The Dark Knight The Realism Debate thread

[GoogleMe94]

the thing i am not likeing about nolans batman world is that it doesnt really leave anything open to the imagination. the past batman films had ALOT of imagination. ok, schumacher may have taken his imagination a bit too far, but nonetheless, they were great entertainment and fun to watch and look at. nolans world is too plain, too average, too ordinary. and that doesnt just go for gotham, it goes for every part of the film, including batman and his villians. its just, wheres the exciting apeal of it? theres nothing really exicting about nolans batman world, and thats what is bugging me. i sincerely hope that he steps it up in TDK and tries not to be too "deep". come one nolan, lets have some FUN!

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

the thing i am not likeing about nolans batman world is that it doesnt really leave anything open to the imagination. the past batman films had ALOT of imagination. ok, schumacher may have taken his imagination a bit too far, but nonetheless, they were great entertainment and fun to watch and look at. nolans world is too plain, too average, too ordinary. and that doesnt just go for gotham, it goes for every part of the film, including batman and his villians. its just, wheres the exciting apeal of it? theres nothing really exicting about nolans batman world, and thats what is bugging me. i sincerely hope that he steps it up in TDK and tries not to be too "deep". come one nolan, lets have some FUN!

The part that I love the most about the Nolan films is the realism aspect. I believe the Bruce Wayne is real, I actually believe with enough training and money this man could actually become the Batman. That's something I never believe in previous incarnations of the series.

 

[CaptainClown]

you could have a lot of imagination in the Nolan films he really didn't explore it. Look at the Prestige, just because it looks like a realistic atmosphere doesn't mean it isn't completely out of the question.

 

[SodaPop]

The part that I love the most about the Nolan films is the realism aspect. I believe the Bruce Wayne is real, I actually believe with enough training and money this man could actually become the Batman. That's something I never believe in previous incarnations of the series.

I agree with all of that. You feel like you could actually travel to gotham. Schumacher screwed up the series by making it unreal. Nolan is bringing it back by making it real.

 

[Rory gets laid]

The part that I love the most about the Nolan films is the realism aspect. I believe the Bruce Wayne is real, I actually believe with enough training and money this man could actually become the Batman. That's something I never believe in previous incarnations of the series.

Good call. Every bat-fan has their ideal interpretation of the legend, and mine happens to be rooted in the fact that a man like this COULD exist (not saying it's very bloody likely)...I think it's very smart of Nolan to root his interpretation in reality, so to speak, because it allows the audience to relate to the hero a little more.

Just my $0.02 (for now)

 

[TheLongestDay]

The part that I love the most about the Nolan films is the realism aspect. I believe the Bruce Wayne is real, I actually believe with enough training and money this man could actually become the Batman. That's something I never believe in previous incarnations of the series.

exactly,in fact when i visited Chicago shortly after BB came out,i could imagine Batman perched on the edge of a roof somewhere-simply because it was set more in the "real" world.

as entertaining as the burton films are,they always took place in some far off fantasy land that i just have never really related too thus never really got sucked into-Batman Begins totally drew me in and made me believe

 

[Mr. Socko]

the thing i am not likeing about nolans batman world is that it doesnt really leave anything open to the imagination. the past batman films had ALOT of imagination. ok, schumacher may have taken his imagination a bit too far, but nonetheless, they were great entertainment and fun to watch and look at. nolans world is too plain, too average, too ordinary. and that doesnt just go for gotham, it goes for every part of the film, including batman and his villians. its just, wheres the exciting apeal of it? theres nothing really exicting about nolans batman world, and thats what is bugging me. i sincerely hope that he steps it up in TDK and tries not to be too "deep". come one nolan, lets have some FUN!

Google, list a few things that you did like about Batman Begins. I'm curious

 

[CaptainClown]

he loved that its a batman film

 

[Gianakin_]

lol!

 

[Cyrusbales]

BB was an action movie, not a Batman movie...

 

[Bat-Mite]

BB was an action movie, not a Batman movie...

Not a Batman movie? I'm guessing that you hate the comics then, since that depiction has been the most faithful to the character thus far. There also wasn't that much action in BB. There were a couple of fights at the beginning of the movie, him taking out Falcone, a car chase, and then the scene on the monorail.. but that was about it in terms of action. It was far more concerned with character development.

 

[Gianakin_]

BB was an action movie, not a Batman movie...

