Comics The Official Origin of the Species / Sinister 666 thread.

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah, a new born baby getting bounced around that much. Pretty much dead in under a minute, superbaby or not. Gwen died from neck trauma from a bridge fall, a new born? Not a chance to live.

 

[shinlyle]

Yeah, a new born baby getting bounced around that much. Pretty much dead in under a minute, superbaby or not. Gwen died from neck trauma from a bridge fall, a new born? Not a chance to live.

I was wondering why no one else had mentioned this. It's like that movie "Shoot'em Up" a few years back. That baby's brains would have been scrambled. A new born...? It wouldn't have lasted mroe than two flips and one jerk, and that would be it.

 

[Themanofbat]

I guess if we can suspend our beliefs that a man can crawl on walls and swing throughout the city, then maybe we can pretend that lil'gobby can survive a massive villain attack while safe in the arms of Spidey.

 

[moraldeficiency]

he has spider-powers, they don't negate crib death. When you're immediately born your neck is extremely fragile, this is true for any mammals. I guess we could suspend disbelief except that there's that pesky gwen incident. Jostling a kid around is extremely dangerous, webswinging would certainly be fatal. Pete's smart and he's already had someone die in a similar manner that was a full grown adult. It's not the biggest hole in the story, why carlie is likable trumps that by a lot. I was just saying.

 

[Shockdingo]

Maybe they'll just say that pure goblin serum babies have adamantium bones. It's pretty ridiculous considering some of the characters he's fought (Rhino slamming him into a wall, yea that'd send enough shockwaves through Spidey'd body into the baby to probably kill a bear) I think it would have been a bit better story wise if he had gotten the baby to a secure location, but had to fight off all the baddies in a Tower defense style way or a Gauntlet of Sorts. I don't know, I think I was looking for more of a "spidey fights all his villains to the standstill using the best of his powers, strategies etc" type thing.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I agree. Pete putting the baby somewhere safe then unable to run away as waves of supers attacked would have been a much better story then him runnning away with the kid.

 

[Shockdingo]

MD: You could also probably find some way to spin it at the end that has a dynamic bloodied and exhausted Pete standing victorious and then the media (who's had their eyes glued to the screen) all unanimously get it through their thick ungrateful skulls that Spidey is a hero. (Not all of them obviously, but a larger than usual percentage) This then leads him to getting more positive press. (I mean really, being an Avenger isn't enough for some people?) I guess you could say the 'audience' felt that the Avengers were just looking for a member drive, some affirmative action like situation for Street level Heroes, or him 'being reformed from being a menace', anyways, this selfless situation solidified his heroism in their eyes. Then you could have longtime average joe supporters come out and snap at the long time critics. (I.E. if it's a news show and they're doing the epilogue, have callers in do this, or do it from multiple sources; news shows, people talking in bars or schools, etc) Showcase great moments were they cite classic moments that show Spidey's ALWAYS been a hero, then bam, he's ready for big time and a new age of Spidey is born.

Or something. I haven't really written a good story in years, I'm more of an idea man really.

 

[moraldeficiency]

That would have been much better.

Personally I would have liked to see Pete knocking ock out of the hospital. Then Ock calls in the troops to wear Pete down. I love your media idea. Then at the end, triumphant Pete get's beat down by ock who steals the baby. Instead of arresting him or anything the cops and everyone treat Peter leaving his mask on. He wakes up in the hospital still wearing his mask surronded by the avengers and FF who explain why their asses were too busy to help and promising next time they'll have his back like he's always had theirs. Epilogue one, Norman in jail getting the news, making a phone call to a mysterious someone to get his son and kill anyone that gets in the way. Epilogue two, Ock looking at the child's blood under a microscope, "fascinating, this is going to change everything...

I think we've got a story here. Minus out the massive Waid exposition explaining that the sky is blue for us, and change the artist and Origin of the Species could have been really good.

 

[mre]

I was wondering why no one else had mentioned this. It's like that movie "Shoot'em Up" a few years back. That baby's brains would have been scrambled. A new born...? It wouldn't have lasted mroe than two flips and one jerk, and that would be it.

I love that movie. Who needs realism?

 

[Donald Thomas]

I love that movie. Who needs realism?

Aloha,
Isn't this the baby of a man who was able to survive being impaled-and a mother juiced up on the same formula?Guess Doc Ock knows something we don't.
Spidey rules

 

[moraldeficiency]

yes, the baby is, but it's a newborn, and if ock knew about the kid he wouldn't be kidnapping him right?

 

[Dragon]

Aloha,
Isn't this the baby of a man who was able to survive being impaled-and a mother juiced up on the same formula?Guess Doc Ock knows something we don't.
Spidey rules

And then, if the baby is that durable, then why does Spidey need to risk life and limb not to mention risk dangers to the general populace to protect him? No matter how you slice it, this story is the same old stupidiity.

Especially when you factor in that both the baby's parents have devoted a great deal of energy to trying to kill Spidey. He should know that tis is going down a road that wil once aain leave him screwed.

