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[buggs0268]

but lets say that WB would rather have JLA than a singer sequel you think they would search for a director that will make a story movie?
wrong IMO.

if they will replace singer then with someone who is a popcorn director.

I think they realize that with BB, it is Nolans attention to detail of the character and story is what made it such a loved film. It really got a boost when it got on cable. A lot of people didn't want to see a batman film in tthe theater becasue of Batman and Robin. That is why The Dark Knight is so anticipated. I know a lot of people that saw it first on cable and cant wait for the sequel.

I think they are going to turn it over to Peterson or someone like him. I think they realize they need action, but they need a story too, and SR taught them to respect the comics more with this.

And the word is the execs are really happy with the JLA script, and the rumors are, and I believe them to be true, that they are not happy with SR's box office take. They are also debating the interest in the sequel from the general audience.

 

[dark_b]

I think they realize that with BB, it is Nolans attention to detail of the character and story is what made it such a loved film. It really got a boost when it got on cable. A lot of people didn't want to see a batman film in tthe theater becasue of Batman and Robin. That is why The Dark Knight is so anticipated. I know a lot of people that saw it first on cable and cant wait for the sequel.

I think they are going to turn it over to Peterson or someone like him. I think they realize they need action, but they need a story too, and SR taught them to respect the comics more with this.

but buggs you know very good that history shows us that WB diesnt use their brains.

IMO nolan was still big luck

 

[buggs0268]

but buggs you know very good that history shows us that WB diesnt use their brains.

IMO nolan was still big luck

Catwoman was a product of all the infighting in the WB about superman solo VS superman VS batman. Superman VS batman was the one slated, and then when it left, they had to refill in the summer slate with a big movie, and the only one they had near anything ready was Catwoman. Catwoman was a rush job. Everything about it was rushed, and it deservedly won the razzie. They won't make that mistake again.

And they did pass on that guy sho directed Pi's batman, which was written by Miller.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I think we can all agree that Singer isn't right for the larger than life action necessary for six characters fighting at once.

I'm kind of worried about the script though in terms of character and plot. I looked up Kieran and Michele Mulroney on imdb and they haven't written any movies.

 

[Steelsheen]

I think we can all agree that Singer isn't right for the larger than life action necessary for six characters fighting at once.

I'm kind of worried about the script though in terms of character and plot. I looked up Kieran and Michele Mulroney on imdb and they haven't written any movies.

dude they wrote Mr and Mrs Smith. that's how the project got endorsed to them in the first place.

 

[GreenKToo]

http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/blog/2004/04/sundance-screenplay-readings.php

I think we can all agree that Singer isn't right for the larger than life action necessary for six characters fighting at once.

I'm kind of worried about the script though in terms of character and plot. I looked up Kieran and Michele Mulroney on imdb and they haven't written any movies.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

My bad. t:

 

[GreenKToo]

I actually find myself more excited at the prospect of a J.L. film than a S.R. sequel... and I hate that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't care what these guys are saying. The fact is the thing has not been greenlit, and we have nothing from Warner's, who cuts the check. But we do see a lot of movement on Justice League. I am hedging my bets on a JLA before SR2. Producers can say all they want. It is when the studio cuts the check that matters. They only have so much money to spend, and I am betting, no matter what them boys say, that they will go with JLA before SR2. Remember that Superman Lives had sets built and was ready to go and the WB cancelled it.

Buggs, the JLA movie would cost around $300-350 million to make, not to mention it would overshadow a 3rd Batman movie if it gets made, they are not going to do that i'm afraid until AT LEAST after Batman 3. Whether aSuperman sequel is made in the meantime, we'll just have to wait and see, but i personally am optimistic.

 

[GreenKToo]

I would have agreed with you before T.F., but now I think its possible to do it for less.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I can see this from your point of view, it would seem like lazy film making. But, it could also be seen as ingenius. Why waste the time re-telling what so many people know? Superman's Origins. S:TM did that very very well. Singer attempted to NOT step on peoples toes, to NOT alienate Smallville OR the earlier Donner Film(s) because of how well recieved and how cherished they are.

Again, it's all opinion. Good or bad, everyone's opinion is valid. If we get a Singer Sequel, I trust that Singer will pull a X2 and make it even better, and take the constructive criticism to heart. If we get a reboot, I really hope it pleases those that were not pleased with Singer's Superman. We all deserve a Superman to enjoy on the big screen. I'm just sorry that some don't view SR as an enjoyable piece of filmmaking.

I agree, i didnt see it as lazy film-making at all, i saw it as a sensible choice. IMO, if Singer had done an origin movie, and it was bad, reaction would have been even worse from the haters IMO and a lot of people would be turned off going to see it as they would have felt they had seen it all before.

Its funny, if Singer had completely ignored the Donner/Reeve movies, i bet the same people would be moaning about the fact.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would have agreed with you before T.F., but now I think its possible to do for less.

Bale's stardom is growing by the year, by the time they get JLA out, he could be demanding 20 million easy. THEN there are all the actors for the other parts, which would have to include SOME big names, not to mention the amount of effects work or prosthetics needed.

Not to mention the fact that if WB puts all of DC's stars in one movie, they are SEVERLY limiting the profitablility of its main characters.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

dude they wrote Mr and Mrs Smith. that's how the project got endorsed to them in the first place.

