The Official WONDER WOMAN Discussion Thread - Part 4

Quick reminder that Jill Thompson's long-awaited OGN "The True Amazon" (another origin story) is out tomorrow.

http://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/wonder-woman-the-true-amazon
http://www.dailydot.com/parsec/wonder-woman-true-amazon-jill-thompson-review/

 

4 origin stories in 1 year.....yikes

 

Amazing chapter!

 

Greg Rucka on Wonder Woman's sexuality:

http://www.newsarama.com/31251-is-wonder-woman-queer-obviously-yes-says-rucka.html

 

Seems forced, shoehorned in and completely unnecessary, imo. Wonder Woman is fine as is. She doesn't suddenly need to be bi-sexual or lesbian, something her history really doesn't even support.

 

Exactly how I feel about it. :/

 

Seriously, guys? It would be nonsensical for her not to at least be bi. I dunno how it can be considered shoe horned and unnecessary. I feel her sexuality was always understood, though never openly discussed before. But unless you believe some b.s. such as women are void of sexuality unless a man is around to inspire it, none of this should be revelatory.

Rucka is right on in everything he said. This doesn't change anything about her, it doesn't change anything she has been, this is a completely logical facet of her character.

 

Yeah, I don't see it as "forced" either.

 

Where is it forced though? Shoehorned in? We saw her flirt and nothing over the top has been done, she still likes men. Why would it be unecessary for to be bi-sexual? She's lived on an island where nothing but women live for hundreds of years, never seen a man, unless she was asexual, it is the most believable thing that she would be bi-sexual.

 

It's not forced, and certainly not sudden. This has been hinted at to varying degrees for at least 10 years.

 

Man... Island of Lesbos in Greece. Look it up. It's no coincidence. This was always Marstson's intent, but he was limited by the age of her conception. We're now in an era where her writers can write her the way she's always supposed to have been written.

 

I don't know all that much about Wonder Woman and even I can tell that this 'revelation' isn't actually that much of a revelation.

IOW, if this surprises you or feels 'wrong', you were being deliberately obtuse.

I wonder if this facet of her character will make it into future DCEU movies either overtly or subtly (it's too late for it to be present in her solo film).

 

I don't think they will address it in movies for WW, maybe for other Amazons.

Also, WW "currently" is not shown to be queer, so there's no reason to specifically bring up the matter.

 

What does this mean?

 

Not currently shown to be queer? Do they need to show her scissoring with Antiope? An island populated solely with women is the only reality she has ever known. You think she's never known romance or desire or developed a sexuality? I can't believe this is even a conversation as I don't know how this hasn't always been understood by anyone capable of simple logic.

 

I finally finished the Perez omnibus last night, my first time with the material. Long story short-- Reputation well deserved. Fantastic overarching story that touches on feminism and equality (obviously), ego, faith (and when faith goes too far), forgiveness etc. Gold standard WW for a reason.

 

I get what you are saying, I mean.. it's not as well known fact as Batwoman or Maggie Swayer (in Superman comics), which means that WB may not feel the need address it in the movies.

 

Its pandering and just one writers interpretation.

 

Pandering to what exactly?

And this isn't just one writers interpretation. William Moulton Marston, Wonder Womans creator, was a fiercely progressive feminist who believed in female dominance and himself was in a polyamorous relationship, which was representative of his broad acceptance and unabashed promotion of sexuality. Even in the earliest years of Wonder Woman comics there was criticism of her promoting an immoral lesbian/homosexual agenda. She has long been an icon to the lesbian community for all of the obvious reasons which you are currently ignoring. Everything about her being queer is perfectly in line with the character and what she has always been but rarely ever discussed openly and directly in the source material. This is nothing new. Nothing has changed. The only difference is the open affirmation of it. The only problem with Wonder Woman being queer would be anyone's denial of it.

 

Yeah, the people acting like this is some big "change" haven't been paying attention, I guess. All this is is a confirmation of what has been implied by numerous writers straight back to her creator and generally assumed by fans over the years.

 

Wonder Woman's catch phrase in the Golden/Silver Age was "Suffering Sappho!" Same sex relations aren't alien to the ancient Greeks, she came from an island populated only by immortal female warriors, and she was based on a young woman Marston and his wife had an open relationship with. And who subsequently continued to live with his wife when he died. Hell, Morrison confirmed it first when he wrote her and the Amazon Mala being lovers in Earth One, the book he wrote specifically to channel Marston's stories.

This isn't forced and it isn't out of nowhere. It makes more sense to do it with her character than it did when they made Selina Kyle bisexual. I'm hoping they go further and establish a relationship between her and Barbara Minerva before the latter became the Cheetah.

It really does. A casual glance at the Golden Age archives is all it takes.

 

Nothing's changed.

This is just a common sense confirmation of something that is always there. Thinking its forced or pandering is just heteronormative - funny given that WW comes from an island where there is one gender so normative ideas of gender are already played with.

It doesn't change the fact that Steve Trevor is pretty much her main love interest, especially in the rebirth title.

The last issue was amazing btw. Barbara Anne Minerva is really getting fleshed out. Great supporting character.

 

Agreed. Her presence when Rucka was announced made me both excited and nervous, because she was the one character I feel he didn't do right by in his previous run. I'm happy to be so surprised that he's writing her well, and seemingly making her one of the main characters. Can't wait for her origins issue this month.

 

Really? It's been forever since I read it, but I remeber Rucka's previous WW run being very good.

 

Oh it definitely was overall. I think it's one of my favorite WW runs ever. But Cheetah kind of sucked, especially her team ups/hook ups with Zoom and *shudders* Snapper Carr, both of which happened under Rucka's pen. She was the one bad part of his run. Thankfully, he seems to have done his homework on her this time.