The Official Moon Knight Thread - Part 1

[kguillou]

I'm....not a big fan of the Spiderman/Wolverine/Cap personalities but this move to LA sounds interesting and Bendis is usually at his best with the dark street characters. Plus maleev sounds very enthusiastic to draw this, so it will look very pretty. I'm gonna give it a shot.

 

[Drz]

I like the idea that Moon Knight is probably going to be confronting his imagenery personalities inside his head, but dressing up as them? Really?

 

[kguillou]

I'm....not a big fan of the Spiderman/Wolverine/Cap personalities but this move to LA sounds interesting and Bendis is usually at his best with the dark street characters. Plus maleev sounds very enthusiastic to draw this, so it will look very pretty. I'm gonna give it a shot.

 

[Nightwing 52]

Maleev's art and MK being LA bound are just about the only things keeping me interested now...Wolverine is in enough books as is. I DON'T need him in this book as well. That's what his own on-going is for. I wanted this to be about MK and MK only.

 

[kguillou]

I swear Marvel is so intent on believing that people will only buy books if spidey and wolverine are in them.......sadly they're not that wrong either.

 

[kguillou]

I swear Marvel is so intent on believing that people will only buy books if spidey and wolverine are in them.......sadly they're not that wrong either.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I don't know, sounds kind of interesting, but not entirely what I expected. I really know nothing about the character just....I don't know.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

good gravy, I hope the major LA crime boss brings the Pride back. I doubt Bendis would ever use an idea he didn't come up with himself, but this is a perfect opportunity to see the Runaways kids again. them being paired with Moon Knight for a few issues would be incredibly fun.

 

[Dread]

Not even the move to L.A. is totally original. Whenever a writer wants a hero to leave NY, they go to CA. Daredevil was in L.A. in the 70's. The Avengers were there in the 80's and 90's. Why not Chicago? Statistically speaking, in the real world that city has a much higher crime rate than NYC.

How could the Pride return? They're all dead. Even G. Wilder's time plucked younger self is dusted. Maybe a new Pride, sure, but that means Bendis writes them.

People dismissed my hesitancy to Bendis based on his recent Avengers work and how he handled the character in USM. Look who was proven right.

I'll pass on this. If I need some Moon Knight fixes, he should still be in SECRET AVENGERS longer and pops up semi-frequently in HEROES FOR HIRE.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I've always thought of the Pride as more of a title for the gang leading the LA crime circuit, so yeah probably a new Pride. we got a sort of Pride 2.0 with the "G. Wilder's time plucked younger self" before withe the gamer kids he assembled.

but yeah, you're right, it would mean Bendis would be writing them.

I would just hate to see a random new LA crime syndicate when there used to be a perfectly valid one that (sadly) never get used much.

 

[Nightwing 52]

I was reading what other people thought on different forums and came across this:

What did we Moon Knight fans do to deserve this?

Khonshu! Answer me! WHY!?

<--- the most emotion I've shown on the Hype in quite some time.

 

[Dread]

I was always hesitant about this because this is Bendis, and I haven't nicknamed him "Bendis The Horrendous" because I like wordplay. It is because I have bought more of his comics than both he and Marvel deserve, and for one reason or another as stories (ignoring the art), the majority I have read are (in my opinion, of course) either average, underwhelming, or festering piles of buffalo feces I literally regret owning and would sell the moment I could. I just want the space in my room back. And people tell me, "Oh, you haven't read his _____ for ____ years." Dudes...I bought NEW AVENGERS for almost 40 issues, USM for over 100, and all of his events. I bought his 19 issue MIGHTY AVENGER run. I read most of his DAREDEVIL run. To see where he began and where he is now and expecting any 180 in quality is literally like expecting a lion to become a vegetarian. It isn't going to happen. Whatever spell he cast for his first few years has worn off, and he writes about as well as an emulator. Anyone across the Internet can duplicate his "unique" story quirks as easily as they do for Frank Miller.

