The Reason Behind the Ending

[5ubx23r0]

i was kinda upset there was no final swing, but then i realized, it would have killed the mood. as if someone farted during a funeral, namely harry's.

 

[Grinder]

Why are so many people saying this is the end when sony has said there will be more films?

More movies? Yes. Same cast and director? Doubtful.

 

[Iglius]

I feel like the Brock character was underused. I don't think we would be hearing complaints about him if he had more screentime. I know everyone has been saying they shouldn't have packed this all into one movie, and I guess I agree. Both Sandman and Venom's stories seemed very linear and simple. I didn't like Eddie's death at all. It's almost as if you forget about him a few seconds later. I really don't think that having Sandman in the film was a good idea. I don't see what he provided to the story. I'm sure this is what everyone was saying, but if the rest of that time was devoted towards Brock, people would have felt for him more and appreciated the character more, I think. Also, Grace could have done a much better job (I think he still did well), but it didn't seem as though he had much to work with.

 

[harvey two face]

I was going to call this topic the reason behinf Venom's death - but I thought that was too spoiler-ish

I, like most of you, love Venom and was disappointed to see him perish, but I'm reading some pretty crazy reactions here, namely:

Raimi hated Venom and the fans who like Venom so much he killed Venom out of spite.

??? I think if Raimi truely hated Venom he would've treated him like the way Schumacher treated Bane in Batman & Robin. In fact I saw a pretty loyal treatment of the character with several references to the source (the church bell scene, Eddie Brock's motivation).

Anyway I digress I think the reason Venom had to die was simple: Raimi had to wrap up the trilogy and resolve all the storylines

If Eddie Brock had lived he woul've been an unresolved loose end. Think about it - if your trying to wrap up a trilogy you can't exactly have an obsessed maniac who knows your identity still in the picture. Yes I too would love to see Venom return but lets face it - if Sony want to do it they'll contrive a plot device to bring him back.

But within the context of these films, killing Venom is the unfortunate but logical conclusion.

actually big disappointment spidey fans the symbiote is not dead.if you all forgot the scene where dr.connors was studying the symbiote it basically left a opening for either carnage or venom coming back.remeber the symbiote mimic everything so for all we know this could lead to carnage coming in the next movie.and Sony already confirmed more spider-man movies if anything sam raimi is not the only director who could do the movies.I would love to see the director for smallville or a legend do it.

 

[kooguy911]

dont worry. If sony ever wanted the symbiote back they would use carnage. It just wouldnt be venom.

 

[CAH]

Eddie/Venom's death PISSED me off extremely, even though I knew it was coming, because he had VERY little scenes. Eddie Brock SHOULD have become Venom about 1/2 way through the film, tormented and fought Peter maybe once or twice, and THEN the Battle Royale...THEN I might have been a bit happier.

But yes, as many have said, it is obvious when watching that Raimi DOES NOT love Venom as much as he says he does. I don't care what you say.

CAH

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Venom had to die. he was a poison that was inside of Peter. If he didn't die then how would peter confront the darkness within? thats what this whole Film is about. over powering ther Darkness and to be specific "revenge". Venom is the best villian but there was a reason for him to die.

 

[Spidey220987]

Why are so many people saying this is the end when sony has said there will be more films?

They took Hal Fishman's newscast ( "This could be the end of Spider-Man" )too literally lol

 

[venom892]

Quite frankly I was disappointed with the use of Brock. I Liked Topher but he wasn't in the movie much.I wanted to see Eddie descent into total depression. Losing Gwen,losing his apartment,Calling his dad for help yet his father calling him an embarrassment, not getting work all before going to the church. However we see none of that.His hatred is not explored. Also The symboite hatred isn't explored .It isn't even metioned in the final battle the symboite hates peter for rejecting it.. Venom doesn't even say "we".The symboite saga could have been a lot better handled then in the movie.

 

[Liquid_Mind]

i enver thought that the final swing meant something happy. the ending ofthe first movie was nto happy. or was it?

I don't recall saying the the final swing is happy. However, the final swing does illicit a high energy mood since after all, he's doing acrobatics while wistfully swinging in the metropolis of Manhattan. Its the type of scene that is meant to pump up the crowd on one sense.

And by the way, in the first movie sure, Harry was upset at Parker, but it was the Villain's funeral - he was bad until the end. And though Parker rejected MJ, there was a voiceover to lead into it, hence why I said that I couldn't imagine how they'd implement the final swing without a voiceover considering the last scene.

Perhaps with the way the movie ended maybe they coulda started playing the Final Swing theme as he's holding her hand and after they show the close up of the face they can lead into the final swing. But regardless without the music, it would've been too rough a transition.

