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Studios don't try to sell you on seeing a movie while that film is in production...a movie doesn't truly take on shape until it gets to the editing bay. So right now any movie at this juncture could give a flying monkey poo-poo what people thing....when they care is when marketing is in full swing.
 
Studios don't try to sell you on seeing a movie while that film is in production...a movie doesn't truly take on shape until it gets to the editing bay. So right now any movie at this juncture could give a flying monkey poo-poo what people thing....when they care is when marketing is in full swing.

Really?

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Marvel has always been forthcoming with stuff about their movies...however a sequel to a movie that broke records will always have tons of press....which is why we've gotten so many articles talking about James Cameron writing the Avatar sequels.

...as will a movie featuring the return of an action movie icon to the role that made him famous...

...as well as the return of franchises that did gangbusters at the box office.

I don't know enough about Tomorrowland to comment on it.
The ant man teaser wasn't for the public.
 
Trailers matter this **** means nothing. All of that is fan service for the small minority who obsess about those movies. A lot of it coming from tweets or Instagram photos from directors and talent. Marvel has always been good about fan service but they are for the most an exception and not the rule. However after the attacks on Trank for this project I'm not surprised he's shut his down.

http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=100051

Sorry can't link it but the cast was spotted between shoots and Kata Mara has turned blonde.
 
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Studios don't try to sell you on seeing a movie while that film is in production...a movie doesn't truly take on shape until it gets to the editing bay. So right now any movie at this juncture could give a flying monkey poo-poo what people thing....when they care is when marketing is in full swing.

Exactly. The marketing won't start until the first trailer or teaser poster hits.
 
All of that is fan service for the small minority who obsess about those movies.

That's us . . . right?

Why do I feel like I'm he only person interested in this movie? I can understand why those who don't want it to be made don't want to see anything from it. But why do the people on this thread . . . who claim they're looking forward to this movie . . . not seem at all interested?

How can you be looking forward to this movie and not be saying: "Come on Fox, give us something." ? :huh:
 
That's us . . . right?

Why do I feel like I'm he only person interested in this movie? I can understand why those who don't want it to be made don't want to see anything from it. But why do the people on this thread . . . who claim they're looking forward to this movie . . . not seem at all interested?

How can you be looking forward to this movie and not be saying: "Come on Fox, give us something." ? :huh:

That is an excellent question....when this forum was all over the place controversial, the fans of the movie, actors, were all over it....you would wonder why they would not be here right now wanting news?

hmmmmmm.....

Is controversy more popular to these fans than the actual movie? Could that be?

I'm actually kind of intrigued as to what they have in store.....I would love to have some news....
 
I'm actually kind of intrigued as to what they have in store.....I would love to have some news....

Yeah, I may have my doubts and concerns, but the one thing I want more than anything else is a great FF movie someway, somehow.

Let's see something. Let's hear something. What's Doom going to look like? What's the Thing going to look like? Are they going to have uniforms? Are they going to have flight suits? Let's get a glimpse.

Is Trank excited and determined to make the most amazing movie he can? I'd like to hear him tell us how excited he is.
 
Marvel has always been forthcoming with stuff about their movies...however a sequel to a movie that broke records will always have tons of press....which is why we've gotten so many articles talking about James Cameron writing the Avatar sequels.

...as will a movie featuring the return of an action movie icon to the role that made him famous...

...as well as the return of franchises that did gangbusters at the box office.

I don't know enough about Tomorrowland to comment on it.
The ant man teaser wasn't for the public.

Some of the footage was shown to the public months ago in a special watched by over four million people live. Also, if you really want an example of better early promotion for a movie that isn't a sequel to a movie that broke tons of records, an Arnold starring Terminator flick, or the return of a big franchise:

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The freakin' Jem and the Holograms movie got a teaser poster that gave a glimpse of the cast in costume before filming began.
 
That's us . . . right?

Why do I feel like I'm he only person interested in this movie? I can understand why those who don't want it to be made don't want to see anything from it. But why do the people on this thread . . . who claim they're looking forward to this movie . . . not seem at all interested?

How can you be looking forward to this movie and not be saying: "Come on Fox, give us something." ? :huh:


The reason for me is cause the finished product is all I really care about. I am already optimistic about the movie and there is no concept art or behind the scenes look that is going to increase or decrease my interest. The only thing that is gonna change my mind is if the trailer displays a tone or visual style that isn't appealing to me.
 
How is "saying nothing" somehow "misdirection"?

They haven't said "nothing". They've said a lot. The new Fantastic Four will be "dark", "gritty", "grounded" and "realistic". It is "not a comedy". The script is not "larger than life" nor is it an "incredible super-hero tale". These are all the opposite of what I think of when I think of the Fantastic Four. So if that's not really what Fox is going to do then they are trolling us.
 
The reason for me is cause the finished product is all I really care about. I am already optimistic about the movie and there is no concept art or behind the scenes look that is going to increase or decrease my interest. The only thing that is gonna change my mind is if the trailer displays a tone or visual style that isn't appealing to me.

