The Positive Thread

[Willie Lumpkin]

How does he not have most of those things?

This is the positive thread, so I won't rehash the things I've said over and over and over again in other threads.

If you believe he has those things, good for you. I wish I had those kind of rose-colored glasses.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

He has some of them

 

[JP]

He has some of them

Easily most of them.

 

[Paradox1]

Easily most of them.

I concur he has a writer and producers with an impressive track record for success. An actor on the verge of superstardom and a studio who actually believes in your vision enough to break tradition.(that's not a shot at marvel)

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I concur he has a writer and producers with an impressive track record for success. An actor on the verge of superstardom and a studio who actually believes in your vision enough to break tradition.(that's not a shot at marvel)

Who also haven't made a bad CBM in half a decade

 

[DrCosmic]

I could go through nearly every element of this film and put my most optimistic spin on it and end up with a pretty good film. But that would just be lying to myself, not realistically evaluating the information.

So instead you go through nearly every element of this film and put your most pessimistic spin on it, and call that telling yourself the truth. -shrug-

 

[Eddie]

Who also haven't made a bad CBM in half a decade

Their output of comic films hasn't been that high in the past five years, so technically there's merit to that. Less so when all you have to do is tack on a few months and you get Origins and DBE.

Anyway back to the positive stuff! I'm positive that, regardless of this films quality, we've just seen an unofficial announcement that the same creative team won't be back for the scheduled sequel. Trank positively just landed a better job. Positive!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So instead you go through nearly every element of this film and put your most pessimistic spin on it, and call that telling yourself the truth. -shrug-

No.

This whole conversation started with me saying that I liked Trank. I have also said I liked Jamie Bell for his mo-cap experience and abilities and that I think MJB can play a decent Johnny storm and I like Kate Mara and Toby Kebbel.

But those good things aren't enough to outweigh the bad things.

 

[DrCosmic]

I'm didn't say you put a pessimistic spin on all, but nearly all. Most (all?) of your 'bad things' aren't bad at all. A coming of age film is simply a coming of age film. It is not more truthful or honest to think of that as a bad thing. A lack of promtion a year out is just that, nothing more. It's not lying to suggest that perhaps they're busy, or just don't like the feedback. It's not more honest to say it's because they're scared or lack confidence. It's your opinion sure, but it's not a more reasonable or rational opinion than guessing it will be of similar quality and promotion cycles to the other coming of age films by this group, especially if your only logic is that you haven't seen the great coming of age films.

This 'my opinion is the truth' stuff stagnates conversation, because we keep coming back to unproven supposition as though it must be true. We question the basis for these suppositions, but no matter what, we come back to the supposition about filmmaker's internal motivations because you and a few others are sure that's the truth, and don't need pesky things like evidence.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

This 'my opinion is the truth' stuff stagnates conversation, because we keep coming back to unproven supposition as though it must be true. We question the basis for these suppositions, but no matter what, we come back to the supposition about filmmaker's internal motivations because you and a few others are sure that's the truth, and don't need pesky things like evidence.

Where have I ever suggested my opinion is the truth? I have offered my opinions freely and never claimed they were anything other than my opinions.

Any judgement of any film is purely subjective. There is no such thing as a 'good' film or a 'bad' film. There are only films that are viewed as good or bad by the people who have seen them.

I have also never said I was 'sure' about anything. When this project started, I thought we might get a film I would enjoy. As the days pass and we get more and more information, that optimism has faded to the point I'm currently at.

I have never said I won't love this film when it comes out, but based on everything I know, I have lost any high level of confidence in the likelyhood of that happening.

 

[DrCosmic]

If you say a positive spin is lying, then you are directly implying a negative spin is the truth. Are you saying that a negative spin is also lying to yourself?

So, you are not sure that Fox is uninterested in this film, not sure that Trank has something to hide, not sure that Kinberg isn't excited about the film, not sure that coming of age stories are boring, and further you don't hold that these views are more rational than the opposite conclusions?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If you say a positive spin is lying, then you are directly implying a negative spin is the truth. Are you saying that a negative spin is also lying to yourself?

Of course. If that negative is based on emotions and not observations. But I have observed a LOT over the past 10 years and all of those observations are integrated into my opinions.

In my opinion, the studio showed much more enthusiasm in the first FF film at this stage in production than the studio is currently showing.

Could that be based on things other than enthusiasm? Sure, absolutely. Have I observed many other things over the past year that have supported the idea that there was a lack of enthusiasm for this project, and have I discussed those things at length on this forum? Absolutely.

Now do me a favor. Go back and read your posts and read my posts. Am I discussing my opinions? Yes. Am I trying to change other people's opinions? No. (if it appears that way, it was never my intention)

Are you trying to change my opinion? It appears that way to me, but maybe I'm misreading it (and many of your posts show an ignorance of my actual opinion and that's where I feel compelled to try to jump in and correct you and continue this lengthy excercise). You can continue to try all you'd like, but if you really want to succeed, you're going to have to bring more to the table than you already have. I have read nearly every bit of news on this project so unless you or someone else can provide information I haven't yet seen, my opinion is going to stay pretty close to where it currently is.