 

[Liquid_Mind]

looked to me like he was venom just some hours.

and thats dumb writiing. when did gwen and peter go to the club? i guess late. then you have the events at teh club. hten the church,MJ in the taxi,.....
there was to much stuff happening in one night. and then a lot of people and kids on the street at lets say 4 in the morning.

By the way, I don't know where you're from, but if you're from NYC or pretty close, then you'd know there's actually still quite a few people on the street at 4AM. And whos to say that the jazz club scene was at 1 or 2 am. It could've just easily been 11 pm.

 

[bellepheron]

i disagree that he had to kill venom to wrap up the trilogy, sony have stated for a long long time there was gonna be 6 movies so there wernt really wrapping up nething!!

brock and the symbiote could have seperated and brock sent to prison, would have been more plausable than blowing him up and then him returning which we all know he will!!!

 

[markaudette]

Venom may be dead but that meteroite can still yield a lot more symbiotes. Only a tiny glob spilled out of that meteorite. And judging by the size of the meteorite, there could still be plenty more symbiote matter trpped inside that thing.

Enough to spawn Caranage, Conflagration, Deluge, Happenstance, Gutwrench, Buttburn, Whozzit, Annhilate, Boomshakalaka and Squishy.

So Venom is dead but there's more room for the symbiote storyline.

 

[TromaFreak64]

Killing Brock helps ensure we don't have his character again... and to be honest we don't need his character again. If people really like the symboite then they are going to introduce Carnage so they have a different human story to go with.

This film set up a lot so they could carry into further sequels. That includes furthering Dr. Connors storyline, introducing Gwen and her father Captain Stacey, not resolving issues with Sandman (since it was in fact Peter's movie - yet he could still play into future films in some capacity), leaving a piece of the symboite.

We all see the possibilities and considering how this opened, I would imagine Lizard and Carnage is where Sony will be leading. Lizard makes logical sense and he would add something new to the movie, plus someone Peter is connected with. Carnage on the other hand would allow similar effects to Venom, but offer a different character underneath.

Considering how well Spiderman and New Goblin's teamup has be seen, it is likely they will introduce a character into the arc that could work along side Peter. It's obvious Sony would lean towards Black Cat since they seem to have a strange attraction towards her... almost including Felicia in films before.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Think about it - if your trying to wrap up a trilogy you can't exactly have an obsessed maniac who knows your identity still in the picture.

Don't you get it! Having Eddie become Venom 3/4 within the movie then he sees that Peter is Spider-Man...that's Raimi's pathetic excuse for killing him off! He basically said "Alright you morons want Brock and Venom, I'll give you him for the last 20 minutes of the film then kill him off so there's no possibility of a return. Now go **** off Avi for telling me to put this bastard in my film"

 

[TheGreenMeanie]

I really hope they never ever do a movie with Carnage. I dont think they should of done Venom in this movie. It was all too rushed. This should of been all about Peter and Harry, with sandman thrown into the equation.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Killing Brock helps ensure we don't have his character again... and to be honest we don't need his character again. If people really like the symboite then they are going to introduce Carnage so they have a different human story to go with.

This film set up a lot so they could carry into further sequels. That includes furthering Dr. Connors storyline, introducing Gwen and her father Captain Stacey, not resolving issues with Sandman (since it was in fact Peter's movie - yet he could still play into future films in some capacity), leaving a piece of the symboite.

We all see the possibilities and considering how this opened, I would imagine Lizard and Carnage is where Sony will be leading. Lizard makes logical sense and he would add something new to the movie, plus someone Peter is connected with. Carnage on the other hand would allow similar effects to Venom, but offer a different character underneath.

Considering how well Spiderman and New Goblin's teamup has be seen, it is likely they will introduce a character into the arc that could work along side Peter. It's obvious Sony would lean towards Black Cat since they seem to have a strange attraction towards her... almost including Felicia in films before.

I'd love your ideas regarding the Lizard and the Black Cat, but personally I'd love to see the Shocker as the villain in a future Spider-Man film. Maybe have him be a rogue soldier formerly under Captain Stacy's command or something like that...it'd be interesting.

 

[Funkster]

Quite frankly I was disappointed with the use of Brock. I Liked Topher but he wasn't in the movie much.I wanted to see Eddie descent into total depression. Losing Gwen,losing his apartment,Calling his dad for help yet his father calling him an embarrassment, not getting work all before going to the church. However we see none of that.His hatred is not explored. Also The symboite hatred isn't explored .It isn't even metioned in the final battle the symboite hates peter for rejecting it.. Venom doesn't even say "we".The symboite saga could have been a lot better handled then in the movie.

Spot on.

Venom was rushed, with no care & attention.

Raimi's obviously just stuck him in to shut people up, but its backfired in him.

& killing him off just the icing on the cake. Its not on a par with X-3, but its not far off.

I heard some folk saying "WTF?" & "that's bull****" when Venom met his end. Some booed.

