Days of Future Past The Official X-Men: First Class Box Office Discussion Thread! - Part 1

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X-Men Origins: Wolverine made $370 million and Fox still moved forward with First Class. Now with First Class making $350 million it's proof that they don't need Wolverine.

I don't think The Wolverine's box office will affect First Class 2. They are both separate now, and Fox can make both.
 
Well, Panda Kung fu 2, Rio and Thor were released at least a month before, and they are all above First Class :(

The numbers.com say it has Worldwide Gross $349,013,363.

I haven't suffer with a daily box office movie as I'm suffering with this one. I'm obsessed... lol

And need a second class Please...

by the way, how much time did we wait to know about First Class, after Wolverine release??

I don't think First Class depended on Wolverine's box office. They were talking about First Class for ages and then it suddenly gained momentum when Singer delivered a new story treatment. They didn't appear to be waiting for Wolverine's box office to reach a certain level.
 
I think 2014 is a totally reasonable expecation for XSC. But I do wonder, if Wolverine does well, would that encourage a XFC sequel or dismiss it? On the one hand it would prove that there is still interest in X-Men, on the other it might prove that the BO numbers come from Wolverine. If this movie is indeed a prequel and not a reboot (there is still nothing to prevent this movie from being a reboot if they choose it to be) then they couldn't have Wolverine in it unless they make him lose his memory again.

Except for the fact that they went out of their way to tie it to the original movies by recreating the opening scene from X-Men shot for shot.
 
Except for the fact that they went out of their way to tie it to the original movies by recreating the opening scene from X-Men shot for shot.
that still doesnt prevent this movie from being a reboot.
 
BOM estimate $275,000 for First Class this weekend, only a 21% drop from last week.

Green Lantern made $166,000.
 
nice.

Wolverine added two more millions until its final week, so let's hope FC does gets the same.
 
Except for the fact that they went out of their way to tie it to the original movies by recreating the opening scene from X-Men shot for shot.

Dude, you have got to give it up. :whatever:
There is nothing to prove this is a reboot or a prequel one way or another. They have proven with Charles walking in later years (Wolverine and X3) and Charles saying he met Erik at 17 (X-Men) that it's a reboot. They proved with olderMystique and Wolverine cameos that it's a prequel. They can absolutely go in any direction they want with this. They might choose to make it a reboot just so they can appease the fans with Scott and Jean, which would be impossible with the current timeline (it would make them both in their 50s in the old movies). They might keep it a prequel so they can throw HJWolverine in again. They can do absolutely anything they want with it, which is AWESOME. It's a preboot. :)
 
Its a prequel with some liberties.

As simple as that.
 
Its a prequel with some liberties.

As simple as that.

This.

It contradicts a couple minor details from the trilogy because it allowed for them to tell a better story. The Star Wars trilogies contradict some minor details between each other as well to tell their stories. It doesn't mean they are reboots of each other.

When Singer came on board, he cut out Cyclops, Jean, and Storm because their inclusion in the 60's wouldn't match the trilogy timeline. The opening shot of the movie is a re-creation of the opening shot of the first movie, thus setting it in the same universe and continuity. The entire events of X-Men: First Class stem from an incident that happened in X-Men. Mystique's entire aesthetic appearance is identical to that of the trilogy. And while aesthetically Beast looks different, his role in the movie completely matches up with his backstory of X-Men: The Last Stand. Even Moira McTaggert's appearance in X-Men: The Last Stand, she is established as a "former colleague" of Xavier's, which is exactly what she would be considering their history established in X-Men: First Class. If you're going to use her age, in a blink and you miss it cameo appearance, as evidence for a "reboot", then X-Men: First Class is rebooting itself after the first 15 minutes, when Raven is portrayed as much younger than Charles, when in the introductory scene, Raven is portrayed as the same age as Charles.