 

[Dasher10]

We're weeks into filming and we've barely got any info on the film (While some films remain fairly secretive, this is highly unusual for a major comic adaptation these days. Dragonball Evolution, from the same studio, already had a decent amount of casting, set photos, and open calls for extras at this pont in production). The director seems to have had a mini meltdown prior to filming (attacking fans and deleting his Twitter account, plus the heavily publicized rumors of replacement last minute), one of the four main actors has personal issues going on, one of the stars has been busy with another film at least half of the time (the star playing the presumed lead, no less), one of them knew little to nothing about the project right before filming (to the extent that she wasn't sure if costumes would be part of it, unintentionally revealing that costume fittings hadn't taken place), and the one actor that genuinely seems excited has been in at least two other states during filming just hanging out. The only person actively promoting the film has said false information in nearly every one of those interviews (the X-Men television show nonsense is particularly bad as publicly available court documents tell us that Marvel has the television rights). I'm pretty sure you have to live in Colorado or Washington to legally have the means to feel positive about any of that.

Not true, Mutant X had to be changed to be different from X-Men because Fox owns all the live action rights to the property, including TV. marvel can only make an animated X-Men TV show.

 

[The Guard]

Boy, it's just lost on people that the "mystery campaign" is FOX's whole approach, isn't it?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Boy, it's just lost on people that the "mystery campaign" is FOX's whole approach, isn't it?

Hmmm - Well that's a positive angle. But is it mystery or misdirection? Because some of us just hate everything that's been used to describe the reboot. Is Fox trolling us?

 

[The Guard]

It's mystery.

I maintain...once DAYS OF FUTURE PAST leaves theatres, we'll start hearing about this film a lot more

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

It's mystery.

I maintain...once DAYS OF FUTURE PAST leaves theatres, we'll start hearing about this film a lot more

I hope you're right. And hopefully someone other than Kinberg. Because every time he opens his mouth about this film I want to punch him in the nose.

 

[Zarex]

Not true, Mutant X had to be changed to be different from X-Men because Fox owns all the live action rights to the property, including TV. marvel can only make an animated X-Men TV show.

The court documents which directly contradict this assertion has been linked to multiple times, so I won't bother doing it again. Marvel holds the TV rights to the X-Men family of characters, but can't create a live action version without FOX's approval due to a lockout provision.

And let's think about this logically. Marvel has 7 shows in development. WB has at least that many. Don't you think FOX would have SOMETHING on their network's fall schedule (X-23? New Mutants?) if that studio held the TV rights?

 

[roach]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/04/27/fox-considering-x-men-on-tv

Kinberg:
“We’re still in this place of figuring out what the future of the franchise will be," Kinberg stated, "but when you look at S.H.I.E.L.D. to some extent and what Marvel is doing now with Daredevil and other shows on Netflix, it makes sense to tell some of these stories in TV partly because there’s just not enough screens to do all these characters, and also because the serialized format of comic books is better suited for TV. Because that’s it, every week you come back to the same characters different story, and in comic books every week it’s the same characters, different story.”

 

[roach]

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/day...simon-kinberg-talks-x-men-tv-show-1201164815/

He was then asked if ‘X-Men’ would be developed into a show if it was affordable

“And that’s the challenge,” he said. “I think what they’re seeing now is with the proliferation of new kinds of visual and special effects, there’s a way to make these stories that don’t cost $300 million every time you have to make a huge movie.”

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Who also haven't made a bad CBM in half a decade

Except for X-Men Origins: Wolverine

Last years Wolverine wasn't too hot either.

 

[Zarex]

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/day...simon-kinberg-talks-x-men-tv-show-1201164815/

He was then asked if ‘X-Men’ would be developed into a show if it was affordable

“And that’s the challenge,” he said. “I think what they’re seeing now is with the proliferation of new kinds of visual and special effects, there’s a way to make these stories that don’t cost $300 million every time you have to make a huge movie.”

I believe we've all read Mr. Kinberg's comments on an X-Men TV show. We've also read about his desire to link the X-Men and FF universes, which he recently backtracked on. I guess it comes down to whether you believe the actual court documents or prefer to "Keep Hope Alive" that an X-Men TV show is juuuuust around the corner.

http://openjurist.org/277/f3d/253/twentieth-v-marvel

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

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[Zarex]

If a Marvel has X-Men live-action TV rights why did they do Mutant X Instead of an actual X-Men show ?

Because the rights come with strings attached. It was confirmed in the court documents that FOX held a "lockout" provision regarding live action TV. Though FOX lost the initial lawsuit, and both parties later settled out of court, it was FOX's contention that the lockout provision was applicable to the Mutant X series.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Yeah I saw your post above that said Fox have to sign off on it, my bad.