The Official Superman Casting Thread

[Comicfan]

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00034300.html

Speading like wildfire.

At least TMT is getting some good exposure.

And another name is Piggybacking on the Hamm rumor

 

[J.Howlett]

Exactly, rocco.

Star Trek did not do more than Iron Man 2...but the buzz off that film was exactly like Iron Man 1. Everyone (critics and fans alike) loved that film. That's why it's getting a sequel.

Superman Returns' buzz wasn't good. I actually think money had nothing to do with that film not getting a sequel. It was the fan reception that killed it. 491 million should've been enough. But, clearly, fans were unhappy. That's why the reboot.

At the end of the day though, WB/DC needs Superman to be viable. Marvel's flashing bling all over town with their films. If WB/DC goes three critical and box office hits in a row with Lantern, Batman 3, and Man of Steel, they're in the driver seat because no matter what, Superman and Batman will always be top dawg to general audiences. They're the oldest...

 

[GreenKToo]

A one shot Superman film? Why? I guess they don't have that much faith in Superman anymore. I mean I'm sure if it does at least Iron Man or Iron Man 2 well they'll want to make sequels. But I guess we should be grateful that we're getting one period cause of a possible lawsuit.

I think they're worried about this film succeeding first, with no thoughts on or about a sequel. If it does well, then they will worry about it.
It makes perfect sense to me. I've seen way too many films have sequels planned before the first is even released, then said sequel doesnt happen because the film didnt live up to the hype, things like not having enough action in it because they wanted to save it for the sequel. you could get away with that 10/15 years ago, but not anymore.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[That-Guy]

The fact that Zachary Levi keeps getting mentioned leaves me scratching my head. He's not a bad actor but for the life of me, I can't see him as Superman at all. Looks aren't everything but to me, that dude looks nothing like Superman.

 

[matrix_ghost]

I think they're worried about this film succeeding first, with no thoughts on or about a sequel. If it does well, then they will worry about it.
It makes perfect sense to me. I've seen way too many films have sequels planned before the first is even released, then said sequel doesnt happen because the film didnt live up to the hype, things like not having enough action in it because they wanted to save it for the sequel. you could get away with that 10/15 years ago, but not anymore.
Just my 2 cents.

The lawsuit means that they can't plan sequels ahead.
Properties like Superman are always envisioned as franchises with many movies. I do get what you're saying though about movies that are set up several things for future sequels yet fail at the BO . Miami Vice is perfect example. There are several elements in that movie that aren't explained yet play a major role in the movie. I'm sure those elements would've been explained/expanded upon in the sequl(s).
WB just needs to focus on making a proper Superman movie and if buzz is very good and by some miracle they'll be allowed to make more sequels , then we could see early work on sequels being done while the first movie is still in production.

Disney is already beginning work on the Tron Legacy sequel.
WB has already ordered the script for the Green Lantern sequel to written based on early footage . Ditto Sherlock Holmes 2. The script for the 2nd Holmes movie was already being written before filming ended.

I do think that WB will keep things low key with comments like they're just going to do this Superman movie as a one time flick.

 

[GreenKToo]

ALL MHO.
WB will need all the buzz they can get for this film. It would be a mistake to keep things quiet, especially after SR's lackluster outing.
Joe Q. Public wont know if this film is a reboot or sequel if WB does not make him well aware of it ahead of time, and If Joe Q. didnt like SR, and thinks this is a sequel to it, then well.....

It doesnt matter what we think or know about the reboot. The $$$ we will spend on seeing it will be tiny in comparison to what the public will (or could) bring in. They will be the ones needing convincing the most, not us.
It will need some TDK type marketing, for sure.

 

[Lightning54SC]

anyone gripping about Manganiello nose needs to look at routh's nose, his beak is no better

i like Manganiello his acting is on par, hes the perfect build, and HE WANTS THE ROLE!!!!!

 

[SuperMike335!!]

anyone gripping about Manganiello nose needs to look at routh's nose, his beak is no better

i like Manganiello his acting is on par, hes the perfect build, and HE WANTS THE ROLE!!!!!

Exactly.

I think the funniest ones are when people bring up how his nose would look obvious as Clark, forgetting two things.

1. Reeve also had a very distinct looking nose, not the same as Joe's, but Reeve's looked different from the normal every day shnoz, enough to stand out. It was overly narrow, and from the side looked straight up and down. You would remember his face anywhere.

2. Glasses help change the look of the nose, especially when they are down on the bridge a bit. At least enough to help a disguise.

Regardless, to me the guys nose looks just fine. Its not like Adrien Brody's beak, and I remember people suggesting even him for Superman at one time!

 

[DCnightwing23]

Manganiello just isnt right for the role sorry. Dont get me wrong of course superman needs to be tall and bulky but thats NOT all he needs to have, theres the acting that comes into that, because your playing essentially two characters as clark and superman and manganiello hasnt done anything to attract that support from me. With the acting past hes had heck might as well add taylor launter into the mix right? I mean he does play a wolf too. Come on, we need someone who can play this role the way it needs to be done, and of course the look is important too but that shouldnt be the only main concern. Im sure there are far better unknowns at there that have the look, acting, and passion to play this iconic role.

