The Avengers The Robert Downey Jr/Iron Man Thread

[Quasimod0]

The fact that stark is so unintimidated and laid back probably disarms Loki. Loki is trying to intimidate stark clearly. And when he sees that Tony is not afraid, he gets angry and tosses him out of the window I suppose

 

[Mysteryman]

Who Knows?
Loki might throw Tony out the window after Stark says something about Thor being the better man.

 

[Xeno]

Here's my theory: Loki threw Tony out the window because he (Loki) is a vicious ******* with a superiority complex who wanted to eliminate one of his enemies. Works for me (and probably for Loki).

 

[BigThor]

We're still on the "Loki and Iron Man" scene huh, well alllllrighty then.

 

[Smashlilman]

Here's my theory: Loki threw Tony out the window because he (Loki) is a vicious ******* with a Inferiority complex who wanted to eliminate one of his enemies. Works for me (and probably for Loki).

Corrected

Inferiority complex

Classifications

Classical Adlerian psychology makes a distinction between primary and secondary inferiority feelings. A primary inferiority feeling is said to be rooted in the young child's original experience of weakness, helplessness and dependency. It can then be intensified by comparisons to siblings and adults. A secondary inferiority feeling relates to an adult's experience of being unable to reach an unconscious, fictional final goal of subjective security and success to compensate for the inferiority feelings. The perceived distance from that goal would lead to a negative/depressed feeling that could then prompt the recall of the original inferiority feeling; this composite of inferiority feelings could be experienced as overwhelming. The goal invented to relieve the original, primary feeling of inferiority which actually causes the secondary feeling of inferiority is the "catch-22" of this dilemma. This vicious circle is common in neurotic lifestyles.


Causes

An inferiority complex arises from imagined or conditioned feelings of inferiority. An individual experiencing repeated situations in which he or she feels less than others (conditioning aspect) may imaginatively “blow out” their understanding of the experiences beyond what would seem reasonable to another person (imagination aspect).
Some situations in which feelings of inferiority may arise are:
Parental attitudes and upbringing – disapproving, negative remarks and evaluations of behavior emphasizing mistakes and shortcomings determine the attitude of the child before the age of six.[1]
Physical defects – such as disproportional facial and body features, weight, height, strength, speech defects and defective vision cause inferiority complexes.[2]
Mental limitations – cause feelings of inferiority when unfavourable comparisons are made with the superior achievements of others, and when satisfactory performance is expected.[citation needed]
Social disadvantages and discriminations – family, alleged race, sex, sexual orientation, economic status, or religion.


Now Galactus on the other hand has a superiority complex.

 

[cherokeesam]

Here's my theory: Loki threw Tony out the window because he (Loki) is a vicious ******* with a superiority complex who wanted to eliminate one of his enemies. Works for me (and probably for Loki).

I think it's just the fact that Loki likes throwing people out windows. He's a defenestrophile. (Yes, I just made that word up. )

 

[Adamantium Man]

^ I just tried that. It really brightens the mood, the way the scream slowly dopplers out of the audible range.

 

[Herolee10]

I just realized out of everyone in the BIG FOUR...Iron Man is probably the only one that's coming into this film without any real emotional turmoil. I mean unlike the other three; he doesn't have a family member causing havoc, he's not a man out of time, and he's certainly not being forced to live in seclusion, and of course...he's the only one that was able to get a happy ending with his love interest.lol

 

[BigThor]

That may be because he's also the only one with two films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

 

[Herolee10]

That may be because he's also the only one with two films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Perhaps, but even if we were to go by his first film only, he still had a much happier ending emotionally than the other three.

 

[Dark Raven]

I just realized out of everyone in the BIG FOUR...Iron Man is probably the only one that's coming into this film without any real emotional turmoil. I mean unlike the other three; he doesn't have a family member causing havoc, he's not a man out of time, and he's certainly not being forced to live in seclusion, and of course...he's the only one that was able to get a happy ending with his love interest.lol

I think Tony Stark is just better at hiding it or dealing with it. He has his problems with losing his parents early, the fact that his heart could give out at any time, his alcoholism, the weight of responsibility of running his company etc. Everyone, if you dig deep enough, has their own share of problems.

 

[Smashlilman]

Dark Raven's right Tony Problems are interpersonal. Tony has to live up to the reputation of his fathers achievements. He will most likely carry the emotional baggage around with him throughout the movie. It also doesn't help that the guy that worked with his father (Steve Rogers) doesn't even think that he's half the man his father was. Which leads to Tony drinking problem.

Tony's is more self destructive than any one else in the group. He tend to adopt behaviors and engage in activity that are non-beneficial and could possibly endanger his life. Death wish

Like I said I just find it stupid, what's the point of talking **** if you can't back it up?

I think this answers that question.

Death Wish
n.

