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The Official Punisher by Rick Remender / Punisher MAX thread

I would die for Fernandez or Larosa to draw for Punisher MAX full time. Fernandez is my favourite: his art is so perfect for this title it's like a dream come true.

Steve Dillon is great but his art is not even remotely realistic or gritty, which is what MAX is all about!! Man, this "re-launch" idea is like a punch to the balls. Ennis rebuilt The Punisher from the ground up over the last 9 years and to just throw that to the wind to "bring in new readers" seems stupid if you ask me.
 
Yeah I like Aaron so I'll probably get these in trade. Does kinda suck that Punisher Max won't have an uninterrupted run. They are doing the same to Ult. Spidey which also pisses me off.
 
Also i'm still not sure how I feel about incorporating other Marvel characters into the Max line.
 
Also i'm still not sure how I feel about incorporating other Marvel characters into the Max line.

That's another thing that bothers me a little, but I sort of expected it since the minute Ennis left Marvel just couldn't resist throwing Jigsaw back into it. I just hope the new writer handles the characters well and doesn't make it all cheesy or dumb. If they handle it like they handled Jigsaw in Girls in White Dresses then it'll be fine.

Still, Ennis proved The Punisher doesn't need other mainstream Marvel characters to fall back on. He created all new memorable villains for Frank to plow through and it worked just fine. Bleh.
 
Yeah characters like Nicky Cavella, Rawlins, Barracuda etc rocked because they were brand new. The reader had no pre conceptions. With characters like Bullseye and the Kingpin, Aaron can deviate somewhat but he still has a fairly rigid bluebrint that he has to follow.
 
Well, since the MAX line is not in Marvel continuity, writers could possibly kill off Bullseye and Kingpin.
 
I'd like to see Bullseye Max, just because if done well he's someone that can aim a gun and fight without one, unlike most of the bad guys in Punisher Max.

As long as he's not killing people with paper clips or stuff like that, I'd be okay with Frank going up against a guy throwing knives, ninja stars, broken off chair legs, pool balls, etc, with extreme accuracy.
 
no kidding. I wish they'd make an in continuity Punisher MAX.
 
The more I think about it, the more the relaunch pisses me off.

Also, I know MAX isn't technically in 616 continuity (however, someone should tell the handbook writers that) but it SHOULD be. I'd take the MAX Punisher over the white boots/gloves Punisher any day. And before someone cries foul, the original Punisher Warzone (circa 1993) is one of my favorite series printed about the character.
 
I don't mind it being not in continuity, but only because the current Punisher title that is in continuity is incredible in it's own right. I actually love that MAX takes place in it's own little universe.
 
There is definitely room for both versions of the Punisher. I like the grim, gritty and ultra violent real world take on the MAX series, but I also like the spandex clad Punisher in the 616 Universe. I'm just glad all three movies he wasn't wearing the white boots and gloves.
 
The current Punisher series is kinda bothering me. We all know the Hood can kill the Punisher easily. He gives the New Avengers a hard time yet Frank is too much for him. It's way too mismatched and we know both the Hood and Frank aren't going to die in this series... thats why they resurrected a bunch of dead villains so they can die again. I think everything else Rick Remender is doing with this series is great, but I don't really like how he's writing/using the Hood.
 
Anyone been reading "Welcome to the Bayou"? I think it's amazing and so close to Ennis' writing that you could swear it was Ennis himself. And I love the art. I really don't see why they need to reboot MAX if they continue with stories like this.

A nice breath of fresh air after that horrible 6 Hours to Kill.
 
Anyone been reading "Welcome to the Bayou"? I think it's amazing and so close to Ennis' writing that you could swear it was Ennis himself. And I love the art. I really don't see why they need to reboot MAX if they continue with stories like this.

A nice breath of fresh air after that horrible 6 Hours to Kill.

"Welcome To The Bayou" has been great so far. Better than "Girls in White Dresses" and i'd imagine much better than "6 Hours To Kill" as i HATED the artwork and decided not to buy it(plus the reviews of it that i've been hearing show that i wasn't wrong). This has been a very fun read.

Did anyone pick up Punisher Noir #1? Pretty interesting, though we'll see how it plays out later issues. Solid writing and art.
 
There should only be one Punisher title and it should be Punisher MAX. #1-60 by Ennis were incredible. I missed most of Six Hours to Kill but Welcome to the Bayou was awesome. I like Goran Parlov's art. I'm looking forward to the relaunch.
 
