The Positive Thread

[SuperT]

My patience with the fan base as a whole is wearing very thin. We don't learn from our lessons.

Oh I'd agree with this in a heartbeat. Whether it be for this franchise, X-Men, the MCU or others - the fanbases have just gotten so annoying when there's even a hint that any of these movies may deter from the original storylines even in the slightest.

 

[DrCosmic]

Of course. If that negative is based on emotions and not observations. But I have observed a LOT over the past 10 years and all of those observations are integrated into my opinions.

In my opinion, the studio showed much more enthusiasm in the first FF film at this stage in production than the studio is currently showing.

Could that be based on things other than enthusiasm? Sure, absolutely. Have I observed many other things over the past year that have supported the idea that there was a lack of enthusiasm for this project, and have I discussed those things at length on this forum? Absolutely.

Now do me a favor. Go back and read your posts and read my posts. Am I discussing my opinions? Yes. Am I trying to change other people's opinions? No. (if it appears that way, it was never my intention)

Are you trying to change my opinion? It appears that way to me, but maybe I'm misreading it (and many of your posts show an ignorance of my actual opinion and that's where I feel compelled to try to jump in and correct you and continue this lengthy excercise). You can continue to try all you'd like, but if you really want to succeed, you're going to have to bring more to the table than you already have. I have read nearly every bit of news on this project so unless you or someone else can provide information I haven't yet seen, my opinion is going to stay pretty close to where it currently is.

My goal is not so much to change your opinion, but to subvert the narrative of you put forth, and show it to be ill founded, for the benefit of others. You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but to say that it is founded on all the information given so far, that's not opinion, anymore than whether the moon is made of cheese is a matter of opinion.

Certainly you've read a lot of information, but if you've put a negative spin on nearly all of that information, your conclusion is based on your opinion, and not actually on the information, no matter how much it is.

Take the previous page, since you asked me to re-read, you compared a quote about kinberg giving the nature of FF during a XMDoFP comic-con panel to Kinberg talking about the visual scale of XMA during an XMA interview. You used the amount of information you have to make a comparison between statements that are not actually comparable. That's your opinion, that those statements are comparable, but you portray your opinion as though it is a function of information, when it is not. You use this to then portray a coming of age story as something boring, ignoring information such as all the actually comparable films to this enterprise and some of the greatest films in history. And then calling the conclusion of 'boring' as 'going by what he actually said.' It seems you do this over and over and then portray this selective use of information as an opinion formed by a large amount of information.

You're welcome to your opinion, but when you portray it as anything other than that, ie formed from a large number of facts, I feel compelled to point it out. Some people have not read as many quotes as you have, and unless your bias is pointed out, they may be led to believe that you are making the most reasonable conclusion based on all the information presented, which, again, is what you're implying when you say a positive spin is a lie.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

My goal is not so much to change your opinion, but to subvert the narrative of you put forth, and show it to be ill founded, for the benefit of others. You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but to say that it is founded on all the information given so far, that's not opinion, anymore than whether the moon is made of cheese is a matter of opinion.

Certainly you've read a lot of information, but if you've put a negative spin on nearly all of that information, your conclusion is based on your opinion, and not actually on the information, no matter how much it is.

Take the previous page, since you asked me to re-read, you compared a quote about kinberg giving the nature of FF during a XMDoFP comic-con panel to Kinberg talking about the visual scale of XMA during an XMA interview. You used the amount of information you have to make a comparison between statements that are not actually comparable. That's your opinion, that those statements are comparable, but you portray your opinion as though it is a function of information, when it is not. You use this to then portray a coming of age story as something boring, ignoring information such as all the actually comparable films to this enterprise and some of the greatest films in history. And then calling the conclusion of 'boring' as 'going by what he actually said.' It seems you do this over and over and then portray this selective use of information as an opinion formed by a large amount of information.

You're welcome to your opinion, but when you portray it as anything other than that, ie formed from a large number of facts, I feel compelled to point it out. Some people have not read as many quotes as you have, and unless your bias is pointed out, they may be led to believe that you are making the most reasonable conclusion based on all the information presented, which, again, is what you're implying when you say a positive spin is a lie.

Willie's view is not ill founded. I find him to be one of the most level headed and reasonable posters on this site. He's also probably followed the FF's film history and this production in particular more closely than most of us. His concerns are valid. They do not represent a minority. The only way I think they are not valid is if Fox has been massively trolling us from day one. The Guard calls it a "mystery campaign" - if that's their angle I would call it more appropriately the "misdirection campaign".

You are putting your own spin on this just as much as Willie is. You're entitled to your opinion just as much as everyone else but what it looks like to me is that you are attempting to elevate your own version of the narrative above his and declare it definitive.

