The Official Punisher by Rick Remender / Punisher MAX thread

[NamelessNoName]

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[fat freddys cat]

Punisher MAX # 10 finally here and great read that it is am wondering ?

Bullseye finally worked out BORN ?

 

[CrimsonMist]

Punisher MAX # 10 finally here and great read that it is am wondering ?

Bullseye finally worked out BORN ?

Not sure if Bullseye figured out BORN specifically, but he's certainly figured out the inner workings of Frank's head and where it actually came from. I'm thinking that it had to be something before BORN, maybe somewhere between BORN and TYGER, actually. I'm very curious to see how exactly Bullseye uses this information, whatever it may be, to kill Frank.

I'm also really looking forward to Aaron's next arc, the one that deals entirely with Frank himself.

anyways, I read all the MAX issues again to build up to reading issue 10 and the momentum this book had going for it before 10 was delayed was tremendous. Issue 10 only took it further.

 

[cthulhu]

hey folks - anyone read the Bendis interview regarding the Moon night relaunch?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30774

the sentence thats most interesting is the following...

'Moon Knight is one of three books that are not the same thing, but have a similitarity in tone, style and approach," Brevoort said of other books coming up by A-list talent. "We're bannering them all under the banner 'Big Shots." After "Moon Knight," the other books will launch in June and July. "These are characters are not that obscure," Brevoort said. "Didn't I just ruin this by saying Matt [Fraction] is doing Rocket Raccoon and Ed [Brubaker]'s doing Rom Space Knight?" Bendis joked.'

would the other books be Daredevil and the Punisher? The 'similitarity in tone, style and approach' could be the same with each. So if Bendis is doing MK, and Brubaker finishing Secret Avengers soon, freeing him up and with him having written Daredevil before does this mean he will be coming to the Punisher? Reading between the lines it looks like a good possibility...

 

[CrimsonMist]

hey folks - anyone read the Bendis interview regarding the Moon night relaunch?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30774

the sentence thats most interesting is the following...

'Moon Knight is one of three books that are not the same thing, but have a similitarity in tone, style and approach," Brevoort said of other books coming up by A-list talent. "We're bannering them all under the banner 'Big Shots." After "Moon Knight," the other books will launch in June and July. "These are characters are not that obscure," Brevoort said. "Didn't I just ruin this by saying Matt [Fraction] is doing Rocket Raccoon and Ed [Brubaker]'s doing Rom Space Knight?" Bendis joked.'

would the other books be Daredevil and the Punisher? The 'similitarity in tone, style and approach' could be the same with each. So if Bendis is doing MK, and Brubaker finishing Secret Avengers soon, freeing him up and with him having written Daredevil before does this mean he will be coming to the Punisher? Reading between the lines it looks like a good possibility...

I really hope so. What with Daredevil essentially returning back to normal around that time and Remender's Punisher stuff concluding in a few months, it's a good possibility, made more so by the fact that Fraction has admitted to not "getting" the Punisher and Brubaker having had a great handle on him during his time on Daredevil.

I really hope it happens. Brubaker with Michael Lark on art duties, FTW!

 

[fat freddys cat]

Hmmmm , NO as much as I would like Bendis to write the Punisher

( and Bendis has wrote the ultimate version before, and like A one off of the MU616 Punisher)

It will not be him/Bendis writes Frank Castle , pity cause Bendis started of being a crime writer he cut his teeth on AKA Goldfish,

but if he had wanted too write the Punisher it would have been years ago, in fact I think I have an interview with Bendis saying he was not keen on Frank Castles character, which always seemed kind of silly to me for a Marvel crime baised writer ,

Bit like Brubaker not knowing who the Punisher was untill he wrote his first Daredevil arc ( set in prison) and put the Punisher in the story , and with respect done a great job.

No have to say If Bendis wanted too write the Punisher it would have happened YEARS AGO, in the MU 616,

no it will be one of the up coming writers, just lets hope it's not an other complete balls up like Fraction done....

 

[cthulhu]

Cool - http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30889

the Punisher is getting a relaunch my crystal ball says Brubaker...

 

[kguillou]

Yet another Punisher #1? Well, if Brubaker's writing it, i cant lie i'd be interested. But if its gonna stick this time Brubaker's gonna have to seriously revamp the Punisher. The whole "ruthless, emotionless killing machine" thing is getting old.

 

[Drz]

Coolio!

 

[Shockdingo]

Glad to hear Frank will get a new series instead of venturing into limbo. Could be awesome!

The whole "ruthless, emotionless killing machine" thing is getting old.