1. Psychiatry

a. A desire for self-destruction, often accompanied by feelings of depression, hopelessness, and self-reproach.​

b. The desire, often unconscious, for the death of another person, such as a parent, toward whom one has unconscious hostility.​

2. A suicidal urge thought to drive certain people to put themselves consistently into dangerous situations.
​

It also leads to substance abuse. Alcoholism

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

The fact that stark is so unintimidated and laid back probably disarms Loki. Loki is trying to intimidate stark clearly. And when he sees that Tony is not afraid, he gets angry and tosses him out of the window I suppose

The way I always imagine that scene playing out... Tony was keeping up a front of confidence, he knows he is the only hero without powers, so does Loki, he knows Loki could just kill him right there and then...so instead of showing fear, he just plays it cool and casual, pouring a drink, talking about the other heroes and how they are gonna win, anything to keep up the front, to show Loki he is not afraid. What else can he do? Shake in his boots and beg Loki not to kill him?
Loki was probably gonna throw him out the window or whatever anyway, but if he keeps up a front, at least he can play for time until one of the other heroes show up, or maybe even make Loki think he has something up his sleeve for means of self defence.
the thing is, Tony probably is scared during that scene, but he controls his fear, and does not show it.

 

[Quasimod0]

Exactly. Like a power play.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Exactly. Like a power play.

Well, I'm not sure what part of my post you are responding to, because I disagreed with your assessment that Stark was unintimidated, I would think he was most likely scared, and took to pouring a drink and acting casual to mask his fear from Loki.
Stark had no power in that scene, so if you wanna say it was a bluffing power play, then yeah, that's what I was saying.

 

[Quasimod0]

Thats what I meant. I'm sorry. I didnt put much effort into that reply. Yes, he was bluffing a power play. And stark is too cocky to not try to hype up his new team. He wouldnt just give in to the power of loki. He's a business man. He has to conceal his fear and appear to be in control of the situation. Even if he knows he isnt

 

[AnneFan]

I think Tony Stark is just better at hiding it or dealing with it. He has his problems with losing his parents early, the fact that his heart could give out at any time, his alcoholism, the weight of responsibility of running his company etc. Everyone, if you dig deep enough, has their own share of problems.

Tony was keeping up a front of confidence, he knows he is the only hero without powers, so does Loki, he knows Loki could just kill him right there and then...so instead of showing fear, he just plays it cool and casual, pouring a drink, talking about the other heroes and how they are gonna win, anything to keep up the front, to show Loki he is not afraid. What else can he do? Shake in his boots and beg Loki not to kill him?
Loki was probably gonna throw him out the window or whatever anyway, but if he keeps up a front, at least he can play for time until one of the other heroes show up, or maybe even make Loki think he has something up his sleeve for means of self defence.
the thing is, Tony probably is scared during that scene, but he controls his fear, and does not show it.

Agree with you both.

 

[BigThor]

New topic, so what cool things do you guys want to see Iron Man pull off in the new trailer?

 

[Smashlilman]

New topic, so what cool things do you guys want to see Iron Man pull off in the new trailer?

I'd love to see ironman use a proton cannon like weapon but i'm sure it not gona happen.

[YT]Zykrtutkchg[/YT]

 

[BigThor]

Yeah that's definately not going to happen, but it would be awesome if Iron Man shot several missiles from all over his body at the same time.

 

[Herolee10]

I think Tony Stark is just better at hiding it or dealing with it. He has his problems with losing his parents early, the fact that his heart could give out at any time, his alcoholism, the weight of responsibility of running his company etc. Everyone, if you dig deep enough, has their own share of problems.

Dark Raven's right Tony Problems are interpersonal. Tony has to live up to the reputation of his fathers achievements. He will most likely carry the emotional baggage around with him throughout the movie. It also doesn't help that the guy that worked with his father (Steve Rogers) doesn't even think that he's half the man his father was. Which leads to Tony drinking problem.

Tony's is more self destructive than any one else in the group. He tend to adopt behaviors and engage in activity that are non-beneficial and could possibly endanger his life. Death wish



I think this answers that question.

Death Wish
n.

1. Psychiatry

a. A desire for self-destruction, often accompanied by feelings of depression, hopelessness, and self-reproach.​

b. The desire, often unconscious, for the death of another person, such as a parent, toward whom one has unconscious hostility.​

2. A suicidal urge thought to drive certain people to put themselves consistently into dangerous situations.
​

It also leads to substance abuse. Alcoholism

I've never thought of it that way before until now. Thanks for pointing those things out guys. Definitely gives me a new perspective on things.

 

[The Morningstar]

Tony Stark definitely has a nihilistic edge to him.

 

[Adamantium Man]

It's that whole 'I shouldn't be alive' thing. He figures he's living on borrowed time, so he'd better make it worth it. If his death serves a higher purpose, so be it.

 

[IronGirl299]

I'm taking a subject on mythology at school and we're comparing the hero archetypes of Hector and Achilles (of the Trojan War.) I noticed that Achilles is a lot like Tony. Thoughts?

 

[BigThor]

So much for me attempting to change the topic.