The Positive Thread

[MakeMinesMarvel]

The Thing photo we saw behind the scenes looked like a rubber model but this version is CGI correct?

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

I don't think people ever criticized his acting talents, just his suitability for that particular role.

Definitely not true.

 

[BatsDC]

Agreed about Doom. But the rest from what we know seem to stay true to the base concept and characterisation of the Ultimate Fantastic Four.

Only time I've seen people discuss the potential quality of the film based on the people involved it's been saying that Trank is just doing Chronicle 2 and bringing up the F4 films from almost ten years ago as a barometer for quality of the studio rather than recent films and in fairness citing MBJ as the right kindof actor for Johhnys character.

The studios last CBM is sitting at 92% critical and fan acclaim. The directors last movie is sitting at 80-something-% critical acclaim. The writers last movie is the same 92% as above and Tellers most recent film is getting Oscar buzz

From the looks of things even if this film is in-accurate it has a lot going for it in terms of potential to be a very good film.

Kinberg was brought on late in the game to rewrite the script because it was way over budget, and Slater hasn't written anything at all before this, so the writers aren't encouraging. Add that to all the rumours of Fox trying to fire Trank (and we have a lot of reports that would imply there's at least some truth to that) and all of the less than encouraging interviews (Mara and Kebbel for example) should explain why people aren't excited. Fox had a good track record before the first Fantastic Four too.

 

[Zarex]

Let's say against all odds that FFINO is a hit. In fact, due to its low budget it actually outearns XM:A for FOX:

FFINO
Total Budget - $ 75 million
Total Box Office - $425 million
Profit - $275 million
(Using BO less 2 times the budget)

XM:A
Total Budget - $225 million
Total Box Office - $700 million
Profit - $250 million

If this occurs, we'll likely be looking at much lower budgets for the X-Men series, with grim, gritty and lo-fi replacing the fantastical elements of the series. Fans of the X-Men series who are supporting FFINO simply out of brand loyalty should be careful what they wish for.

 

[Orba]

Definitely not true.

Most here think if Trank really wanted to cast Jordan it would have been more interesting if he had been given the role of Reed.

 

[Orba]

Let's say against all odds that FFINO is a hit. In fact, due to its low budget it actually outearns XM:A for FOX:

FFINO
Total Budget - $ 75 million
Total Box Office - $425 million
Profit - $275 million
(Using BO less 2 times the budget)

XM:A
Total Budget - $225 million
Total Box Office - $700 million
Profit - $250 million

If this occurs, we'll likely be looking at much lower budgets for the X-Men series, with grim, gritty and lo-fi replacing the fantastical elements of the series. Fans of the X-Men series who are supporting FFINO simply out of brand loyalty should be careful what they wish for.

I certainly think its something that Fox fans should be wary of, if a studio thinks that they can get away with a profit by playing cheap they will. However for the figures there is still the big question of this film having a "found footage feel" to it, found footage style films do far more poorly at the BO, if I recall only two have even passed $200 million at the box office worldwide.

 

[metaphysician]

Let's say against all odds that FFINO is a hit. In fact, due to its low budget it actually outearns XM:A for FOX:

FFINO
Total Budget - $ 75 million
Total Box Office - $425 million
Profit - $275 million
(Using BO less 2 times the budget)

XM:A
Total Budget - $225 million
Total Box Office - $700 million
Profit - $250 million

If this occurs, we'll likely be looking at much lower budgets for the X-Men series, with grim, gritty and lo-fi replacing the fantastical elements of the series. Fans of the X-Men series who are supporting FFINO simply out of brand loyalty should be careful what they wish for.

I'm sure at least some of them would rationalize it as "proving the Marvel model is an inferior model" or some such.

 

[Zarex]

Most here think if Trank really wanted to cast Jordan it would have been more interesting if he had been given the role of Reed.

My problem with Jordan had more to do with age than race - Reed, Ben and Johnny should not be played by three dudes born within a year of each other under any circumstances. But yes, it would have made much more sense to have Jordan play Reed and bring in a teenager for Johnny.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

The Thing photo we saw behind the scenes looked like a rubber model but this version is CGI correct?

It will be CGI yes

 

[Kelly]

My problem with Jordan had more to do with age than race - Reed, Ben and Johnny should not be played by three dudes born within a year of each other under any circumstances. But yes, it would have made much more sense to have Jordan play Reed and bring in a teenager for Johnny.

Considering Jordan is the oldest of the guys, does seem pretty crazy. I understand that actors play all ages, but it seems to me that the chemistry will be more of "buddies". Could totally be wrong, but that is the vibe I get.

 

[Eddie]

Kinberg was brought on late in the game to rewrite the script because it was way over budget, and Slater hasn't written anything at all before this, so the writers aren't encouraging. Add that to all the rumours of Fox trying to fire Trank (and we have a lot of reports that would imply there's at least some truth to that) and all of the less than encouraging interviews (Mara and Kebbel for example) should explain why people aren't excited. Fox had a good track record before the first Fantastic Four too.