The movie contradicts 2 scenes that combine for a whopping 30 seconds of Xavier walking, however the events of X-Men: First Class don't contradict the actual narrative of Xavier recruiting the different mutants in the 2 different instances. Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith contradicts Star Wars: Return of the Jedi when Luke asks Leia if she remembers her real mother, and Leia begins to go into detail about her real mother... but her real mother died during child birth in Revenge of the Sith. So... did Revenge of the Sith ignore Return of the Jedi and toss it out of continuity because it contradicted a minor plot element? Or was it a contradiction simply for establishing the story it was trying to tell? Star Wars: A New Hope, Obi-Won also states that he has never seen R2-D2 before, which the prequel trilogy shows us is obviously a wrong statement, thus a contradiction. And since the ages of characters is a big selling point for "teh REBOOTZ!!!1" around here, there's no way that Obi-Won would be as old as he is in the original trilogy, considering his age in the prequel trilogy. That's much more than an 18 year age difference between Ewan McGragor in the prequel trilogy and Alex Guiness in the original trilogy.

Not all movies have the air tight continuity of Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter... in fact, most film franchises don't. Most film franchises will have contradictions between them from film to film. It's kind of a natural part of telling stories with extended plot arcs over multiple installments. Especially in the case of X-Men where you have 4 directors, dozens of different screenwriters and producers making 5 movies over the span of 11 years that are adapting 50 years worth of numerous comic book runs that span multiple runs, different retellings of the same stories, and retcons of their own that change it's own official continuity.

That is not a reboot. A reboot is Batman Begins, which completely ignores that Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, and Batman & Robin were even made, and tell their own story without any consideration given to the previous series of movies.

X-Men: First Class gives a lot of consideration to the movies that came before it, and establishes itself pretty blatantly within the same continuity, thus ceasing to be a reboot. It does take some liberties in areas where it needs to to tell a better story. But taking liberties does not equate to reboot.

If anything, X-Men: First Class (and any future sequels) are more along the lines of X-Men: The Next Generation... it exists within the same continuity (just as Star Trek: The Next Generation exists within the same continuity of Star Trek), but tells stories during a different time period, thus not directly connecting itself to the events of the original trilogy, and allowing itself a lot of creative freedom to tell some pretty wicked stories, without contradicting anything.
 
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- The Wolverine: May 2015

- X-men: Second Class: May 2014.

:woot:
 
I know, its just what Id like, lol

SEcond Class next, and another Wolverine movie for 2015.......

or 2016....

or never

:woot:
 
I think The Wolverine will come out in 2013 and First Class 2 in 2014.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if we got The Wolverine in late-2012. Summer 2013 is already filling up.
 
I know it's impossible, but I would love it if FOX could schedule "The Wolverine" and "Whatever-X-Men-related-movie-they-decide-to-make" in the same year, I just hate the fact that having a Wolverine movie means I have to wait two to three years for the next X-Men.
 
Dude, you have got to give it up. :whatever:
There is nothing to prove this is a reboot or a prequel one way or another. They have proven with Charles walking in later years (Wolverine and X3) and Charles saying he met Erik at 17 (X-Men) that it's a reboot. They proved with olderMystique and Wolverine cameos that it's a prequel. They can absolutely go in any direction they want with this. They might choose to make it a reboot just so they can appease the fans with Scott and Jean, which would be impossible with the current timeline (it would make them both in their 50s in the old movies). They might keep it a prequel so they can throw HJWolverine in again. They can do absolutely anything they want with it, which is AWESOME. It's a preboot. :)

What many Ignore IS the fact they may be throwing out both X-Men The Last Stand and X-Men Origins;Wolverine.Deadpool's entire making depends on throwing out Wolverine.

All connections In First Class was to X-Men and X2.The fact they skipped over the tradional Beast appearance that was In Last Stand In favor of catlike Beast.This and Moira mactaggert's entire appearance In First Class(the age problems and having no accent) as well as the Issues of Xavier being crippled In First Class and the breakup between him and Magneto makes a strong case First Class should be viewed as only prequel to X-Men and X2.They have talked about In a First Class trilogy of jumping to the 1970's and 1980's.Throwing out Wolverine means they could have Wolverine show up In a sequel.It could also have by throwing out Last Stand have Angel show up In third film with Cyclops,Jean,and Storm.

X-Men would hardly be first franchise to Ignore what was said In Dialogue.So the Xavier Is 17 when he meet Magneto line Isn't a big deal to ignore.
 
