If Singer leaves too, either.

One thing I'm sure of, is that Routh was a great Superman. Watching him on SR, always brings a smile on my face. Whatever happens with this franchise, I hope Routh could play the man of steel again.

I don't have a problem with Routh I thought he was a good Superman. He just needed a better costume and more lines. As for the film itself, its kinda boring...I have it on DVD and I can't ever bring myself to watch it all the way through. I watch the plane Scene then cut it off.

I don't entirely blame the writers cause the entire plot of Superman Returns was Singer's lame concept. Hopefully The WB will correct his mistakes and do a true Superman story complete with accurate character portrayals, a supervillain, and a HOT Lois Lane who can act.

OH, and for ONCE I'd like to see a Jor-El that couldn't double as Santa Claus...Superman's father should look like he could be superman too, why is he always some old dude who looks nothing like Superman? That irritates me to no end.

 

[nintendo nerd]

The problem with the "action story" in Superman Returns was that the biggest action piece comes at the end of what can be considered the 1st act. The plane rescue was breathtaking in my opinion, and one of the best sequences in comicbook movie history. That being said, when you're a writer or a director, it's your responsibility to escalate the action from there, which never happened in SR. That was one of the biggest problems with the action story in Superman Returns. You feature a menacing Supervillian going into the 2nd and 3rd act, the sequel is already greenlit.

Or maybe leaving the possibility of a new villian for a sequel, just like in BB and Spider - man 2. Brainiac following Clark's ship and landing in Smallville.

 

[nintendo nerd]

I don't have a problem with Routh I thought he was a good Superman. He just needed a better costume and more lines. As for the film itself, its kinda boring...I have it on DVD and I can't ever bring myself to watch it all the way through. I watch the plane Scene then cut it off.

I don't entirely blame the writers cause the entire plot of Superman Returns was Singer's lame concept. Hopefully The WB will correct his mistakes and do a true Superman story complete with accurate character portrayals, a supervillain, and a HOT Lois Lane who can act.

OH, and for ONCE I'd like to see a Jor-El that couldn't double as Santa Claus...Superman's father should look like he could be superman too, why is he always some old dude who looks nothing like Superman? That irritates me to no end.

 

[matrix_ghost]

You're talking about Alex Ford.

The Alex Ford "Man of Steel" script?

Yup that's the one. ANy word if it was good or not

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yup that's the one. ANy word if it was good or not

Well this is it I believe.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/movies.php?topic=alex-ford-script

 

[Showtime]

I would say the only thing that is holding WB back from canning Singer's franchise in its entirety is Routh. A lot of people liked Routh(myself included) so they are a bit torn. But at the end of the day, IMO, I feel he will not be enough and they will just start a new franchise with a new continuity.

From everything I have heard, from everything that has been reported, WB seemed to have liked Routh. Problem is he is now attached to Singer in a way.

 

[Binker]

I want to clearify this, thanks to my source:

- The writers did walk away willingly from MOS because their schedules clashed with the proposed schedule for MOS.

- The understanding is that there were only ideas put down on paper. No actual script was ever written.

Harris and Dougherty are no longer working on the sequel to "Superman Returns". THAT'S IT! Everything else, Singer included, is just speculation. We don't know anything yet. Just because the writers aren't invovled, doesn't mean MOS is down the tubes.

Now everything, please UNDERSTAND THAT!!!

 

[Showtime]

Yup that's the one. ANy word if it was good or not

It's just OK to me.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Well this is it I believe.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/movies.php?topic=alex-ford-script

Thnx , i'll give it a read

 

[Super Kal]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=13046514&postcount=250
I would LOVE to see that version on the big screen in live action

 

[matrix_ghost]

From everything I have heard, from everything that has been reported, WB seemed to have liked Routh. Problem is he is now attached to Singer in a way.

How so
I thought he's contracted to do two more superman sequels . Not brian singer sequels

 

[DarkSuperman]

whats with the picture?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

How so
I thought he's contracted to do two more superman sequels . Not brian singer sequels

If they get rid of Singer and bring in a new director then it's most likely they want a new continuity and nothing to do with Singer's movie otherwise they would just bring Singer back. And new continuity means new Superman otherwise the audience would be scratching their heads.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Here's something interesting. Superman/comic book writer, Mark Millar is throwing his hat in the ring, to write the new Superman film...