I respectfully disagree.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

BB was an action movie, not a Batman movie...

wow..

this is probably one of the most ignorant things i've seen written in this forum.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Not a Batman movie? I'm guessing that you hate the comics then, since that depiction has been the most faithful to the character thus far. There also wasn't that much action in BB. There were a couple of fights at the beginning of the movie, him taking out Falcone, a car chase, and then the scene on the monorail.. but that was about it in terms of action. It was far more concerned with character development.

This argument of is so flawed, Batman has changed SO much since it's initial publication, It's very accurate to the batman comics of a certain era, the more recent one, where the fantasy element is missing. The batman comics it's based on are very much like any action comic really, a lot of comics imitated batman, then it seems this era imitates those, which leaves us with something stripped down and not as mythical.

It's not, "what's the batman?", it's "Why is this dude dressed as a bat?".

Any of the live action bat-films can be said to be the most accurate depending on which era and comics you look at.

 

[Gianakin_]

Any of the live action bat-films can be said to be the most accurate depending on which era and comics you look at.

Except for BB....?

 

[Cyrusbales]

Except for BB....?

Read the whole post, it's accurate to an era of batman comics that was rather heartles and lacked some of the essential batman elements for me.

 

[Gianakin_]

I see. Well, I stil respectfully disagree. But what can one do, eh?

 

[Cyrusbales]

I see. Well, I stil respectfully disagree. But what can one do, eh?

Sleep with santa's wife?

 

[Gianakin_]

Sleep with santa's wife?

Really? Have you given any thought to the consequences?

 

[Bat-Mite]

This argument of is so flawed, Batman has changed SO much since it's initial publication, It's very accurate to the batman comics of a certain era, the more recent one, where the fantasy element is missing.

Someone hasn't been reading the Batman comics lately, unless they've suddenly become super realistic in the past year (the most recent one I've read is from a year ago). Considering that I was reading that Bat-Mite is being brought into one of the newer comics, I'd hardly say that the fantasy element is missing.. lol.

Seriously, you've got an army of ninjas hiding out in a Tibetan monastery, a car that fires missiles and jumps from rooftop to rooftop without falling into the buildings, a special scare gas that only works when vaporized by a microwave emitter, but doesn't work when someone's taking a shower or something like that. And then there's the little device that summons thousands of bats in just a few seconds... really, I could go on and on. If you still think a fantasy element is missing here, then I can only assume that you want Batman to be so fantastic as to bring the Schumacher style back.

The batman comics it's based on are very much like any action comic really, a lot of comics imitated batman, then it seems this era imitates those, which leaves us with something stripped down and not as mythical.

It's not, "what's the batman?", it's "Why is this dude dressed as a bat?".

Perhaps in your zeal to attack the movie, you neglected to actually pay attention to it? Falcone's men didn't say that a man dressed as a bat attacked them.. they were saying that it actually WAS a giant bat that attacked them. We already have a myth started that Batman is more bat than man, and the hallucinations of the people hit by the fear gas will just add to that. I wouldn't be surprised if it's mentioned in the next movie, even.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

For real when I saw Batman Begins, they were certain elements that reminded me of Miller, Loeb and Adams' work.

 

[breyfogle_rules]

It's very accurate to the batman comics of a certain era, the more recent one, where the fantasy element is missing.

Exactly.
Although I am definitely not a fan of any previous Bat film. And I rather enjoyed BB. But yes, missing that funhouse sort of psychedelia so important to the Batman mythos. It's a shame that Burton and the rest did it all wrong. Too syrupy.

I'm looking for something more balanced between the two styles, personally.

But anyway, really dug BB.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Seriously, you've got an army of ninjas hiding out in a Tibetan monastery, a car that fires missiles and jumps from rooftop to rooftop without falling into the buildings, a special scare gas that only works when vaporized by a microwave emitter, but doesn't work when someone's taking a shower or something like that. And then there's the little device that summons thousands of bats in just a few seconds... really, I could go on and on.

And every one of those things was done in a 'realistic' manner. Like Roger Ebert said, Batman Begins isn't a realistic movie, but it treats itself and it's content as if it were realistic.

 

[Porygon]

The word we shoud be using isn't realism, but credibility.

Using the words "realistic" to describe a comic book adaption is infuriating. Doesn't matter if the tumbler works in real life, it's still driven by a man dressed up as a bat who fights crime.

 

[breyfogle_rules]

Ha! Good last couple posts. Touche'