Which of these descriptions are you the most excited about...????

is dark
is gritty
is grounded
is realistic
not larger than life
not an incredible superhero story


As I have stated, I am actually kinda intrigued what this project will look like called "Fantastic Four" yet being described in the above mentioned descriptions.....none of which are actually describing The FANTASTIC Four....I will go to see the movie, just for that fact.
 
Which of these descriptions are you the most excited about...????

is dark
is gritty
is grounded
is realistic
not larger than life
not an incredible superhero story


As I have stated, I am actually kinda intrigued what this project will look like called "Fantastic Four" yet being described in the above mentioned descriptions.....none of which are actually describing The FANTASTIC Four....I will go to see the movie, just for that fact.

Those words mean nothing to me. It's Hollywood jargon that you hear to describe every reboot now a days.
 
Well hey, if they mean nothing to you, then you will be happy with what ya get....so I guess that is a good thing for you. :)
 
Those words mean nothing to me. It's Hollywood jargon that you hear to describe every reboot now a days.

Didn't a bunch of the actors already say Age of Ultron will be "much darker" than the last film? LOL. It's just been the buzz word for these movies since their inception.
 
I can actually see that as being a plus for the Avengers....brings a new light to it. But to EVER describe the FF with those buzz words is simply not understanding the FF at all. If all it is is buzz words, then the people saying them need to bring some more intelligent conversation to their interviews. Kinda sad that that is all they can come up with...
 
I think that speaks less about Kinberg and co, and more about just anyone involved in any CBM.
 
If it's a true statement, then ok....would be wrong for FF, but so be it.

Not so wrong for the new Avengers movie...

If it is just something to say, then yeah....would be nice if they had the imagination to correctly describe the movie they are about to make...
 
People just need to find new adjectives.
 
They haven't said "nothing". They've said a lot. The new Fantastic Four will be "dark", "gritty", "grounded" and "realistic". It is "not a comedy". The script is not "larger than life" nor is it an "incredible super-hero tale". These are all the opposite of what I think of when I think of the Fantastic Four. So if that's not really what Fox is going to do then they are trolling us.

We were talking about the actual marketing campaign, weren't we?

Regardless, how is saying a lot misdirection, either?

Nevermind that no one has actually said to what degree it will be those things, or what those things even means in context. Fans just seem to want to make assumptions about vague statements that have been made, reading comprehension be damned.

For instance, no one ever said the script won't be larger than life. Miles Teller made a comment about how that's not all it would be. Kinberg has recently, I believe, said it is somewhat larger than life. And of course it will be...it's a superhero movie.

I love how fans like to pretend that there's never been anything grounded about the Fantastic Four and the relevant concepts. But then again, most people don't seem to know what "grounded" means. They seem to think it means "lacking imagination".
 
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We were talking about the actual marketing campaign, weren't we?

Regardless, how is saying a lot misdirection, either?

Nevermind that no one has actually said to what degree it will be those things, or what those things even means in context. Fans just seem to want to make assumptions about vague statements that have been made, reading comprehension be damned.

For instance, no one ever said the script won't be larger than life. Miles Teller made a comment about how that's not all it would be. Kinberg has recently, I believe, said it is somewhat larger than life. And of course it will be...it's a superhero movie.

I love how fans like to pretend that there's never been anything grounded about the Fantastic Four and the relevant concepts. But then again, most people don't seem to know what "grounded" means. They seem to think it means "lacking imagination".

Well this is called the Positive Thread. I don't like anything I've heard that any of the actors or producers of this reboot have said about this movie. It doesn't sound anything like a Fantastic Four movie to me. (Hell I would much rather see Peyton Reed's version that never saw the light of day.) But in the spirit of being positive maybe the producers are just trolling us with these comments and those of us who are Fantastic Four fans will be pleasantly surprised by a film that is true to the spirit of the characters and that actually does the source material justice. That was my angle and why I call this misdirection.
 
That's us . . . right?

Why do I feel like I'm he only person interested in this movie? I can understand why those who don't want it to be made don't want to see anything from it. But why do the people on this thread . . . who claim they're looking forward to this movie . . . not seem at all interested?

How can you be looking forward to this movie and not be saying: "Come on Fox, give us something." ? :huh:

For me it's because it's damn early. Some others have released Logos and some production pics but Fox has never been one to advertise the production stuff, they market the movie from about 6 months to release onwards.

Look at Ant-Man, that test footage was used to pitch the idea, it has little relation to the movie in development. The only thing that movie has is the Logo, along with most of the movies up there.

Fox could release the logo at this point, that would be cool, but the movie isn't doomed to be crap just because we haven't gotten lots of pics and logos ect...