2 titles are fine. I love the MAX and I like seeing the Punisher back in the MU. Plus according to Mark Millar he is going to have a huge thing in Ultimate Avengers with Hawkeye coming up.
 
''Putting the PUNISHER Back Together With Rick Remender''

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Nrama: What sorts of villainy will Franken-Castle be up against in this story arc?

Remender: We have an entirely new villain and he’s tied into a very awesome part of Marvel’s tradition that I don’t want to reveal just yet but this villain is a monster-killing machine. Basically, he’s after something one of the monsters has. His family was slaughtered by a pack of werewolves in 1914 forcing him to kill his family and his village before they transformed into monsters...I don’t want to go too far into the origin stuff—people will have to check it out for themselves.

Nrama: What sorts of fun did you and your cohort Tony Moore have when you were laying out these issues? Did the two of you approach this project any differently than projects you’ve worked on together in the past?

Remender: You know, the great thing about working with a buddy like Tony is the amount of time we’ve spent together that makes our work come together so effortlessly. We know that if it excites us—and we both get really full of bubbling nerd enthusiasm—that we’re on the right path and no matter how frightening it might be in terms of “Are they going to like this?” we know what we think is a good comic book and imaginative effort—while staying true to the integrity of Frank Castle. It’s of the utmost importance that he stays Frank Castle.

Franken-Castle is one of those ideas that we knew as we were bouncing ideas back and forth and getting excited about them; we just knew this idea was going to be great. This is easily Tony’s best work ever. He’s just astounding.

To answer your question, no, we didn’t really do anything differently. We have a really nice collaborative process together that we’ve developed by working together over the past five years now—and we’ve been friends for ten years now. It’s really nice to work with a friend on something of this caliber and to have Marvel getting behind it the way that they are. This is a project that Punisher fans have not seen before. We’re really excited.


The fun thing about the Marvel Universe is that everyone knows that a good character like the Punisher isn’t going to stay dead forever and ever and ever. In most cases, the character is taken off the board for a while and then readers see how the character fights its way back to prominence. That’s the fun of this sort of story; this type of story is one of key reasons why Marvel Comics—and comic books in general—are fun. As far as full-blown imagination and fantasy goes, that’s what we’ve got going on for Punisher for the next couple of years; it’s Frank Castle still being the guy he is. I mean, in issue #10, he put a gun to the back of Firebrand’s head and forced him to torch Castle’s family instead of having them resurrected by these evil means...that’s Frank Castle. We’re going to be putting Frank into situations that will actually open up possibilities for potentially bigger stories like these. There is a new kind of slaughter-fest on the horizon for Frank, that’s the best way I can put it for now.

Nrama: How did you come up with this idea of merging the Punisher with an iconic character like Frankenstein?

Remender: It goes back to something Jason Aaron, Matt Fraction, Tony Moore, and I had been batting around—pitching a Ghost Rider/Wolverine/Punisher series—and, as we were putting together ideas, I had come up with this idea of a “Monster Metropolis” underneath New York. Marvel has all these great monsters and they’re all scattered all over the place; why not have them all living in one central place, giving them this central mission? We had discussed the possibility of making Frank into the Spirit of Vengeance and tying him into all the cool stuff Jason is doing over in Ghost Rider. As we were developing stuff, Tony drew this picture of Frank in this sort of gangly, destroyed half-robot body and we started talking Frankenstein’s involvement. Over time, that project was sort of shelved and we all got a little too busy to do it.
 
Up until the relaunch, I thought Punisher Max was in the 616 continuity, since it seemed Welcome Back, Frank and the Marvel Knights series was. But seeing them finally build the Kingpin origin in the Max series, guess I was wrong. Doesn't explain Jigsaw in Girl in White Dresses then.

I don't like the current Punisher series, but with Man-Thing in it (along with the rest of the Legion of Monsters), and it being drawn by Tony Moore, I think this will warrent a purchase by trade at the very least.
 
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I've got to admit FrankenCastle has me very interested.

At first I didn't like it, but the more I think of it the better it sounds. The idea that an unpowered Frank Castle could live his whole life doing what he does and never catch a bullet or superpowered shot taking his head off always bothered me. This is a good solution which could play out pretty well.
 

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