 

[Lightning54SC]

Manganiello just isnt right for the role sorry. Dont get me wrong of course superman needs to be tall and bulky but thats NOT all he needs to have, theres the acting that comes into that, because your playing essentially two characters as clark and superman and manganiello hasnt done anything to attract that support from me. With the acting past hes had heck might as well add taylor launter into the mix right? I mean he does play a wolf too. Come on, we need someone who can play this role the way it needs to be done, and of course the look is important too but that shouldnt be the only main concern. Im sure there are far better unknowns at there that have the look, acting, and passion to play this iconic role.

his acting is pretty good, check true blood, i caught a few new episodes and the guy can ACT! i was suprised, he even had that boyscout feel to his character. I can see him as a good push for this role

 

[Lightning54SC]

Exactly.

I think the funniest ones are when people bring up how his nose would look obvious as Clark, forgetting two things.

1. Reeve also had a very distinct looking nose, not the same as Joe's, but Reeve's looked different from the normal every day shnoz, enough to stand out. It was overly narrow, and from the side looked straight up and down. You would remember his face anywhere.

2. Glasses help change the look of the nose, especially when they are down on the bridge a bit. At least enough to help a disguise.

Regardless, to me the guys nose looks just fine. Its not like Adrien Brody's beak, and I remember people suggesting even him for Superman at one time!

cheers!!!

 

[That-Guy]

Manganiello just isnt right for the role sorry. Dont get me wrong of course superman needs to be tall and bulky but thats NOT all he needs to have, theres the acting that comes into that, because your playing essentially two characters as clark and superman and manganiello hasnt done anything to attract that support from me. With the acting past hes had heck might as well add taylor launter into the mix right? I mean he does play a wolf too. Come on, we need someone who can play this role the way it needs to be done, and of course the look is important too but that shouldnt be the only main concern. Im sure there are far better unknowns at there that have the look, acting, and passion to play this iconic role.

I have a hard time taking anything you say seriously since you made this comment:

What they need to do is get tom welling as clark, and get jon nolan to direct, and make that dc online trailer superman suit come to life and you got me going back to watch that movie several times

 

[Lightning54SC]

I have a hard time taking anything you say seriously since you made this comment:

hahahaha so he hates Manganiello because hes a Welling fan? dear lord Welling CAN NOT ACT!

 

[That-Guy]

lol, yeah. If you want to trash some guy's acting ability but support a talentless hack like Welling, you lose all credibility.

 

[rocco2216]

I think they're worried about this film succeeding first, with no thoughts on or about a sequel. If it does well, then they will worry about it.
It makes perfect sense to me. I've seen way too many films have sequels planned before the first is even released, then said sequel doesnt happen because the film didnt live up to the hype, things like not having enough action in it because they wanted to save it for the sequel. you could get away with that 10/15 years ago, but not anymore.
Just my 2 cents.

True, true. They're being cautious, realistic, and lowering their expectations some. They didn't do that for Superman Returns, that they assumed would make Spider-Man numbers. Also, they really need to settle with the families by Oct 2013.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Well welling would be good for several reasons, he knows the clark character and the superman mythos pretty well. It would draw in millions of people that watched smallville, yes his acting can be subpar at times but he's had a lot of amazing moments on smallville.

He's not my only choice, i must say that there are more unkowns out there that we dont know of that the nolans or goyer know of

 

[Dark Knight]

Routh was wearing heels to get to 6'4 and people still thought that looked silly on the costume.

I like Hamm more than Levi and Manganiello, mainly because Hamm is universally accepted as awesome... and quite popular

But Hamm's age and height are negatives to me..

WB is looking at this as a ONE-SHOT Superman film according to Showtime. This worries me.

If there's sequels or a "Justice League," I'm worried they'll recast the role AGAIN. -_-

A one shot, with Superman next appearing in a potential Justice League film most likely.

 

[Dark Knight]

I love this thread. People going on and on about how homosexuality is a disqualifier followed by pages of pictures of shirtless men.

Yeah I know, funny and ironic isn't it? LOL

 

[Lightning54SC]

Well welling would be good for several reasons, yes his acting can be subpar at times but he's had a lot of amazing moments on smallville.

He's not my only choice, i must say that there are more unkowns out there that we dont know of that the nolans or goyer know of

Oh yea? look at this academy award winning movies


Cheaper by the Dozen 2 (2005)
The Fog (2005)
Cheaper by the Dozen (2003)

Ill pass, he doesnt look like Superman. Neither Welling or ROuth are right for the role, the only reason they are liked for the role is because people 19 and under have only seen them attempting to be superman. Us Reeve men know that Welling and Routh cant fill the shoes and that the role needs someone more promising. At least Manganiello has had some actual ROLES in movies and tv series

 

[Dark Knight]

WB's needs to stop playing stupid games that are a waste of time, money and effort and just cast Hugh Jackman or Jim Caviezel as SuperMAN and get on with making a KICK ASS Superman film!

Just for freakin once in this lifetime!

Sheesh.....

 

[GreenKToo]

A one shot, with Superman next appearing in a potential Justice League film most likely.

what he said.