They'll come when they come, I don't see the rush or how it means something more than simply different marketing strategies

Which of these descriptions are you the most excited about...????

is dark
is gritty
is grounded
is realistic
not larger than life
not an incredible superhero story


As I have stated, I am actually kinda intrigued what this project will look like called "Fantastic Four" yet being described in the above mentioned descriptions.....none of which are actually describing The FANTASTIC Four....I will go to see the movie, just for that fact.

You're taking a lot out of context there and flat out ignoring some other parts...

I'll let Kinberg's own words address this issue and people can make up their own minds (I've bolded the comments that seem most relevant as to addressing the films tone):

“It’s a much more grounded, gritty, realistic movie than the last couple movies. If I had to say, the tone of it would be somewhere on the spectrum between ‘Spider-Man’ and ‘Chronicle.’ The other movies were even further on the spectrum of being goofy and fun than ‘Spider-Man.’ “

“Josh Trank’s instincts are to be as realistic and grounded and real with this stuff as possible. In many ways I would say it’s definitely more of a drama than comedy.”

It’s still in the direction of ‘Spider-Man.’ It’s not like ‘Dark Knight.’ And even ‘Chronicle’ has a lot of fun in it. We’re treating this as the origin of the Fantastic Four so in future movies you’d have them on sort of splashier adventures to some extent but in this one we tried to ground the science as much as possible and make it feel like it could take place in our world before it cantilevers into other worlds."

And from another interview:

"It’s a double-edged sword because you don’t have people saying, “Why are you rebooting something good?” and you also have people saying, “Why bother?” The core fans were not wild about the original movies, and nor was I. Last summer, Emma Watts at Fox called me on the set of Days of Future Past and said, “We really want to do a new Fantastic Four.” I said to her, “I’m interested but it depends how you want to do it.” She said, “Talk to Josh Trank.” We were shooting the Washington D.C. finale sequence in Days of Future Past and I talked to Josh, and he had such a clear vision of what he wanted to do with the film that was so different from the other movies—it was grounded, real, gritty, and what it would really be like if you went through a transformation and lost control of your body. That, coupled with him wanting it to be a coming-of-age movie, felt fresh to me."

"The tone of this movie will feel as unique as when you saw Iron Man, X-Men, or Batman Begins for the first time. It’s not as goofy as the first movies; it has humor in it, but the humor is much more real and comes from character, not pratfall jokes. It’s a much more dramatic film than it is a comedy. I would say it falls somewhere between Raimi’s first couple of Spider-Man movies and Chronicle."

And on the Torch casting:
"Yeah, the way we went about casting Fantastic Four was, “Who is the best actor for the part?” We didn’t go into it saying we wanted to cast a particular race for any part. Josh had worked with Michael on Chronicle and I’m a big fan of Michael’s, so we knew he was the best actor for that part. We knew casting an African-American Human Torch would be news, but I can tell you it’s something that Stan Lee loves, and I can also tell you that having been on set and seeing Michael bring him to life, he’s really spectacular. He’s doing something really cool with the character that I think will become the iconic Johnny Storm."

I'm sure he has said more on it all, but I would guess it will be more of the same (more usage of the term 'gritty' no doubt).

In a bit of a contrast, Mark Millar, whose role as creative consultant seems to have somewhat disappeared and been taken over by Kinberg, had earlier said this:
“I don’t think you could do Fantastic Four and try and make it grim and gritty.”

And on the Torch:
"I think it would be tricky to have one member of the Storm family black and one white. Is he adopted? I don't know how you would play that."

Doesn't take the Scooby gang to solve why Millar's no longer the spokesman for this puppy.

Like I said, its there for anyone interested enough to read it, and you can all make up your own minds as to what is being said there and what that means for this film, if anything.

Highlighted some of the interesting parts, imo

These interviews can be interpreted in different ways. As much as they say gritty they also mention humour and fun

I believe they going grittier than the Story movies, but not as gritty as TDK, as evidenced above.

In the end these are just snippets of conversations. We won't know until footage comes, that is when it's reasonable to make pre-emptive judgements on tone, not before.
 
Well this is called the Positive Thread. I don't like anything I've heard that any of the actors or producers of this reboot have said about this movie. It doesn't sound anything like a Fantastic Four movie to me. (Hell I would much rather see Peyton Reed's version that never saw the light of day.) But in the spirit of being positive maybe the producers are just trolling us with these comments and those of us who are Fantastic Four fans will be pleasantly surprised by a film that is true to the spirit of the characters and that actually does the source material justice. That was my angle and why I call this misdirection.

Lies to the fanbase are a horrible way to try to market the movie. It's also highly unusual for an adaptation to pull that off. One of the main reasons studios normally hype up an adaptation like this is the built in audience. Telling the built in audience that you're drastically changing the original when you're really not is not a thing that studios do. If anything, they'll try to emphasize the small things that are from the source material to try to win back the fans. Even Dragonball Evolution had the decency to throw (really underwhelming) versions of quite a few things from the source material into the movie, and they used that in the marketing.
 
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