Age of Ultron The Official Scarlet Witch Thread - Part 1

[Figs]

Well I happen to know feige's on this board a lot, so in a way you just told him his idea was "stupid". No need to bring it up again.

You know Feige?

Also, yes, I do think his idea was stupid.

 

[Figs]

The laws of physics and science are non existent in the MCU. The fact that the Hulk exists is a testament to that. The Hulk isn't any less scientific than Dr. Strange's spells. Both would be impossible to explain through science in the real world, so in a way if the Hulk actually existed in our world he would be a magical occurrence. People probably wouldn't think of it that way though, because magic has a certain connotation attached to it, which I guess is the reason people have a hard time accepting magic as advanced science in the MCU, because in their heads magic and science (even fiction science) "look" different.

Your comparison should be flipped around. You should have said Strange's spells aren't any less scientific than Hulk. Hulk can be explained with science(in the fictional world of movies and comics). Basically radiation can cause his cells to mutate and change. In the real world if magic/mystic arts existed, I doubt science would be able to explain it, those things are technically on another level. That doesn't change the fact that they don't even need to "explain" magic in these movies. People have been watching fantasy films for decades, not to mention they know these films are based on varied superheros. It's safe to say they would accept it as is and not stand up in the theater complaining that Dr. Strange's abilities are not science based since a number of the other characters abilities are involved with technology.

 

[Son of Coul]

Who cares? The way we define in-movie illusions/magic is all just semantics that bear little-to-no consequence on the movies themselves.

 

[X Knight]

it would be pretty neat if somehow Scarlet tied into Dr. Strange's film.

 

[Ant-manic]

Technology is still technology and there are laws to physics and science. In short, electricity acting different in other realms is ridiculous.

i'm not sure why you believe that when they are able to walk on a rainbow in Asgard. light apparently works differently there.

 

[Ant-manic]

I got it now.

If I were to ever meet Feige I would ask him what in the hell made him come up with such a stupid idea. There was no reason they couldn't have kept science and magic seperate...as it should be.

it's not even separate in the comic books.

 

[drod1985]

If I were to ever meet Feige I would ask him what in the hell made him come up with such a stupid idea. There was no reason they couldn't have kept science and magic seperate...as it should be.

Feige came up with that to aid the general audience in what's probably the most crucial aspect of a CBM: suspension of disbelief. For non-comic book readers, modernizing a Norse god and sticking him in the tech-based world of Iron Man and TIH needed some grounding. That "science=magic" concept probably helped seal the deal on a lot of the general audience's suspension of disbelief.

Now Marvel has their feet under them regarding "magic" in the MCU, and they can continue to flesh it out via characters like Dr. Strange with little-to-no explanation.

 

[Majik1387]

I guarantee you the average movie going audience does not believe or even think of Thor or his universe as "advanced technology" with the rainbow road so similar to the popular Mario Kart games, to the 'shapeshifting' Loki that most audiences most likely group with Mystique, to the use of giants and dark elves.

Feige can think/say whatever he wants, but the movies do not follow his thought process of logic of powers.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I guarantee you the average movie going audience does not believe or even think of Thor or his universe as "advanced technology" with the rainbow road so similar to the popular Mario Kart games, to the 'shapeshifting' Loki that most audiences most likely group with Mystique, to the use of giants and dark elves.

Feige can think/say whatever he wants, but the movies do not follow his thought process of logic of powers.

I guarantee you the average movie going audience does not believe or even think of Iron Man or his universe as "advanced technology" with the Iron Monger armor so similar to the popular Metal Gear games, to the 'shapeshifting' Bruce Banner/Hulk, to the use of giants like Hulk and genetically modified super soldiers that breath fire....

Your argument makes no sense and has no basis. Sooo many holes.

 

[gugumugats]

So, how about that Scarlet Witch?

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

So, how about that Scarlet Witch?

Elizabeth Olsen is going to kill it.

 

[Majik1387]

I guarantee you the average movie going audience does not believe or even think of Iron Man or his universe as "advanced technology" with the Iron Monger armor so similar to the popular Metal Gear games, to the 'shapeshifting' Bruce Banner/Hulk, to the use of giants like Hulk and genetically modified super soldiers that breath fire....

Your argument makes no sense and has no basis. Sooo many holes.

Not at all, your argument makes no sense as your examples are what you consider "advanced science" other than the fire breathing super soldiers and real Mandarin. And even that fire breathing is recognized as not being in the same vein as 'advanced science' just like rainbow road, Loki's powers, and mythological creatures.