Agreed, that's why I hope Henry sticks around, there could be some really interesting stuff if Frank, while still being stern, begins to open up and somewhat treat Henry like a son rather than just another techie. Given all the past allies, having someone who could be his son's age could have an affect on him and positively evolve Frank. BUT....no more of this "Am I a monster?" crap that some of the writers keep trying to push. Frank wont ask that of himself unless he uncharacteristically botches something major leading to innocents dying.

 

[kguillou]

I agree Shockdingo, but the most important thing is writers need to start giving Frank an emotional journey that readers can latch onto. Otherwise, whats the point in reading a character thats as empty as a robot? I'm not saying make him soft, or constantly moping (like Daredevil), but give the reader some reason to care about Frank.

 

[runawayboulder]

My wish-list for new writer is:

Lapham
Brubaker
Diggle - who's regaining my faith slowly with DD: Reborn. It's been pretty good so far.

 

[Shockdingo]

Kgillou, agreed, and yea, I don't want him playing to extremes on the emotional scale (no super mopey or super emo "WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOOOOOOR?!"/MMX4)

But giving some options wouldn't hurt. I'd be curious, what would you like to do with Frank's character Kgillou? Any plans or stories you like to see happen?

Also for everyone in this thread, what type of stories would you like? Only gritty? Or a mix up?

I think the most important thing for this book to do is balance both. I'm written previously on how you can have the gritty real stories, but at times you can take serious world issues and give them a Marvel U twist. Heroes for Hire dealt with drugs(atlantean) and gun trading (demonic/mystical). So I can see Frank dealing with an issue of sexual slavery but with mutants (if they were still around in large numbers....BENDIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!!) Atlanteans, or any other female humanoid species. I can see this genre mixing keep things interesting without falling into a retread of the last couple of decades.

By all means, give Frank a supporting cast, DON'T lose Henry. His brief interactions with him in Deadpool game of death were pretty fun.

Anyway, that's me being a broken record again. lol

Brubaker would be rather nice. Here's hoping.

 

[kguillou]

Its funny, you ask Shockidingo, i'm actually writing a Punisher story of my own, just for fun. But basically, i think Frank needs a fresh start, a new beginning. He needs to forgive himself and move on from the death of his family and start anew. I mean, the guy was just recently killed and brought back to life so now would be the PERFECT opportunity to try something new and different. He can still BE the Punisher and be badass and kill people, but he shouldnt be this emotionless, empty shell of a person that has no drive other than killing people.

Like you said, Shockdingo, give him a supporting cast, people that he can interact and bounce off of. Give him a new purpose, make him care about something and make him realize that maybe he can be something other than a monster. Sort of like Dexter, that character is so compelling because he thinks he's a monster but he doesn't want to be one, he wants to change and evolve. Thats what the Punisher needs, he needs to evolve and he needs a journey that the readers can root for.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The Punisher and Daredevil getting relaunched makes me angry.

 

[BillPardy]

The Punisher and Daredevil getting relaunched makes me angry.

And we wont like you when you're angry???...


Why's that make you angry? And personally I'd like to see old school stories like a mix of Mike Baron with Abenett and Lanning.

 

[fat freddys cat]

Cool - http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30889

the Punisher is getting a relaunch my crystal ball says Brubaker...

Good find Dude, let's hope it is Brubaker, that would be out of this world !



And prey it's not Fraction back.......

 

[hippie_hunter]

And we wont like you when you're angry???...


Why's that make you angry? And personally I'd like to see old school stories like a mix of Mike Baron with Abenett and Lanning.

Because I hate pointless relaunches. I absolutely hate them. I hate it that they have kicked Daredevil off his own book and are relaunching the character instead of rightfully putting him back on his own book. Seriously, what was the point of renumbering Daredevil back to issue #500 when they just replaced the title character and giving him a new #1 issue after 12 issues of the renumbering.

As for the Punisher, I really think that Marvel should have just renamed Franken-Castle, the Punisher with the In The Blood storyline, and go on from there, waiting to renumber the book back to it's proper numbering. I'd rather read the Punisher #300 as opposed to the Punisher #1.

 

[CrimsonMist]

C'mon, Brubaker! I really hope he's doing The Punisher. Brubaker with Michael Lark would be awesome.

I'd like to see The Punisher that we saw in Remender's first arc expanded upon. He's got all these weapons that belonged to other heroes. I'd simply do a 616 version of what Aaron is apparently going to be doing in MAX. Have the broken man reflect on who he is and have him reevaluate who and what he is and what he does.