It's 8.58am right now, my guys at CAA get into the office in about seven hours and my call will be waiting for them to talk about this. I want to revamp Superman like Hillary wants thin ankles. Revamping this franchise is what I as given fingers for and so, invited or not, I'm putting my plan together now. I've been asked to work on half a dozen screenplays lately, but this is the only one I have ever truly wanted.

As most here know, I have literally hundreds of pages of notes and sketches just waiting for this opportunity. This would be my dream gig and, as a fan, I know exactly what this project needs to work. This has to be Superman for the 21st Century, keeping everything we adore, but starting from scratch and making the kids love it as much as the 30-somethings. I would honestly write this thing for free.

Anyway, my treatment is being polished as we type. Wish me luck. I want to do that Superman movie we all want to see.

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74258

 

[Super Kal]

If they get rid of Singer and bring in a new director then it's most likely they want a new continuity and nothing to do with Singer's movie otherwise they would just bring Singer back. And new continuity means new Superman otherwise the audience would be scratching their heads.

that sounds so good right now

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah Routh has a contract with WB not Singer. It is entirely up to WB whether they want him back or not.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Here's something interesting. Superman/comic book writer, Mark Millar is throwing his hat in the ring, to write the new Superman film...



http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74258

 

[Showtime]

Or maybe leaving the possibility of a new villian for a sequel, just like in BB and Spider - man 2. Brainiac following Clark's ship and landing in Smallville.

Well they did leave possibilities open for sequels, just nothing major. It was all..."vague".

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Here's something interesting. Superman/comic book writer, Mark Millar is throwing his hat in the ring, to write the new Superman film...



http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74258

Very nice. That is the key sentence right there. "I will write this thing for free." That is a guy I would put my faith in.

 

[ervann]

Last night I watched SR again, after 6 months. I tried to see the film without my love for it beat my way of thinking. I realized there were many flaws with it, flaws that didn't make it attractive to the audience, flaws that sometimes made it boring, flaws that sometimes made it look like it wasn't a Superman movie. This is all my opinion:

Good things about SR:

- William theme ( Fits Superman perfect )

- The plane rescue scene.

- The lift of New Krypton

- The speech of Superman to Jason at the end of the movie.

- Superman flying to receive the rays from the Sun.

Bad thing about SR:

- The movie most of the time feels depressing.

- The lack of lines for Superman ( Routh did a great job with his face expressions, but is not enough) He is not Batman. Superman talks a lot.

- After the plane rescue scene, theres like an hour that feels really boring.

- The scene where Superman gets shot in the eye, should've been spectacular, it's not. In fact it feel kind of forced.

- Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane doesn't work. She looks too young and I never felt I was looking at Lois Lane in her. Bad casting desicion by Singer. I don't know why Keri Russell didn't stay.

Too Many, many "homages" to STM. Which makes the movie feel dated and feel like you watched almost the same 30 years ago.

- The budget was way too big for the story. IMO you didn't need 200 million to make SR.


In conclusion:

SR is a good movie but it wasn't great as most of the people expected. STM was a great movie but there's great material on the comic books.
And Singer just ignored it. That wasn't a good decision.

What I don't like is that many people only blame Singer. What about WB ? They approved the project. They knew it was too similar to STM, they knew it lacked action, they knew Superman wouldn't talk much.

After this, I don't mind Harris and Doughery leaving, I think I wouldn't mind If Singer leaves too, either.

One thing I'm sure of, is that Routh was a great Superman. Watching him on SR, always brings a smile on my face. Whatever happens with this franchise, I hope Routh could play the man of steel again.

Ditto. I liked Routh but he wasn't great. But I think much of that also has to do with the wrong costume and a silly hairdo. And it's been said many times, Supes didn't get angry enough. He looked pretty pissed when lifting the rock, but that's probably because it's too damn heavy. That said, i'd give him another shot. Doesn't matter if they reboot it. Audiences won't be confused. I think most people wants to see him give it another go.