So, how about that Scarlet Witch?

Elizabeth Olsen is going to kill it.

That she will, with all her magic.

 

[Keyser Soze]

You can definitely see that Scarlet Witch is gonna have shades of River Tam...

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Not at all, your argument makes no sense as your examples are what you consider "advanced science" other than the fire breathing super soldiers and real Mandarin. And even that fire breathing is recognized as not being in the same vein as 'advanced science' just like rainbow road, Loki's powers, and mythological creatures.

I can't argue against this because your post is all over the place. Ever heard of structure? What the hell are you saying?

That she will, with all her magic.

Fail attempt at a jab. You still don't get it.

 

[TheVision]

I think its safe to say Ms. Scarlet Witch will have us all under her spell when AOU comes out.

 

[Figs]

Feige came up with that to aid the general audience in what's probably the most crucial aspect of a CBM: suspension of disbelief. For non-comic book readers, modernizing a Norse god and sticking him in the tech-based world of Iron Man and TIH needed some grounding. That "science=magic" concept probably helped seal the deal on a lot of the general audience's suspension of disbelief.

I already talked about this in one of my previous posts. I'll say again, the general audience have seen numerous fantasy/magical films for decades now. They didn't need that explanation to help with suspension of disbelief. Once again, as I said before, I think they realize anything can happen in these movies simply because of the fact that they're based on comic book characters.

To me this is that mentality where hardcore fans think the general audience is entirely made up of idiots who need every detail explained.

i'm not sure why you believe that when they are able to walk on a rainbow in Asgard. light apparently works differently there.

The rainbow bridge in Asgard is an actual physical bridge with light running through it. You can see this when Thor has to use Mjolnir to break through it. It's not a bridge made up of pure light as far as I could tell.

it's not even separate in the comic books.

I'm not being a smart ass when I ask this. Did they actually explain Strange's abilities in a scientific manner in the comics? I always thought magic in the comics was actual magic and not something based on tech or actual science like the movies.

Either way, I can't wait to see the physical aspects of Wanda's powers.

 

[Ant-manic]

The rainbow bridge in Asgard is an actual physical bridge with light running through it. You can see this when Thor has to use Mjolnir to break through it. It's not a bridge made up of pure light as far as I could tell.

so what was it made out of?

I'm not being a smart ass when I ask this. Did they actually explain Strange's abilities in a scientific manner in the comics? I always thought magic in the comics was actual magic and not something based on tech or actual science like the movies.

not Strange. it was Doctor Doom and Henry Pym that referenced it being another science; an older science.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/127692/3574454-hank+pym+defeats+loki+1.jpg

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2013/10/AC031.jpg

 

[universeman]

She will also have Jarvis/Vision under her spell too [BLACKOUT]which might be Ultron's downfall because Jarvis/Vision will destroy him to save her in the name of Love t: [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Figs]

so what was it made out of?

Something solid like a bridge in real life. I just don't believe that it was made entirely out of light and they were somehow able to walk across it.

 

[X Knight]

I think its safe to say Ms. Scarlet Witch will have us all under her spell when AOU comes out.

yep!! t:

 

[Ant-manic]

She will also have Jarvis/Vision under her spell too [BLACKOUT]which might be Ultron's downfall because Jarvis/Vision will destroy him to save her in the name of Love t: [/BLACKOUT]

i hope that he plays Peter Cetera while doing it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWHOF_0-6Hg&feature=player_detailpage

 

[Skyfall]

I heard ScarJo didn't renew her contract. I wonder if SW is being groomed to be the new female lead on Avengers.

 

[metaphysician]

Sigh. I suppose its that time again:

Science is not technology. Science is not physics. Science is a process of understanding the universe, by observing and studying what *is*. Anything that can be observed, is subject to scientific understanding.

So, is the stuff Loki does magic? Yes. Is it science? From the Asgardian perspective, *yes*. These are not contradictory.

 

[Chewy]

I heard ScarJo didn't renew her contract. I wonder if SW is being groomed to be the new female lead on Avengers.

Ha, you heard that, did you?

I think SW is being groomed to be another female lead on Avengers, complementary to BW

 

[Raiden]

Ha, you heard that, did you?

I think SW is being groomed to be another female lead on Avengers, complementary to BW

I hope they will add more super heroines to MCU. I want Marvel to add Ms. Marvel to the mix as well, probably in Avengers 3.