Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[FlawlessVictory]

How can you make fun of the \S/?

Haha, it looked tasty!

no, I meant the very end

Yes, the very end is great, with the President and American flag and then the flyby.

But the amnesia kiss and turning back the world again(I know the whole story about why Donner had to use it there) is horrid.

 

[Dark Knight]

Based off of what?



Ya know I find it ridiculous that there are people who fight an origin movie (not saying you specifically) for Superman when the last FILM was in 1978 that told his origin. It's time for a new film to bring an updated take on his origin with just minor tweaks here and there to keep it fresh and bring a new audience.

For some people with Superman Returns, they didn't quite know who he was when he was here. The new fans could use this, the older fans could use an update... Win win situation.

I agree with that take to a certian extent as well.

If they were to do it....the BIRTHRIGHT is a great template to go off. They would need a big time villian though besides Lex regardless.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

God!!! Just because my perspective of SR has changed a little, doesn't mean I hate it. I don't. I still enjoy watching it. Routh for me is the best Superman ever. The cast was excellent, except for Bosworth. I still want a SR sequel as much as you do. It makes me sad when I hear bad news regarding MOS. I don't want JL. I want MOS.

Thank you.

Ha ha, fair enough, i was only kidding anyway.

 

[El Payaso]

Glad you and Pickle liked my new sig. And as you can see I respected most of the source material. You are still " El payoso". t:

Oh, then who could complain about it? Just make sure you're mostly doing your own version and not getting stuck in the past.

 

[hammy]

"Superman Returns" scribes Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris have opted not to come back and pen a sequel to the 2006 summer pic that would have reunited them with helmer Bryan Singer. The three also worked together on "X2: X-Men United."

This is good news for me. Now if they would just get rid of Singer, too, I'd be very happy.

Seriously, I remember when we used to argue about MG and Ratner. Now I wonder if they could have done any worse.

 

[bgshw44]

Lester's Cut > Donner's Cut

no way, you have brando and the opening titles plus no stupid memory kiss or chain smoker lois. the only part of the lester cut that i enjoy is the alley shirt rip.

sure the music cues were off in the donner cut, but the scenes were better.

 

[Showtime]

I disagree, therefore according to the rules of The Hype, I am right.

 

[CrazyDavey]

Well, I really hope we don't get a "Superman Begins" because that story has been done to death! I really think Brandon should return, and I'll start a petiton if I have to. I really think Singer should return also. I'm a big SR fan, and I think Singer would have done a much better job with the 2nd film. X2 is proof that Singer would do a better job then the 2nd film.

 

[Street Vendor]

no way, you have brando and the opening titles plus no stupid memory kiss or chain smoker lois. the only part of the lester cut that i enjoy is the alley shirt rip.

sure the music cues were off in the donner cut, but the scenes were better.

I think that the Brando Fortress sequences in the Donner cut are superior to the Susannah York footage in the Lester cut. Add the Brando stuff to Lester's cut, and that would be the perfect edition of SUPERMAN II IMHO.

 

[blueboy]

This is why I'm against reboot. Routh done a great job, that I want him to stay. Doing a sequel will help keep him as Superman. Beside, I'm sick of reboot every time. It just as bad as doing remakes & another origin film, when we got the perfect origin in the first Supes film. We don't need another origin film. Leave the origin alone.

What do you say to the others who feel that there are better origin superman stories in the comics? I don't know Superman comics that well but if there is indeed a better origin story, I'd love to see it and be wowed a 2nd time around.

 

[bgshw44]

I think that the Brando Fortress sequences in the Donner cut are superior to the Susannah York footage in the Lester cut. Add the Brando stuff to Lester's cut, and that would be the perfect edition of SUPERMAN II IMHO.

i like how all the cheese is cut out of the metropolis battle, and the blank bullet is far superior to that tripping over a pink bear scene, plus the opening credits are more powerful and no memory wipe kiss. Love the added hackman scenes and the scenes and angles donner used

 

[bgshw44]

Now follow me here... Nobody wants a full ORIGINS movie right?

Well on SMALLVILLE they have shown how he lands, and is found on earth! But his departure from Krypton is not shown... EVER!

In a new Superman movie they can show all the Krypton scenes, and have the ship leave for earth, and after it crashes they could put a caption on the screne "25 years later" or something which helps us catch up to modern day, and the next scene picks up with Clark getting to the front doors of the Daily Planet. Maybe have the scene follow Clark walking in traffic a bit before he gets there as part of the scene build up... As Clark walks into the planet he sees old friends "Lois, Jimmy, and Chloe" (hope shes alive by then still) standing around talking, he walks up to them, and they don't seem to have any memory of who he is... I would make that part of my plot twist!

heh why did they forget him? Also this makes it easier for it to be believed that they don't notice that Clark Kent is also SUPERMAN!

