The Dark Knight The Rachel Dawes thread

[lixdexia]

I have a feeling we will have a "Spider-Man" type scene

i'm kinda hoping we get the gwen stacy thing we should have gotten in spiderman 1, where in trying to save the girl the hero inadvertently kills her

 

[Hole Shot]

I have a feeling we will have a "Spider-Man" type scene

Bruce better not take off his mask and start crying!!!


oh, wait....

 

[DaddyGrayson]

Well my fiance dies is just as big a give away.

Obviously it isn't, because we're debating it.

In all honesty though, I think he wasn't watching his words.

 

[Manosman]

i think that after the joker throws her off the roof or through the window, whatever it is, he jumps after to make his escape, if you think about it, his presense at the party must have been planned out very well, get in, scare everyone, kidnap rachel, his escape must be planned out also. It's all part of the plan. Joker def has a plan. If rachel does [BLACKOUT]die[/BLACKOUT] i think it will be at a different point, and maybe some facial scaring.

 

[CaptainClown]

The latter. There's no reason for Eckhart to lie about his tidbit, as it's to be taken at face value. Maggie has plenty reason to deceive if her character is to die.

Also worthy to note Echkart's choice of words. His fiancee "dies", not "died".

nice observation

Obviously it isn't, because we're debating it.

In all honesty though, I think he wasn't watching his words.

Well I am really the only one debating it, only because I want to explore other possibilities. I want her to die though

 

[DaddyGrayson]

nice observation

Well I am really the only one debating it, only because I want to explore other possibilities. I want her to die though

My point is if she said "I die in this one" there wouldnt be the possibility of it meaning something else.

 

[CaptainClown]

My point is if she said "I die in this one" there wouldnt be the possibility of it meaning something else.

oh no I gotcha

 

[DaddyGrayson]

oh no I gotcha

Word.

 

[Laderlappen]

But Maggie didnt answer a question right? Didnt she say something like 'It was really fun, I had a blast, La-dee-dah, & I would really like to do another one.'

 

[perry normal]

Something I thought of recently: was it in this thread or elsewhere that it was being debated whether or not Rachel looked pregnant in the party scene? Cause I just noticed in the Jokerized Dork Knight Trailer, on one of those scenes, Joker drew a heart over her belly.

Someone probably thought of this already.

 

[sclabguy]

^maybe could me anything

 

[Rikxiepoo]

Maggie could have just meant that she would love to be back for some flashback scenes and whatnot, without giving out a major plot spoiler. Its a tough question to answer when the character you play dies in a film xD.

 

[DACrowe]

And James Franco said he would love to come back and do another Spidey and Sam said he would like to have James back.

And no one was surprised when Harry died. It's called keeping up pretenses.

 

[Drz]

Isn't Rachel suppose to be with Harvey @ the Commisioner Loeb's funeral? So ugh, its really hard to put all the scenes since we don't know the scenes but i would personally think the party scene happens before the Funeral of Loeb.

 

[Patty]

WANTING to come back for the 3rd movie and BEING ABLE to come back are 2 different things. She can still die and WANT her character to come back, so maybe Maggies choice of words are the deceptive ones. Well find out in 10 weeks fer sure until then, its all speculation. Im votin for her dyin tho. Thatd make this flick so dark and serious.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

WANTING to come back for the 3rd movie and BEING ABLE to come back are 2 different things. She can still die and WANT her character to come back, so maybe Maggies choice of words are the deceptive ones. Well find out in 10 weeks fer sure until then, its all speculation. Im votin for her dyin tho. Thatd make this flick so dark and serious.

Check the first page of the spoiler thread started by Saint Sinner for confirmation. Keep away from the other pages though unless you want to be spoiled further.

 

[Laderlappen]

A character should have a good reason for dying. Atleast the major characters. The movie being dark and serious are not good reasons.

 

[Jonathan Crane]

Isn't Rachel suppose to be with Harvey @ the Commisioner Loeb's funeral? So ugh, its really hard to put all the scenes since we don't know the scenes but i would personally think the party scene happens before the Funeral of Loeb.

She is at the funeral:

 

[Boom]

I don't know how I feel about Rachel dying. It's just too predictable.

 

[CaptainClown]

I don't know how I feel about Rachel dying. It's just too predictable.

But who kills her? Ahh now that is something we can't predict.

Kind of makes me want to find that scene I wrote if two-face kills rachel.

 

[FinchersGhost]

I don't know how I feel about Rachel dying. It's just too predictable.

It's predictable, but frankly, I remember telling my brother as we were walking out of the theater after BB that Dawes was created for the soul purpose of dying in the sequel.

 

[Drz]

TBH if anyone should kill Rachel, it should be Two-Face and that should happen in the 3rd movie, if there ever will be one.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I don't know how I feel about Rachel dying. It's just too predictable.

In a way it is, but only because we've been following the story closely and are obviously fans of the source material.

 

[Marden]

Wait, why would Two Face kill her?

 

[CaptainClown]

Lets see if I can get this thread back on track. I would want Rachel to die but at the hands of Two-face here is a scene I wrote a while back.

Alright then lets assume that Harvey after the scaring went into hiding so the mob wouldn't find him. His only outside contact would be Rachel Dawes who has a romantic relationship with Harvey. Rachel is worried about Harv, so she asks Gordon and a few cops she trusts to find him. Unfortunately we know how great Gotham PD is and it leaks to the mob who wants to finish the job with Harvey. Harvey is mentally hanging on by a thread in solitude when some hitman try to do him in. Naturally Harvey gets the jump on them first and kills them. That is when he finally splits and his alter ego Two-face takes hold. He knows that Rachel must have told somebody and goes to confront her.

INT- Rachel's Apartment - night
Rachel's room is neat and quite simple, rain is heard beating against the window outside. Her room is dark with the light from the outside illuminating her room. Keys are heard unlocking the door and Rachel enters her room. She is tired and soaked, and turns on the light. She is startled as she sees a wounded Harvey sitting in a corner of her room flipping a coin. A small table sits besides him and a small revolver and phone upon it.

Rachel - Harvey what happened?!

Rachel goes to Harvey's side to aid him

Harvey - Don't touch me!

Rachel - Why? Whats wrong?

Harvey - Cut the bull****, I know you work for Maroni.

Rachel - Harvey what are you talking about?

Harvey - His hitmen came for me, they knew where I was. Care to explain?

Rachel - Harvey I have no idea how they knew where you were!

Harvey - YOU'RE A LIAR!

Harvey pounds the table with his fist.

Harvey - I never figured Maroni would have had you under his thumb! How long? The whole time?!

Rachel stares at him

Rachel - Harvey you know me, you know I didn't do anything like that. Do you honestly think I would hurt you?! Do you think I am just another corrupted citizen in a broken city?!

Harvey glares at her. He flips his coin and places it on the table with his hand covering it.

Harvey - We shall have fate decide..

Rachel - Harvey stop this! You are not thinking with reason! I know you care for me and would never harm me or anyone. You love this city, I believe in you Harvey.

Harvey stares at her reflecting on what she just said. He takes a deep breath then in one fell swoop he grabs his gun and shoots Rachel. He looks at his coin which is a scarred head. He heads for the door turning off the lights. His silhouette is seen caused by the lights of the hallway. He looks back.

Harvey - I believed in Harvey Dent too.

Harvey slams the door CUT TO: credits or whatever

can't believe I found this. Anyway Maggies death by Two-face and why it would occur.