Like other people have said, keep Henry around. He'd be around Frank JR's age, if not a little younger. Play up that relationship(and for god's sake, don't build it up just to kill him).

 

[PraetorianVIII]

Frank begins to open up and somewhat treat Henry like a son... having someone who could be his son's age could have an affect on him and positively evolve Frank... but the most important thing is writers need to start giving Frank an emotional journey.........

Good god I think I'm gonna barf... go read Wolverine (mutant man ****e of Marvel) if you want that type of character... and they need to kill off Henry and fast. The Punisher doesn't need useless pointless partners. I'm amazed that Garth Ennis was able to writer the Punisher’s character and have the comic sell when the fan base thinks this way...

 

[BillPardy]

Because I hate pointless relaunches. I absolutely hate them. I hate it that they have kicked Daredevil off his own book and are relaunching the character instead of rightfully putting him back on his own book. Seriously, what was the point of renumbering Daredevil back to issue #500 when they just replaced the title character and giving him a new #1 issue after 12 issues of the renumbering.

As for the Punisher, I really think that Marvel should have just renamed Franken-Castle, the Punisher with the In The Blood storyline, and go on from there, waiting to renumber the book back to it's proper numbering. I'd rather read the Punisher #300 as opposed to the Punisher #1.

I agree, but its the kind if thing that I really don't care about. Its just the number on the cover.

Good god I think I'm gonna barf... go read Wolverine (mutant man ****e of Marvel) if you want that type of character... and they need to kill off Henry and fast. The Punisher doesn't need useless pointless partners. I'm amazed that Garth Ennis was able to writer the Punisher’s character and have the comic sell when the fan base thinks this way...[/COLOR]

Garth Ennis's Punisher got dull after a while, the reason being that he became a very flat character.

Character's need complexity, and Frank pretty much got to the point that he was comparable to Jason (of Friday the 13), or even better the terminator.

I honestly miss the stories where I actually cared about the Frank, where he had depth. Where he was INTERESTING to read.

And if the book is going back to what it was in the 80's then hey, maybe I'll start buying it again.

(Though Franken-castle has had my interest peeked.)

 

[Shockdingo]

Good god I think I'm gonna barf... go read Wolverine (mutant man ****e of Marvel) if you want that type of character... and they need to kill off Henry and fast. The Punisher doesn't need useless pointless partners. I'm amazed that Garth Ennis was able to writer the Punisher’s character and have the comic sell when the fan base thinks this way...

Well I was hoping to inspire discussion. You don't have to like my ideas in the least, but I'd be curious to see what you'd do with Frank? Okay, so you don't want Frank to open up to Henry. That's fine, but what would you do to evolve Frank? I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to see what you have in mind. The thing is, it's 2011, Frank's getting a new book I'm stoked, but I don't want them to write the same old stories.

 

[kguillou]

Frank begins to open up and somewhat treat Henry like a son... having someone who could be his son's age could have an affect on him and positively evolve Frank... but the most important thing is writers need to start giving Frank an emotional journey.........

Good god I think I'm gonna barf... go read Wolverine (mutant man ****e of Marvel) if you want that type of character... and they need to kill off Henry and fast. The Punisher doesn't need useless pointless partners. I'm amazed that Garth Ennis was able to writer the Punisher’s character and have the comic sell when the fan base thinks this way...

Dude the thing is how long can you read about a ruthless, emotionless, wooden killing machine before it gets old? If the reader has nothing to latch onto then they're not going to be invested in the character. There is no complexity to the character. This is why the Punisher's books don't sell, writers insist on portraying him as this walking death machine that lives only to kill and nothing else.

Again, i'm not saying make him soft, but give the guy some sense of purpose for god's sake.

 

[BillPardy]

Dude the thing is how long can you read about a ruthless, emotionless, wooden killing machine before it gets old? If the reader has nothing to latch onto then they're not going to be invested in the character. There is no complexity to the character. This is why the Punisher's books don't sell, writers insist on portraying him as this walking death machine that lives only to kill and nothing else.

Again, i'm not saying make him soft, but give the guy some sense of purpose for god's sake.

Exactly. The thing is he did slowly become more and more aggressive (at least that is how I feel) and that WAS a natural progression, but... they wrote their way into a bag.

 

[kguillou]

Honestly, now that the Punisher's died and come back to life, they need to take this opportunity to give Frank a fresh start. Take him back to square one and give him a sense of purpose, motivation and (*gasp*) a little sympathy. Then readers will care about him.