In theory MOON KNIGHT should have played to his strengths. I knew he'd ignore the mystical stuff and expected to play with the ever usual sanity issues...I just didn't expect a premise this outright insane. Tom Brevoort mentioned some "crazy" ideas with a "Spider-Man kills a bad guy" stories he rejected, yet he allows a no hoper story like this comes in. Moon Knight's sanity has been ore for many stories...but like Daredevil, it is a well that has run dry because it is the only well utilized. Every time someone tries it, it has to become more extreme because it has been done so many times in a row. The "Daredevil's life is destroyed and he has to rebuild it" has been done so many times, and has become more extreme every time, that we needed SHADOWLAND in which he is possessed by a demon, builds the Foot Clan and dies (before getting better and going on a "hobo redemption quest"). Moon Knight's sanity undergoes the same thing. He has to get crazier than the last run where he was crazier than the run before that, until he becomes a shallow parody of himself like Wolverine, Punisher, and Deadpool often are. It's a dead end. Why doesn't Marvel care about their franchises and become capable of seeing anything that isn't 5 inches in front of them? They're as near sighted as a rhino sometimes.

I'm not saying that Moon Knight has to always be the model of sanity. He's had the "four personalities" angle since the 70's and 80's. The idea that, for a while, he was "Jake Lockley" and not Specter for a while was interesting. But I truly feel that much as Iron Fist's mystical heritage was ripe fodder for Brubaker & Fraction, the Khonshu stuff is ripe for some Moon Knight creator to play with. It's classic pulp; and that's good. Believe it or not Marvel doesn't have too many long lasting, sort of recognizable pulp heroes. Instead, though, they keep Marc in the "crazy Batman in white" box that gets smaller every time they use it.

Ugh. I knew I'd be right. There was a sliver of me that didn't want to be, but I knew I was. I'm not buying this; not unless the reviews are AMAZINGLY awesome. But even then...I may have came around on Dan Slott's Big Time, but to me Slott is in a different league than Bendis. And the sad thing is, even Slott wasn't a fan of the Khonshu stuff. Why can we have a Marvel Universe where gods like Hercules and Thor walk the streets and Valkyrie wears a leather jacket and fights henchmen, but a guy empowered by a hard to please Egyptian god is a step too far?

 

[Hound55]

Ugh... I'm choking on my own rage here...

Worst part is that if it doesn't sell Marvel will probably chalk it up to the character rather than pinning the blame on Bendis and he'll practically kill the character...

I want Slott...

 

[Tron Bonne]

Well, to be fair, it probably is a lack of interest in the character if it fails. It's the reason his Spider-Woman series went down in flames, after all. Bendis is big, and with Maleev, they can sell anything that people have an interest in, but it doesn't matter how big the team is; if there's no interest, there's no interest.

 

[kguillou]

Thats true, i mean i definitely think you can elevate any character out of obscurity, but making them popular is a whole other thing. Some characters just aren't meant to be anything more than a niche favorite. I mean look at what Brubaker, Fraction and Aja did with Ironfist. Honestly, I don't think anyone could have done any better of a job revamping a character. And yet, the series still sold poorly BUT was at least garnering tremendous acclaim and gave Ironfist solid relevance in the MU.

I think Moon Knight has the potential to be bigger than what he is now....but not THAT much bigger. Again, he's just one of those niche characters....but i'd love to be proven wrong. I mean...look at how far Thor's come.

 

[roach]

Sadly this will probably sell

 

[Watchman]

I like the idea that Moon Knight is probably going to be confronting his imagenery personalities inside his head, but dressing up as them? Really?

They have to fit in Spider-Man and Wolverine somehow. I'll check it out. Maleev tends to bring out the best in Bendis who works best these more street level crime books.

 

[Drz]

They have to fit in Spider-Man and Wolverine somehow. I'll check it out. Maleev tends to bring out the best in Bendis who works best these more street level crime books.