Didnt Simon Kinberg write that?

 

[GreenKToo]

I like donners origin. I just wish singer would have taken Lex in a different direction in his film. He could have stolen the crystals for making weapons or something instead of real estate, then sold the weapons to the highest bidder(s), therefore creating Lex-corp.

EDIT: Lex was my biggest gripe with S.R., everything else I was fine with.

 

[buggs0268]

Buggs, the JLA movie would cost around $300-350 million to make, not to mention it would overshadow a 3rd Batman movie if it gets made, they are not going to do that i'm afraid until AT LEAST after Batman 3. Whether aSuperman sequel is made in the meantime, we'll just have to wait and see, but i personally am optimistic.

I had no idea you were a stuido accountant. Transformers with 20 times the action and effects works than SR, with multiple characters, cost 150 mill to make. That is almost 100 million less to produce than SR. They can do a JLA for a lot cheaper than 300 to 350 mill. I don't know why how this figure ever came about, but it is utter nonsense. And Batman can be easily written out, or done as a cameo. Originally the WB was looking at ILM to do the effects, then OCS (before Singer came on board). OSC delivered two matrix movies cheaper than SR. Hell, they could have Bales scenes shot right now making TDK. The ending of Episode 3 was shot during the shooting of episode 2.

 

[Timstuff]

Donner's Superman is old hat. WB should have hired a director who wanted to do better than Donner's Superman. Instead, they got Bryan Singer, who made a 3 hour long tribute to Donner's Superman. If Bryan Singer really is going to do a movie about gay business when he's done with Valkyrie, it's obviously because Warner Bros. doesn't want him back for a new Superman.

 

[buggs0268]

it's obvious that tehy are very keen on a JLA movie or they would not have had the first script commissioned. And the fact that it got leaked (the WB put it in the trades themselves) of the upper execs happy with the first script means that they are very very interested in JLA. Noting except Singer shooting off his mouth, and Brandon thinking maybe they will do it and working out on his own initiative, is anything we hear about SR2. Nothing else.

 

[Visionary]

Bale's stardom is growing by the year, by the time they get JLA out, he could be demanding 20 million easy.

No one would pay Bale 20M, before or after a JLA film. His movies (Including Batman) don't pull in big money.

 

[Steelsheen]

Didnt Simon Kinberg write that?

the Mulroneys were uncredited.

the writers who worked on the script is Simon Kinberg, Jez Butterworth, Kieran Mulroney, Michele Mulroney

from here:
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/m/Mr-And-Mrs-Smith/index-49122.html
http://www.showbizdata.com/credits.cfm?mid=230198
http://www.concentricus.com/issue/article.php?id=1469

 

[buggs0268]

the Mulroneys were uncredited.

the writers who worked on the script is Simon Kinberg, Jez Butterworth, Kieran Mulroney, Michele Mulroney

from here:
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/m/Mr-And-Mrs-Smith/index-49122.html
http://www.showbizdata.com/credits.cfm?mid=230198
http://www.concentricus.com/issue/article.php?id=1469

Yeah. They came in and did the final rewrite. The same with Wheddon and Speed. What you see is totally his movie. He was called in to write a final rewrite that totally went away from the version the credited writer wrote. Same thing with Twister. Tarrentino did the same thing for Crimson Tide. Carey Fisher used to be on of the best of them after her Star Wars days.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I had no idea you were a stuido accountant. Transformers with 20 times the action and effects works than SR, with multiple characters, cost 150 mill to make. That is almost 100 million less to produce than SR. They can do a JLA for a lot cheaper than 300 to 350 mill. I don't know why how this figure ever came about, but it is utter nonsense. And Batman can be easily written out, or done as a cameo. Originally the WB was looking at ILM to do the effects, then OCS (before Singer came on board). OSC delivered two matrix movies cheaper than SR. Hell, they could have Bales scenes shot right now making TDK. The ending of Episode 3 was shot during the shooting of episode 2.

If you are talking about the Matrix sequels, they were rumoured to have cost around $200 million each, which is the same as SR.

 

[buggs0268]

If you are talking about the Matrix sequels, they were rumoured to have cost around $200 million each, which is the same as SR.

A JLA movie does not have to cost 350 mill. They can use unknowns and keep the cost down, which is what they are likely looking for anyway. Unknown to medium not famous faces. FFROTSS didnt even cost much.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No one would pay Bale 20M, before or after a JLA film. His movies (Including Batman) don't pull in big money.

They are pulling in more money now than they used to though. Plus, i know a lot of people who didnt know who he was 5 years ago, now they say he is their favourite actor.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

A JLA movie does not have to cost 350 mill. They can use unknowns and keep the cost down, which is what they are likely looking for anyway. Unknown to medium not famous faces. FFROTSS didnt even cost much.

FF2's budget was $130 million, a JLA movie would have to be much longer and need MANY more effects shots. Plus, they will have to use SOME stars, otherwise what will draw in the non-fanboys?

 

[buggs0268]

They can do this for 200 mill. Dude, again, transformers cost 150 mill, with all the effects it had. And how much did Ion Grufford cost them? And Bales was not a star before BB. Neither was Toby McGuire. They got them cheap and locked them into 3 sequels.