What many Ignore IS the fact they may be throwing out both X-Men The Last Stand and X-Men Origins;Wolverine.Deadpool's entire making depends on throwing out Wolverine.

All connections In First Class was to X-Men and X2.The fact they skipped over the tradional Beast appearance that was In Last Stand In favor of catlike Beast.This and Moira mactaggert's entire appearance In First Class(the age problems and having no accent) as well as the Issues of Xavier being crippled In First Class and the breakup between him and Magneto makes a strong case First Class should be viewed as only prequel to X-Men and X2.They have talked about In a First Class trilogy of jumping to the 1970's and 1980's.Throwing out Wolverine means they could have Wolverine show up In a sequel.It could also have by throwing out Last Stand have Angel show up In third film with Cyclops,Jean,and Storm.

X-Men would hardly be first franchise to Ignore what was said In Dialogue.So the Xavier Is 17 when he meet Magneto line Isn't a big deal to ignore.

You keep harping on this, and I'm calling you out on it. I read the script review. Deadpool isn't throwing X-Men Origins: Wolverine out. It is setting itself in a completely different continuity than the X-Men movies. The fact that the opening sequence is apparently Deadpool watching Wolverine in a movie theatre is proof that it's setting itself in a different continuity. They are using Colossus, apparently, but a different version of Colossus than what is in the trilogy. Deadpool is going to have so little claim to "official X-Men continuity" because it is a completely different continuity that is no more related to the X-Men movies than Batman Begins. Deadpool watching a movie, and then being considered part of that film's universe, is like me saying I'm an elf mage because I watched Lord of the Rings. It couldn't be clearer that they are setting themselves in a separate continuity. That's how X-Men Origins: Wolverine is being ignored in the Deadpool movie, because the Deadpool movies is a completely separate fictional universe.

Moira McTaggert's appearance in X-Men: The Last Stand is a blink and you missed it cameo. You can hardly consider that some kind of "tossing out of continuity" if that's the most significant contradiction you can come up with. And if you want to talk about the age difference, then I've already addressed this: X-Men: First Class reboots itself, because Raven is much younger than Charles, when they are presented as the same age when they met in 1944. And the Star Wars prequel trilogy is a reboot of the Star Wars movies, because Obi Won Kenobi is much more than 18 years older in A New Hope than he is at the end of Revenge of the Sith. So, I guess the original trilogy was tossed out of continuity because of age discrepancies.

As far as cat-like Beast vs. regular Beast - Beast is a character who is known for his ever changing physical appearances in the comics. So perhaps the transition was backwards in the movie universe - cat-like to "normal" looking. It wouldn't be the first thing backwards in the franchise. However, more importantly than some aesthetics (if we're going that route, I guess X2 tosses X-Men out of continuity because the Cerebro effects are different in X2 than they are in X-Men), his character role of an original X-Men member who is insecure about his appearance matches up 100% with his portrayal in X-Men: The Last Stand as a member of the X-Men from before the team of the original movie, who is portrayed as insecure about his appearance through both dialogue ("is it cowardice to save oneself from persecution? Not all of us fit in so easily. You don't shed on the furniture.") as well as action when we see his response to Leech neutralizing his mutation, and the tease of him being "normal" again.
 
Deadpool Is being called X-Men Origins:Deadpool.It has apperance by Colosssus and a reference Is made to Xavier.They are obvisously wanting to make It part of X-Men film Universe.

Mystique Is shape shifter.She appears as she wants.That Is different than the age problems with Moira.Not to mention In Last Stand she has a accent.

It Isn't the same with Star Wars.As I said with many franchises you often have to Ignore what Is said In Dialoge.

They made no effort to match Beast In First Class as he appeared In The Last Stand.Yet they did with Mystique.

Having Xaier crippled In First Class and also having him and Xavier go their own ways Is much different than Ignoring a 1 second appearace of human Looking Beast on TV In X2.Sometimes you have to be willing to accept libierties.

And do people really think If First Class becomes a trilogy they will stick to Introductions of Cyclops and Jean that will match the end of wolverine and begining of The Last Stand?

If Deadpool Is set In it's own contunity they need to drop X-Men Origins from the title,
drop the colossus appearance,and elemate any reference to Xavier.