 

[ScottishFogg]

the ending we received is the ending the first movie's opening monologue set out to give us: this is the story of a girl . . .

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Quite frankly I was disappointed with the use of Brock. I Liked Topher but he wasn't in the movie much.I wanted to see Eddie descent into total depression. Losing Gwen,losing his apartment,Calling his dad for help yet his father calling him an embarrassment, not getting work all before going to the church. However we see none of that.His hatred is not explored. Also The symboite hatred isn't explored .It isn't even metioned in the final battle the symboite hates peter for rejecting it.. Venom doesn't even say "we".The symboite saga could have been a lot better handled then in the movie.

I agree. There was no exploration to the symboite. No one questioned it. Raimi could have added a lot more Brock/Venom into this movie, plenty of scenes could have been cut for them.

 

[FYI CREW]

I refuse to read everything so if this has been said before, sorry for the repeat.

Remember, no body usually means no death and even if they do die, question it.

The only persons we saw truly die in the trilogoy is Norman and Harry. And I believe Harry may have faked his own death. Why, well think about it. That stuff made Norman so crazy he couldn't control it (even with the advice from his butler) so why could Harry? The deaths where too close also. I mean, what are the chances you would die the exact same way as your father (unless it is of natural causes, of course)?

Now Venom, you never saw his death what so ever. You saw a flash of light (agreed - that is what a pumpkin bomb did) and a little bit of Venom disolve. But remember, Venom always had a way of protecting it's host. Also Dr. Conners still had a little bit of Venom himself.

See, I believe (as bad and corny as the movie was) the movie left the door open for a lot more. I think Harry is really alive. Venom is still alive. Doc Ock is still alive. Sandman is (definitly) still alive. So I believe we can look forward to two more movies (to intorduce Craven and The Lizard - and then Mystero ((which I still believe is Bruce since he has played so many parts)) and Hobgoblin (which will just be introduce really to show that Harry is still alive) and then a final epic movie with the Sinster Six (which would be made up of Hobgoblin, Venom, The Lizard, Doc Ock, Mystero, and Craven - with Harry secretly in charge of them all) fighting SPIDER-MAN.

Anyway, that is my idea.

-SIN-
Jason

 

[OcStat]

venom isnt that great of a character in the comics to begin with. and i hope they dont introduce carnage into these movies. we dont need that. i enjoyed venom in the film, and if he came back i wouldnt complain, i can see them saying he wasnt killed in the blast, just knocked out of sight, from the force of it. but dont complain about the character being one dimensional or something like that, because thats what he was to begin with.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

I refuse to read everything so if this has been said before, sorry for the repeat.

Remember, no body usually means no death and even if they do die, question it.

The only persons we saw truly die in the trilogoy is Norman and Harry. And I believe Harry may have faked his own death. Why, well think about it. That stuff made Norman so crazy he couldn't control it (even with the advice from his butler) so why could Harry? The deaths where too close also. I mean, what are the chances you would die the exact same way as your father (unless it is of natural causes, of course)?

Now Venom, you never saw his death what so ever. You saw a flash of light (agreed - that is what a pumpkin bomb did) and a little bit of Venom disolve. But remember, Venom always had a way of protecting it's host. Also Dr. Conners still had a little bit of Venom himself.

See, I believe (as bad and corny as the movie was) the movie left the door open for a lot more. I think Harry is really alive. Venom is still alive. Doc Ock is still alive. Sandman is (definitly) still alive. So I believe we can look forward to two more movies (to intorduce Craven and The Lizard - and then Mystero ((which I still believe is Bruce since he has played so many parts)) and Hobgoblin (which will just be introduce really to show that Harry is still alive) and then a final epic movie with the Sinster Six (which would be made up of Hobgoblin, Venom, The Lizard, Doc Ock, Mystero, and Craven - with Harry secretly in charge of them all) fighting SPIDER-MAN.

Anyway, that is my idea.

-SIN-
Jason

Harry is dead.....We saw him die and we saw him being buried. His a goner. As for Venom I do belive he could be still alive.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Brock's death is one of the highlights of this movie. It was just so final. And, that's why I loved it, because Brock was one of the weaker elements of this movie.

He had very little dimension, and the whole "I like being bad, it makes me happy" attitude just didn't work for me. I don't find characters like that interesting. There was just nothing about him that made him seem real or interesting, IMO.

Good riddance to him.

I didn't like how they handled brock either. I was hoping they were going to make him one of those guys who are jerks, but not really bad guys per say, and have Peter do something to him that would make us feel really sorry for the guy.

 

[ChinoXL]

You have to be blind to not notice there was barely any care in Venom and his story was just thrown together to make the Fans ****... Alot of people were fuming that Venom died at the IMAX

Some of the posters here even came up with great logical storylines to further Venoms involvement

I'm also confused did Harry have super healing because his wounds kept healing so fast