In Ultimate Spider-Man, Bendis had the inner personalities discussing and at times fightning the Ronin personality at times, i thought this would be a good case to have MK, Wolverine, Spidey and Steve argue in MK's head, but him dressing up as one is abit too weird and crazy maybe? I'll wait and see what ultimately happens.

 

[Watchman]

Ha, I remember that. That's back when I read Ultimate Spider-Man, memories. Dressing up as these people doesn't irk me in the slightest.

 

[Hound55]

Well, to be fair, it probably is a lack of interest in the character if it fails. It's the reason his Spider-Woman series went down in flames, after all. Bendis is big, and with Maleev, they can sell anything that people have an interest in, but it doesn't matter how big the team is; if there's no interest, there's no interest.

Not too big to fail if he pushes a ****** idea... and this does sound truly atrocious. I can only hope that its implemented a lot better than the raw concept points read...

 

[Tron Bonne]

Not too big to fail if he pushes a ****** idea... and this does sound truly atrocious. I can only hope that its implemented a lot better than the raw concept points read...

He kind of is. His Avengers titles have been constant top sellers since he started. He's definitely big enough to sell just about anything that the GA can invest enough interest in, and Maleev is pretty big in his own right, too. If MK can possibly reach a broader audience to sell, this is the team to do whether it's gold or crud.

Thats true, i mean i definitely think you can elevate any character out of obscurity, but making them popular is a whole other thing. Some characters just aren't meant to be anything more than a niche favorite. I mean look at what Brubaker, Fraction and Aja did with Ironfist. Honestly, I don't think anyone could have done any better of a job revamping a character. And yet, the series still sold poorly BUT was at least garnering tremendous acclaim and gave Ironfist solid relevance in the MU.

I think Moon Knight has the potential to be bigger than what he is now....but not THAT much bigger. Again, he's just one of those niche characters....but i'd love to be proven wrong. I mean...look at how far Thor's come.

Thor's always been a mainstream and popular character, though. I wouldn't really call him a niche character or anything. He's had his financial bumps and such, but nothing to make him that low on the chain.

 

[kguillou]

That is true. Well with that said, Moon Knight does have alot of potential. I mean he's essentially a crazier Batman, and we all know how the public nowadays love them some Batman. I do love Moon Knight's psychosis, but i think this is taking it a bit too far.

 

[kguillou]

That is true. Well with that said, Moon Knight does have alot of potential. I mean he's essentially a crazier Batman, and we all know how the public nowadays love them some Batman. I do love Moon Knight's psychosis, but i think this is taking it a bit too far.

 

[Max J Power]

Here we go, will people rage or love these changes:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/bendis-maleev-moon-knight-110210.html

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30774

- Moon Knight is a TV producer in LA, this funds his operation.
- He has made Wolverine, Captain America and Spider-Man personalities for himself.
- Alot of criminals have moved to LA due to the overpopulation of capes in New York.
- Mystery villain will be the Kingpin of LA
- The personalities will be slightly exaggerated, so will we see MK thinking Steve as a saint or über soldier?
- Frenchie and Marlene will be supporting characters, new ones too obviously.
- Daredevil is 10/10 darkness, Moon Knight will be 8/10 dark character in Bendis terms.
- "Will we see the other heroes reacting to Moon Knight's actions? Bendis said yes, and that he'd love to see Wolverine open the paper and read about something he's done in LA, and that Steve Rogers might be annoyed with Moon Knight wearing his costume." <-- Oh he's actually going to wear their costumes? Hilarious.
- No Konshu, it will be "anonymous" whenever it's real, but not play that heavy part on him.
- LA Kingpin isn't the Hood, but someone Bendis has written before.
- Mr. Hyde, Thundra and Titania will appear.
- Wrapping things up, Brevoort points out that Moon Knight #1 is an "oversized first issue, a full-on double-sized first issue."

I'm OK with all of these points except the bolded, which I think will be enough to put me off the series unless the reviews are really good.

 

[venom892]

Eh I knew I should be worried about what Bendis would come up with.I'll give it a arc.