 

[mre]

Yeah, like Spidey wouldn't try to protect a newborn baby.

 

[Donald Thomas]

And then, if the baby is that durable, then why does Spidey need to risk life and limb not to mention risk dangers to the general populace to protect him? No matter how you slice it, this story is the same old stupidiity.

Especially when you factor in that both the baby's parents have devoted a great deal of energy to trying to kill Spidey. He should know that tis is going down a road that wil once aain leave him screwed.

Aloha,
Have a nice day!
Spidey rules

 

[Dragon]

Yeah, like Spidey wouldn't try to protect a newborn baby.

What's the point if what he's doing is as dangerous to the child as the criminals' intentions?

 

[Themanofbat]

And then, if the baby is that durable, then why does Spidey need to risk life and limb not to mention risk dangers to the general populace to protect him? No matter how you slice it, this story is the same old stupidiity.

Because it's still a baby, and what did you expect? That the new born could defend itself against Doc Ock?

Sheesh...

 

[Themanofbat]

What's the point if what he's doing is as dangerous to the child as the criminals' intentions?

Obviously, Spidey has a more delicate touch than you could imagine...

 

[Dragon]

Because it's still a baby, and what did you expect? That the new born could defend itself against Doc Ock?

Sheesh...

I expect that someone with Spidey's experience would come up with a better plan than the one he embarks on.
Anyway, it's not a baby. It's the demon seed of a pair of murderous psychopaths.

Obviously, Spidey has a more delicate touch than you could imagine...

No, he has a team of hacks generating these stories.

 

[mre]

What plan though? He just happened to be bombarded by a woman giving birth and like 5 super villains, while he is having coffee with his friends. The only thing to do in that situation is run.
And I believe he is trying to get the baby to the Avengers, which is probably the safest place for him. Yeah, he could get someone else to transport the baby, but who can get across town faster than Spidey? (We've all played the video games right?) Plus what happens when they realize Spidey doesn't have the baby and they start chasing some regular person.
I am more shocked that since this is on the news, that every superhero in town hasn't lent a hand by now. That's what is unbelievable. Especially since he is on two Avengers teams. Not one of his team-mates has heard about the biggest news story of the day?

 

[Dragon]

Well, surveying the ridiculous situation; You have Harry there- he's superhuman and could help. There's a Goblin flyer there. And hell, even the baby's freakshow of a mother. She too is superhuman. If her baby can survive the events, then she, with her healing factor should be able to contribute something to help protect her hellspawn. If indeed Spidey's intention is to protect this little monster, then he'd do well to marshall all of the availabe forces. He could also have Carlie help to explain the situation to the cops so as to keep them off his back, and maybe even help against the crooks.

Of course I know that this scenario has to be tough on Spidey. I'm just sick of every situation being stacked against him based mostly on his and others' stupidiity.

 

[Themanofbat]

I think Harry & Lily were put "out of commision" temporarily by Doc Ock's tentacles... hence Spidey going on the lamb...

 

[Dragon]

Temporarily being the operative word. Since both Harry and Lily have fought Spidey to standstills, if he can escape Ock, so can they. Especially considering the desperation and rage a mother would feel having her baby literally torn from her womb.

 

[mre]

I think if Lilly were going to transform into Menace, she'd have done it by now. Does Spider-Man have to ask her to transform or something?

 

[storyteller]

Harry is not like Norman. He does not have Super strength or any of his goblin powers. He is for right now just a normal human being. Lily was probably drained to hell from the delivery. Hell she was already running from Ock.

Now as to the newborns durability. Ock may know something more about the baby. I don't think he's just going

"Well the dad took goblin serum, the mom took it, I guess the kid must be super duper special that I need to trash new york to get the kid as opposed to seeking mystical help or what not for my condition"

He may have had access to files monitoring the mother and baby during gestation.

Also back to durability. When Lilly transforms, the baby can transform as well. She was able to have a slim figure even though she was like 7 months pregnant. So the Baby probably has the durability to swing with spiderman around the city.


Also lets be smart here. Spiderman can not face his entire rogue gallery in one area. Remember that his plan was to get the kid to avengers mansion or tower. Why the hell Captain America, Hulk, Thor, Iron Man , Ms Marvel, Luke Cage...... aren't like with him after the incident got flashed all over tv is beyond me.

 

[Dragon]

Harry is like Norman and does have super strength. The reason he's alive (and also died ) is because of the goblin formula.

And actually, it would be a smarter strategy for Spidey to stay in one area and fight the Sinisters. They'd be limited in what they could do, simply because they could injure each other. Not to mention that being shaky egos, they wouldn't be able to work as a team.

I'm not in anyway saying this situation makes sense. It's completely idiotic. This story concept would've made the guys running DC back in the 60's and 70's blush.

"A pregnant woman crashes into a coffee shop on a Goblin flyer" sounds like- and really is- the opening of a bad joke. However, even in a scenario this stupid, Spidey should be able to strategize. But the story follows the the founding rule of BND- Spidey is an dumbass and his every reaction wil be the wrong one just to spread these stories out for as long as possible.