You go to any site on the topic and you see arguments on both sides of the fence. The only thing that will settle the argument is when the film hits theaters.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

 

[Donut]

I believe we've all read Mr. Kinberg's comments on an X-Men TV show. We've also read about his desire to link the X-Men and FF universes, which he recently backtracked on. I guess it comes down to whether you believe the actual court documents or prefer to "Keep Hope Alive" that an X-Men TV show is juuuuust around the corner.

http://openjurist.org/277/f3d/253/twentieth-v-marvel

Wouldnt Disney have to sign off on a TV Show like they do with crossovers ? Because surely if fox did not need permission. Something like that seems like it would have been done a while ago. Even after the Mutant X stuff & like if fox did a show. They would still need Disney permission to crossover Fantastic Four on the small screen

 

[antonydelfini]

Im becoming more positive with this movie after watching DOFP. I thought Quicksilver would suck, but he didnt. It was different from the comic book but it was great and memorable as well. I hope the FF reboot surprises me as well.

And seeing these Miles Teller pics give me hope. Their going for the masculine well built Reed like Kirby and Eaglesham's Reed!

http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/3128173/theo-james-reads-tfios-miles-teller-workout-09/

 

[Dasher10]

Wouldnt Disney have to sign off on a TV Show like they do with crossovers ? Because surely if fox did not need permission. Something like that seems like it would have been done a while ago. Even after the Mutant X stuff & like if fox did a show. They would still need Disney permission to crossover Fantastic Four on the small screen

Disney owns the TV rights but Fox owns the characters. Unless Disney and Fox co-produce and co-finance the project, it can't happen.

But remember the talk of a Punisher TV show on Fox a while back? Things may not be as grim as they seem. I'm hopeful that both studios can work things out and the new timeline for the X-Men films can be revealed to be the MCU. Here's what's going to be the catalyst. It's not going to be both sides wanting to co-operate for the sake of money, it's going to be about brand image after WB puts out a shared DC Universe and both Marvel and Fox will realize that the sky is falling and they need to work together or Warner will bury them.

 

[Paradox1]

Fox's X- men don't fit in the MCU tone of films. It would be cool but how would Jackman's Wolverine handle meeting Evans' Cap. Probably with a middle finger and a screw you. I don't think I could see that happening in the MCU film.

 

[Eddie]

Disney owns the TV rights but Fox owns the characters. Unless Disney and Fox co-produce and co-finance the project, it can't happen.

But remember the talk of a Punisher TV show on Fox a while back? Things may not be as grim as they seem. I'm hopeful that both studios can work things out and the new timeline for the X-Men films can be revealed to be the MCU. Here's what's going to be the catalyst. It's not going to be both sides wanting to co-operate for the sake of money, it's going to be about brand image after WB puts out a shared DC Universe and both Marvel and Fox will realize that the sky is falling and they need to work together or Warner will bury them.

That could have fit... until some studio decided they needed to throw a version of Quicksilver into their movie to replace another character four weeks after casting. DoFP was a good X-film, but it would make for a terribly confusing MCU film. At this point I think the Reality Gem/Stone is the only thing that could bring the franchises together as is anytime soon.

 

[Eddie]

Fox's X- men don't fit in the MCU tone of films. It would be cool but how would Jackman's Wolverine handle meeting Evans' Cap. Probably with a middle finger and a screw you. I don't think I could see that happening in the MCU film.

There are reasons they don't mesh, but the MCU is bringing in a crotch scratching raccoon in their next film. The last episode of AoS featured a brutal scene that could have easily passed for a Mortal Kombat fatality (yes, the bloodiest scene in the MCU to date somehow managed to take place on network television). The MCU's a bit brighter and happier at times, but they've shown a willingness to get a little crude and violent.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

At this point I think the Reality Gem/Stone is the only thing that could bring the franchises together as is anytime soon.

Hmmm, what if at some point the X-Men World was revealed to be the High Evolutionary's Counter Earth? The idea that there are a lot of mutants could actually fit perfectly with the idea that the High Evolutionary had screwed around with things too much when he was 'evolving' them.

Of course I doubt the two studios would ever agree to work together like that, but it could be cool if they ever got past their feud.

And what was the version of Earth on which Reed was the Thing? If they do the FF in their own world, at some point it could be revealed to be an alternate Earth like that within the Marvel Mulitverse.

There are cool possibilities if the studios ever decided they wanted to do something like that.

 

[Paradox1]

There are reasons they don't mesh, but the MCU is bringing in a crotch scratching raccoon in their next film. The last episode of AoS featured a brutal scene that could have easily passed for a Mortal Kombat fatality (yes, the bloodiest scene in the MCU to date somehow managed to take place on network television). The MCU's a bit brighter and happier at times, but they've shown a willingness to get a little crude and violent.

Nobody takes a crotch scratching raccoon seriously. When most people see it on film they gonna laugh their ass off. A guy like Wolverine does all the sudden it's not just rude but its also offensive.

 

[Eddie]

Nobody takes a crotch scratching raccoon seriously. When most people see it on film they gonna laugh their ass off. A guy like Wolverine does all the sudden it's not just rude but its also offensive.

Eh, I just wanted to talk about the crotch scratching raccoon. The MCU also got away with the line mewling (not sure what the policy is on outdated vulgarity, so let's just say it starts with a "Q"). To some, calling a woman that term is WAY worse than the F bomb.