I'm also going to reiterate something to add on: Simon Kinberg has a pretty terrible track record. I'd also add that they really didn't have a good track record before the first Fantastic Four film they did. They'd already been involved in comic films like Elektra, Garfield, and The League of Extraordinary Gentleman (that one was a co-production). The idea that Fox has ever had a good track record with comic adaptations is a myth that is currently being perpetuated by willfully ignorant people. The idea that the last few years have been nothing but acclaimed comic adaptation productions from Fox is a myth.
2009 was obviously bad (Fox in general had a terrible Spring with The Legend of Chun-Li, DBE, and X-Men Origins).
2010 saw the release of comic adaptation Marmaduke (a Fox co-production).
2011 didn't see any bad Fox produced comic adaptations, but they did put out some bad adaptations in general.
2012 did not see a single Fox comic adaption (really taking away from the idea that Fox is on such a good run, considering they sat a year out during this alleged streak they've only been on for a few years), but it did see a Fox/Simon Kinberg film with a terrible average rating (This Means War).
2013's The Wolverine is generally considered good, but it has a lower average critical rating than such films as Iron Man 2, Superman Returns, and Batman The Movie. (I'm actually quite fond of The Wolverine, I'm just saying it's hardly considered one of the greatest comic films of all time. It's a bit questionable to count it towards this supposed incredible streak Fox is on)

 

[Dasher10]

Let's say against all odds that FFINO is a hit. In fact, due to its low budget it actually outearns XM:A for FOX:

FFINO
Total Budget - $ 75 million
Total Box Office - $425 million
Profit - $275 million
(Using BO less 2 times the budget)

XM:A
Total Budget - $225 million
Total Box Office - $700 million
Profit - $250 million

If this occurs, we'll likely be looking at much lower budgets for the X-Men series, with grim, gritty and lo-fi replacing the fantastical elements of the series. Fans of the X-Men series who are supporting FFINO simply out of brand loyalty should be careful what they wish for.

1. Where are you getting these numbers for the budgets from?

2. Why do you feel that The Fantastic Four is going to gross $400M? This movie has everything against it. It's part of a damaged brand, it's a reboot and Fox didn't show up to debut anything at Comic-Con last year. Fox will be lucky if this grosses $200M.

Let's say that we get our first trailer with Jupiter Ascending. That still leaves only leaves six months to counter over a year of bad press. If somehow this film surpasses all expectations, it would probably only gross $300M.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Every Marvel of DC reboot has grossed more than $200 million. Them not debuting at SDCC will have zero bearing on gross.

Even if F4 is a financial success it's moronic to think they'd for no reason cut the budget of one of their flagship franchises (X-Men) in response

 

[Eddie]

Every Marvel of DC reboot has grossed more than $200 million. Them not debuting at SDCC will have zero bearing on gross.

Bull****. Neither Punisher reboot came close to half of $200,000,000. It took me approximately two seconds to think of that as soon as I read your post. For crying out loud, stop spouting out made up facts. We're on the internet. It takes like two minutes tops to check the box office numbers. I think this calls for some triple smiley action.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Every Marvel of DC reboot has grossed more than $200 million. Them not debuting at SDCC will have zero bearing on gross.

Even if F4 is a financial success it's moronic to think they'd for no reason cut the budget of one of their flagship franchises (X-Men) in response

He is so funny.FF being a success means they will cut the budget of one of
fox's 2 big franchises.

Attacking fans of X-Men films supporting film of ff or being open minded till
we see trailer as supporting brand

This is supose to be postive thread and they are filling it with comments like those in the hat fox thread otherwise known as hoping film fails thread.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

This is supose to be postive thread and they are filling it with comments like those in the hat fox thread otherwise known as hoping film fails thread.

Fair's fair. None of you could be bothered to stop visiting the 'abandon hope' thread and complaining about how unfair everyone there is.

 

[Kelly]

Smile Everyone!

 

[Eddie]

Fair's fair. None of you could be bothered to stop visiting the 'abandon hope' thread and complaining about how unfair everyone there is.

None of them can be bothered to take two minutes on Google to fact check their claims about what "every" other film has done and what Simon Kinberg's track record is. What do you expect?

 

[Eddie]

Smile Everyone!

What the hell, you think this is a thread about being positi-

oh.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Smile Everyone!

Spoiler

 

[Dasher10]

He is so funny.FF being a success means they will cut the budget of one of
fox's 2 big franchises.

Attacking fans of X-Men films supporting film of ff or being open minded till
we see trailer as supporting brand

This is supose to be postive thread and they are filling it with comments like those in the hat fox thread otherwise known as hoping film fails thread.

I agree. I post in both threads since I'm a bit on the fence. When I first heard that Doom would be a programmer and former friend, I was a bit taken aback, then I actually read Ultimate FF and it doesn't look as bleak as it could be. Doom will probably take over Latveria in future sequels or at the end of this one.

I'm just hoping that he doesn't spend the whole film with goat legs.

I'm of the opinion that if this succeeds, we'll see it eventually connect to the X-Men (Deadpool was also a separate contract and yet, it's part of the X-Men universe) which is good. If it fails, Fox will sell it back and it'll connect to the Guardians of the Galaxy, which is also good. So either way, I'll be pleased with the result.

 

[Kelly]

I agree. I post in both threads since I'm a bit on the fence. When I first heard that Doom would be a programmer and former friend, I was a bit taken aback, then I actually read Ultimate FF and it doesn't look as bleak as it could be. Doom will probably take over Latveria in future sequels or at the end of this one.

I'm just hoping that he doesn't spend the whole film with goat legs.

Meh, they'll be hidden under the computer table.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Young Victor Domashev receiving a Christmas gift that will change the course of his life forever.

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[Eddie]

I hear in this version Reed makes a photoshop of Domashev fused with a goat and throws it on 4chan after getting banned from latveria.net. It's what start's D00M on the path of villainy.

 

[Zarex]

Every Marvel of DC reboot has grossed more than $200 million. Them not debuting at SDCC will have zero bearing on gross.

Even if F4 is a financial success it's moronic to think they'd for no reason cut the budget of one of their flagship franchises (X-Men) in response

It's moronic for me to think that FOX would do what the studio planned to do after XM:TLS? If you remember your X Men movie history, and apparently you don't, the plan from Rothman was to continue the series with lower cost solo spinoffs.

If fans are foolish enough to spend their money on reduced budget garbage that bears no resemblance to the source material, then guess what? FOX is going to give you more of the same. But I promise not to say I told you so when it happens.