Deadpool gets no money from me If set In seperate contunity.Just like If a First Class sequel went the direction some have promated on these boards becoming a reboot I won't be spending any more money.Just Like I won't be spending any money on Man of Steel,Terminator 5,and any future James Bond film(and that Is now a seperate series despite what some claim)

Untill Bryan Singer or Lauren Shuller Donner say point blank The Last Stand Is still part of the series with First Class and address the contunity problems with Xavier and Magneto I will contunue to believe First Class as prequel to only X-Men and X2.
 
Sometimes you have to be willing to accept libierties.

Yup. Which is exactly why X-Men: First Class isn't a reboot of any of the movies. It took some minor liberties. That's it.

First of all, who says if the First Class series continues that they have to introduce Cyclops and Jean Grey? If they wanted to, they already had a movie they could have introduced them in. But they didn't. And from everything I heard and read from Bryan Singer at the time, the decision was made because the X-Men: First Class timeline didn't match up with the timeline of the characters as established in the films - and what I heard early on those timelines included X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine timelines of those characters.

If they were really wanting to reboot, they could have used Cyclops, Jean, Angel, all of them.

Instead, the only X-Men member included from previous movies was Beast. The one character that was established in the original trilogy, by the movie as apparently being tossed out, of being around before the events of the first X-Men movie. And he's the one character that's around in X-Men: First Class.

The onus isn't on Donner, or anyone else, to state that X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine are in continuity. They already are. They've been in continuity for 5 and 2 years respectively.

I've also not seen anywhere that the movie is being called X-Men Origins: Deadpool. I've seen it mentioned as only Deadpool.

And frankly, you say that Deadpool gets no money from you if it's a separate continuity, well, any movie that's going to purposefully contradict X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine to try to "take it out of continuity" gets no money from me.
 
I know it's impossible, but I would love it if FOX could schedule "The Wolverine" and "Whatever-X-Men-related-movie-they-decide-to-make" in the same year, I just hate the fact that having a Wolverine movie means I have to wait two to three years for the next X-Men.

Nah, releasing two X-Men movies in one year would be overkill. I think having four superhero movies this summer was a mistake as well. It's better to stagger these movies so the audience doesn't feel overwhelmed.
 
Nah, releasing two X-Men movies in one year would be overkill. I think having four superhero movies this summer was a mistake as well. It's better to stagger these movies so the audience doesn't feel overwhelmed.

I agree. This Summer was a little too crowded and I think that's why the box office intakes for these films were lower than expected.
 
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Yup. Which is exactly why X-Men: First Class isn't a reboot of any of the movies. It took some minor liberties. That's it.

First of all, who says if the First Class series continues that they have to introduce Cyclops and Jean Grey? If they wanted to, they already had a movie they could have introduced them in. But they didn't. And from everything I heard and read from Bryan Singer at the time, the decision was made because the X-Men: First Class timeline didn't match up with the timeline of the characters as established in the films - and what I heard early on those timelines included X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine timelines of those characters.

If they were really wanting to reboot, they could have used Cyclops, Jean, Angel, all of them.

Instead, the only X-Men member included from previous movies was Beast. The one character that was established in the original trilogy, by the movie as apparently being tossed out, of being around before the events of the first X-Men movie. And he's the one character that's around in X-Men: First Class.

The onus isn't on Donner, or anyone else, to state that X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine are in continuity. They already are. They've been in continuity for 5 and 2 years respectively.

I've also not seen anywhere that the movie is being called X-Men Origins: Deadpool. I've seen it mentioned as only Deadpool.

And frankly, you say that Deadpool gets no money from you if it's a separate continuity, well, any movie that's going to purposefully contradict X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine to try to "take it out of continuity" gets no money from me.

They are officialy calling Deadpool X-Men Origins:Deadpool.They defently want It to be viewed as part of the X-Men films series.

Bryan Singer has talked about the first Class trilogy jumping to 1970's and 1980's.Going that far ahead says they are planning to eventully get to teenage versions of more familar characters.

Wolverine,Xavier,and Magneto are the most Important characters In all the films.First Class presents a major condiction to both Xavier and Magneto.I don't consider Xavier being crippled In First Class and he and Magneto go seperate ways In 1960's minor contradictions.