 

[Dark Knight]

WB's needs to stop playing stupid games that are a waste of time, money and effort and just cast Hugh Jackman or Jim Caviezel as SuperMAN and get on with making a KICK ASS Superman film!

Just for freakin once in this lifetime!

Sheesh.....

 

[GreenKToo]

enough with the welling and routh talk..the mods already deleted a bunch of posts once because of it.

 

[romeogbs19]

The lawsuit means that they can't plan sequels ahead.
Properties like Superman are always envisioned as franchises with many movies. I do get what you're saying though about movies that are set up several things for future sequels yet fail at the BO . Miami Vice is perfect example. There are several elements in that movie that aren't explained yet play a major role in the movie. I'm sure those elements would've been explained/expanded upon in the sequl(s).
WB just needs to focus on making a proper Superman movie and if buzz is very good and by some miracle they'll be allowed to make more sequels , then we could see early work on sequels being done while the first movie is still in production.

Disney is already beginning work on the Tron Legacy sequel.
WB has already ordered the script for the Green Lantern sequel to written based on early footage . Ditto Sherlock Holmes 2. The script for the 2nd Holmes movie was already being written before filming ended.

I do think that WB will keep things low key with comments like they're just going to do this Superman movie as a one time flick.

True -- no doubt the IP rights are affecting the WB's decision. That said, GreenKToo is also right in that the WB's goal here is to just make a good movie, if only to demonstrate that the Superman property (a) belongs with them and (b) that they know what they're doing. Face it, after Returns, many core fans were doing the facepalm and wondering how $200 million was spent on THAT.

I'm really grateful to the Nolans and Goyer. There is really no way the WB would make this movie if it weren't Nolan taking the lead because legally, there are too many unknowns to invest in another Superman film. IMHO, the license will stay with the WB, but it'll take a lot for them to keep it -- and possibly a while before it's all said and done. That's why the fact that Superman is coming again 2012 is really a blessing for the fans.

As I discussed in the IP thread, the Superman rights most likely (99%) are not going anywhere. Don't think for too long that the Siegel estate is going to walk away and sell Superman's copyright to someone else. It pretty much can't happen. The WB owns way too much of the derivative copyright for the Estate to sell it elsewhere, and with that in mind, no studio would dare try to buy it because of the legal jungle/nightmare it would have to undertake to sort out what belongs to the Siegel's and what belongs to the WB (under copyright law, anything the WB created is theirs). Remember all the Estate got back was Action Comics #1, and that is of course 1 book (albeit an important one) in a Superman mythos that spans thousands of stories (Lana Lang, the backstories of Smallville, Darkseid, Jimmy, etc.).

Clearly none of that the Estate would own. Thus, the end result will really just be the WB paying the Estate more money to use Superman. How much will depend on how far the lawyers for the Estate want to drag it out. In this case, it could be brutal, given the rift between the parties' attorneys. However, I don't think the Estate is going to buckle up since they really don't have anyone else to sell it to (which of course raises a host of other legal issues the Plaintiffs here can raise -- thus even more dragging out, more expert testimony, etc., etc., etc.).

Bottomline, though, Superman stays with the WB (or the Estate effectively "kills" him by dragging this into infinity). Economically speaking, copyright owners don't do that. Still, it could be a while before we see another Superman movie after the Nolan's take on it. Thank goodness we're going to get at least that.

Plus, Nolan and Goyer have one good Superman story to tell, and that's fine with me. Of course, I'm rooting for the older Superman. Sorry, I can't get off the Jon Hamm possibility. Make it happen, WB!

 

[Webhead2006]

i been off this thread for a few days. So now catching up with the chats. I saw that joe M's name been talked about again at few few different places. I still say he could probably be a fair superman. I only seen certain things of his. But he been doing good on true blood i hear. So i still say if he has the shot he should test.

Now as to the ongoing jon hamm stuff. I wouldnt mind him one bit. He is a good actor, has that mature manly look we would all love to see on superman. I am sure he could deliever a great clark kent/superman. But his age is the only thing i still think is working against him. Now if the plan is only for a one shot and done film for now due to the whole copyright battle with the siegels and what ever does happen when shuster's heirs get into the picture. I could see this working out for wb.

Though if they are looking for a series of films 2 or 3 films if this reboot is a sucess i dont see hamm being the best pick. Since by the time the series would be over he would be hitting/close to 50. And we have no clue between now and then how much he could age.

That is why i think it would be best to end up with someone between 25-35. So they have the youth in age and could end up playing the role longer. But then hopefully are not to young looking so we have a more mature look in the character. I think we could possibly end up with someone like ryan reynolds this time for superman. Someone who has a solid fan base, is a decent actor, and loves stuff like this.

As for if the film does end up having an established superman. I still hope it will touch upon origin stuff. Like some flashs to krypton. To some of his teen life back in smallville. Then at least see why he became superman, formed the look/persona. Then also at least see how he joined the daily planet and all that. If we just start in the middle of the book like SR did. I would think it would be a BIG mistake again. We should have some origin stuff, what ever they are able to use. So we can see why this world/this superman is different then the others before him.