 

[Sharkboy]

Eh, I just wanted to talk about the crotch scratching raccoon. The MCU also got away with the line mewling (not sure what the policy is on outdated vulgarity, so let's just say it starts with a "Q"). To some, calling a woman that term is WAY worse than the F bomb.

Yet no one actually knew what that meant when they saw the movie. Mewling Quim, doesn't compare to f****** ***t.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Nobody takes a crotch scratching raccoon seriously.

Stuff a pissed-off raccoon down your shorts and I guarantee you'll start taking it seriously in no time.

 

[Paradox1]

Stuff a pissed-off raccoon down your shorts and I guarantee you'll start taking it seriously in no time.

Sure I would since it was happening to me. Somebody video recording it is just gonna laugh when they show it to others but get a midget in your shorts. I doubt you get the same reactions.There are certain small furry animals who strike fear such as bats but raccoons squirrels are more pest

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I should stop making jokes entirely. I don't think the internet understands the concept.

 

[LoganGambit87]

i am quite looking forward to it especially after DOFP and i dont know why people are so negative i see tons of positives thing with this reboot we got matthew Vaughn producing,kinberg coming off dofp writing,and very good cast of young up and coming actors,josh trank directing,a chronicle/spiderman tone etc.

we know nothing of the plot,themes,where they plan on taking these characters or how trank is gonna approach them,costumes,all we got to go off is the cast,screen writer,director,producer,etc. and all are very promising

 

[The Guard]

The Guard calls it a "mystery campaign" - if that's their angle I would call it more appropriately the "misdirection campaign".

How is "saying nothing" somehow "misdirection"?

 

[Green Goblin]

Disney owns the TV rights but Fox owns the characters. Unless Disney and Fox co-produce and co-finance the project, it can't happen.

But remember the talk of a Punisher TV show on Fox a while back? Things may not be as grim as they seem. I'm hopeful that both studios can work things out and the new timeline for the X-Men films can be revealed to be the MCU. Here's what's going to be the catalyst. It's not going to be both sides wanting to co-operate for the sake of money, it's going to be about brand image after WB puts out a shared DC Universe and both Marvel and Fox will realize that the sky is falling and they need to work together or Warner will bury them.

I don't think Marvel are worried about WB right now.

 

[Donut]

Thats right. They are currently more focused on protecting the Fantastic Fours image. That fox is hellbent on destroying

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

i am quite looking forward to it especially after DOFP and i dont know why people are so negative i see tons of positives thing with this reboot we got matthew Vaughn producing,kinberg coming off dofp writing,and very good cast of young up and coming actors,josh trank directing,a chronicle/spiderman tone etc.

we know nothing of the plot,themes,where they plan on taking these characters or how trank is gonna approach them,costumes,all we got to go off is the cast,screen writer,director,producer,etc. and all are very promising

 

[Kelly]

How is "saying nothing" somehow "misdirection"?

It could possibly be the fact that we were getting at least, some information, and then even some of that information was said to be wrong, some was never actually said to be wrong, it was just deleted from twitter (information from the DIRECTOR) and then silence. Of course those that are following the project closely are going to wonder what is going on and ask questions. The GA of course has no clue of any of this, but I can see where those following the project would DEFINITELY have questions as to what is going on. It may very well be something as simple as the majority of the film is a warehouse shoot....that is quite possible, easy to hide, easy to keep on the DL, etc....but that doesn't mean that people aren't going to have questions.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It could possibly be the fact that we were getting at least, some information, and then even some of that information was said to be wrong, some was never actually said to be wrong, it was just deleted from twitter (information from the DIRECTOR) and then silence. Of course those that are following the project closely are going to wonder what is going on and ask questions. The GA of course has no clue of any of this, but I can see where those following the project would DEFINITELY have questions as to what is going on. It may very well be something as simple as the majority of the film is a warehouse shoot....that is quite possible, easy to hide, easy to keep on the DL, etc....but that doesn't mean that people aren't going to have questions.

Even if it is a warehouse shoot, I think they should start getting in front of things.

If their silence is part of some sort of strategy . . . that strategy isn't working.

If you consider the top three films on that list, all of them (and most of the other films on the list except for FF) have released lots of little things. That's the way competent studios do it these days. They don't wait until a month before the film's in theaters. Publicity and buzz is an ongoing process from conception to release in these days of social media. Just check out any of the other films on that list and you'll be able to get information, photos, logos etc.

Why can't Fox just release something like this?

Something like that could get people talking, excited and looking forward to this film (assuming the design is right, and if they don't have faith that whatever design they're using is right, they should slam the brakes on it right now).

It's not complicated and it's not expensive. Just a comment here and a photo there from people who are excited about and believe in this film . . . if those people exist.

 

[Kelly]

I see what you are saying Willie, but I look at the number of votes on that particular poll, and it is barely 2000 people. And those 2000 people are probably fanboys that eat, drink and breath the comics.....so, IMO....I wouldn't worry about word of mouth until they stay silent during promotion, once the movie is done.....lol If they are still silent then, then there is a major problem. lol

I think its weird that we aren't seeing and hearing anything, but not necessarily a huge thing to read huge amounts of speculation into.....