If X-Men first Class becomes a trilogy and they Introduce Teenage Cyclops and Jean Grey they certently won't stick to how Cyclops was Introduced In Wolverine and Jean was Introduced In Last Stand.

If X4 becomes reality creativly they have problems due to what happened In The Last Stand.
 
If the movies are set in the 80's, then there are no timeline issues with introducing Cyclops and Jean Grey. And if they do bring in Cyclops and Jean Grey (and that's a huge if, because there is no certainty of First Class becoming a trilogy... a sequel isn't even guaranteed at this point, and if there is, Matthew Vaughn has already stated he wants to introduce only one character, so that kind of negates a trio of Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Storm), they don't need to go into detail about how those characters were recruited, considering we've already seen it. Granted, fan fiction has absolutely no relevance in terms of what happens in these movies, but I've already given an idea that in a time of need (whatever that may be) we could see a sequence of Xavier hitting up Cerebro to search for new mutants, and after a brief sequence, we can see a group of new mutants at the mansion with Xavier; Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Storm. Considering through these movies we've already had multiple "recruitment" montages and sequences, having yet another one is not necessary. It would be redundant, especially considering a recruitment montage was a key part of X-Men: First Class already, and by having the characters just "show up" after a brief Cerebro sequence, the movie is neither contradicting nor connecting itself to the "controversial" films.

As far as the contradiction of Xavier walking in X-Men Origins: Wolverine and X-Men: The Last Stand when he gets paralyzed in X-Men: First Class, you're right, it's a contradiction. No way around it. Just like Leia having memories of her real mother in Return of the Jedi is a contradiction to her mother dying in child birth in Revenge of the Sith. These movies don't have air tight continuity. Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter have spoiled people that anything that isn't 100% air tight continuity is a reboot. It is a contradiction, yes, but it doesn't alter the narrative.

While Charles and Erik part in X-Men: First Class, it is obvious by their emotions during the sequence that they are not enemies. While Erik has drifted down a different path than that of Xavier, he has not yet become the mutant terrorist that would be the enemy of the X-Men. He hadn't even formed the Brotherhood of Mutants yet. Given the circumstances of their parting, it is completely believable that they would work together again in the future to A.) build Xavier's Cerebro B.) recruit new students for the school, such as Jean Grey. Xavier and Magneto have worked together countless times in the comics, including going so far as Magneto being headmaster of the school at different periods of time. So, when constant alliances and cooperation is a staple of the source material, why is it so out of line to consider that over a 20 year period between X-Men: First Class and the events of Jean Grey's recruitment in X-Men: The Last Stand, that they would work together again.

In that context, yes, Xavier walking is simply a minor contradiction, because the actual narrative of events in the storyline don't change. Just one detail that is seen for a whopping 20 seconds of combined footage.

And as far as Deadpool goes, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I really couldn't care less what they call the movie, or what they try to do with it. The Deadpool comics are a separate entity from the X-Men comics with a level of connection because the stories of characters like Wolverine and Cable are related to the stories of Deadpool, but he is far enough removed from the X-Men comic book world that I will see a Deadpool movie as separate from the X-Men movies. IF they do title it X-Men Origins: Deadpool, it will be nothing more than a cash grab. But the script review clearly puts the movie outside the universe of X-Men Origins: Wolverine (Deadpool is watching the freaking movie, for goodness sake), and the inclusion of Colossus is completely different than the Colossus of the X-Men films. No script review I've read has Xavier or any other X-Men anywhere in them. And even with whatever relations to the X-Men movies they put into Deadpool, the entire concept of the character is so far removed from the tone of the X-Men movies (4th wall breaking, pop culture parody and satire) that I don't think I could genuinely see it as part of the X-Men movie universe even if they didn't try to contradict things.

Take Deadpool how you want, I will not see that film as an official part of the X-Men film continuity. It will be something separate in my view. The X-Men film continuity in my view will be *X-Men, *X2: X-Men United, *X-Men: The Last Stand, *X-Men Origins: Wolverine, *X-Men: First Class, *The Wolverine, and if it's made, X-Men: First Class sequel.
 
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