Now this way you can skip the ENTIRE Smallville origin, and show something that shows us a part of these characters past we haven't scene like WHY Krypton exploded! There is a lot that can be done with this idea, and then tie it in with a new villain showing up in Metropolis. And yes my main villains in this movie would be DOOMSDAY! & Lex Luthor.

That's how I would write my Superman movie using the cast from Smallville.

you can make a SR sequel that has flashbacks to what led to the destruction, i thought that would be a great way to introduce braniac(ala STAS)

 

[blueboy]

flashbacks flashbacks... ehhhh

 

[charl_huntress]

Good to see you back.

Its been getting pretty active again around here, for obvious reasons.

It definitely seems that way. I've read a few of the posts and it's the same ole argument. You either love it or hate it. I don't think there is an in between.

As it is, I'm resigned to what was. SR was just a bad represenation of Superman and most of that had to do with the writing. It was especially bad after a twenty year wait. There aren't any two ways about it. Most of the reason I don't like this movie have to do with the writing, specifically the romance.

The fact that those fools are gone is a good sign. Hopefully, Singer will exit stage left shortly.

 

[charl_huntress]

GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK GIRL! I decided not to gloat over this at all. There are some pretty upset people that wanted to see a Singer helmed SR2, so they are pretty upset. But you can scroll back and see in this thread and the JLA before SR 2 thread.

Yeah, I can just imagine. Still, I don't need to be the bigger person. I'm glad those clowns are out.

Bring on the reboot!!!!

 

[Nightwing1977]

Seriously, I remember when we used to argue about MG and Ratner. Now I wonder if they could have done any worse.

Oh believe me, McG & Ratner could have done worse. I believe Ratner plan for Supes show him having blond hair with red/white/blue (not sure if I got those right) suit & having lighting or something out of his eyes. And McG? 'Nuff said.

 

[Nightwing1977]

What do you say to the others who feel that there are better origin superman stories in the comics? I don't know Superman comics that well but if there is indeed a better origin story, I'd love to see it and be wowed a 2nd time around.

You will find the majority love the origin in Superman 1, so no need to do another origin. I don't know why some think it wasn't good, 'cause it was as close as it is to the comics. Hence, no need to tell another origin. Why don't someone set up a poll & see if anyone like to see another origin?

 

[X Knight]

well, the only problem is that Superman 1 came out....what.....20-30 years ago?

Also, that's assuming that everybody has seen, remembers, or is familiar with the Donner movies.........

That's also assuming that everybody cares for/likes the Donner universe. Maybe, some ppl would like something different than a Crystal Based Krypton, or Jonathan Kent dying........

 

[Vaibow]

Hey all, first post! I truly believe they are scrapping the Superman Returns franchise and going for the JLA franchise. They're keeping Batman seperate as he is on to a winner in WB's eyes - they don't wan't to damage it anyway.
Let's face it, Superman to the modern audience has a lot of work to do to be 'big' again - the only way that is going to happen is to appeal to a slightly younger audience. Batman is dark where as JLA will be brighter and let's face it, right now, superman can't carry a film on his own; the kids that go watch it can relate to one of the characters and let's be honest, the toy line and merchandise will be immense - which is always a huge factor.
JLA will be a 3 movie arc which over this time will no doubt show origins of some form of all key characters (but Superman, the gerneral audience will have an idea, due to returns, smallville and cartoons) - this will be DC's Xmen.
Just my opinion

 

[Super Kal]

i hope they scrap the SR franchise... it's not worth continuing IMO

 

[dark_b]

i hope they scrap the SR franchise... it's not worth continuing IMO

well you didnt help them by watching it more then 5 times.

 

[blueboy]

I wonder how will WB and Singer save face if the Superman Return franchise is scrapped.

 

[Super Kal]

well you didnt help them by watching it more then 5 times.

and you'll never see me watch it or support it ever again either

 

[blueboy]

Anyone think the general public won't ever accept a new guy as Superman instead of someone just replacing Reeves unless they actually do a new origin story. Let the people actually see this boy go from a man, into Superman?

 

[dark_b]

and you'll never see me watch it or support it ever again either

nice avatar.
i didnt know that you were that big bat-fan for a bat-avatar