The Story.

[sf2]

yet another superman begins story...

i thought they said it was an established superman story in the very beginning ???

no that i'm against it...
just that it seems so difficult for them to come up a good story for an established superman movie... and it is sad. after 30+ years they still can't make a good established superman movie...

and marvel does a superbly good job on their characters.

ironman, thor and captain american are so difficult to make convincing. and they did it well.

but in superman case, people have already acceptted him. people are ready to see him soar high. yet we are asked again to accept him.

 

[_Kal-El_]

yet another superman begins story...

i thought they said it was an established superman story in the very beginning ???
no that i'm against it...
just that it seems so difficult for them to come up a good story for an established superman movie... and it is sad. after 30+ years they still can't make a good established superman movie...
and marvel does a superbly good job on their characters.
ironman, thor and captain american are so difficult to make convincing. and they did it well.
but in superman case, people have already acceptted him. people are ready to see him soar high. yet we are asked again to accept him.

WB's Batman Begins reboot set Batman's beginning years.
So did Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America.
No offense, but your argument doesn't make much sense.

If Snyder's version finally works, we'll definitely get sequels, and he'll definitely want to do them himself. Just have faith, for once.

 

[_Kal-El_]

with Goyer writing I'm sure he would know how to handle Bizzaro...he hasn't let me down yet

I trust in Goyer. He'll do great. And there's still Nolan too.

this film is full of potential!

Agreed.

so you say make it more like Superman: The Movie when he debuts?

Ugh. Superman Returns all over again.

Parasite would be awesome!

That was my first thought when I saw the mo-cap suited guy. But that guy was standing next to Faora. Parasite has no connection to Krypton, but Darkseid.

I agree. His big debut should be saving people from a natural disaster or something

Hence, the tornado. Hopefully...

Two military characters are in the movie. What if in response to Zod and Superman, they begin to make plans to protect the world now that they there are aliens? This could lead to them turning to Lex for his ideas and technology.

It could lead to the creation of Metallo, a weapon against Superman any other potential Kryptonian threat.

Metallo would be a great fit for a sequel!

If there was a character like Bizarro I would have wanted to see just an evil Superman clone sort of like was in Superman III.

That wasn't a clone.

 

[sf2]

no faith. from the past records, WB / DC sucks.

Marvel rules. ironman, captain american & thor are so difficult to make convincing, yet they did it!!!

a simple superman suit, they can still ruin it. how to have faith???

 

[_Kal-El_]

Because a movie doesn't stand or fall because of a simple suit.
If you can't see that, you really shouldn't call yourself a movie fan/critic.

 

[Willi Berg]

I think the "father" theme is going to continue on here. The way we saw it in Donner's Superman and also in Nolan's Batman.

Kal-El may carry on his father Jor-El's work in terms of battling Zod. Maybe we will get to see Jor-El go up against Zod on Krypton and losing. Superman gets to right that wrong on Earth. If we see Krypton history, it may mirror what is happening on Earth (Jor-El vs. Zod, Kal-El vs. Zod.)

Zod here may have more power and influence on Krypton than in Donner's version. He then carries that over to Earth.

Jor-El may lose a lot of influence on Krypton because of Zod. This may be why no one listens to him when he warns of Krypton's destruction. (Perhaps Zod and Faora escape at the last moment?)

By becoming Superman, Clark gets to honour both of his fathers.

Jor-El's records (via hologram in Smallville?) may help Superman defeat Zod e.g. explaining the Phantom Zone.

 

[_Kal-El_]

I wouldn't mind Jor-El going mano-a-mano against Zod. Everyone still remembers Marlon Brando, but I think the comics already established Jor-El from an earlier point in life, so I wouldn't mind. It'd be weird at first, but seeing as it is Russel Crowe, that would ease the transition.
It's another beginning, without keeping tabs on previous incarnations, so the Jor-El/Zod relation has to be reviewed all over again. Preferably a little more in depth. And if Non is involved, I wouldn't mind seeing him be lobotomized by the Council either. I never liked how Donner did not explain what happened to Non.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Yeah, without that lobotomy explanation, Non just looked plain stupid

 

[Willi Berg]

We never really saw Jor-El's relationship to Zod or what Zod did on Krypton in the Donnerverse, besides a basic setup. Nor did we see Superman's relationship to Zod on Earth either (since Clark is with Lois and it quickly becomes a battle for power/revenge on Zod's part.)

In Nolan's Batman, we saw how his father Thomas influenced him, and Bruce's relationship to mentor R'as, and R'as' belief system etc.

Jor-El and Zod may be a power struggle. It may even be a mentor kind of relationship. Or betrayal etc. It doesn't have to be just a physical fight. The fight just becomes heightened on Earth because Zod and Kal-El are superpowered.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

no faith. from the past records, WB / DC sucks.

Marvel rules . ironman, captain american & thor are so difficult to make convincing, yet they did it!!!

a simple superman suit, they can still ruin it. how to have faith???

If these is how you feel then please stop trolling the Superman forums.

There are plenty of threads on Marvel characters for you.

 

[_Kal-El_]

Jor-El and Zod may be a power struggle. It may even be a mentor kind of relationship. Or betrayal etc. It doesn't have to be just a physical fight. The fight just becomes heightened on Earth because Zod and Kal-El are superpowered.

Non was Jor-El's mentor, not Zod, so I doubt that. Zod tried to rally Jor-El in joining their cause for rebellion, since Jor-El was one of Krypton's leading scientists.
Clark and Zod never met before, so unless they decide to have Zod play out some tricks against him, much like Brainiac tried to have Clark destroy his Fortress in Smallville, I think it will be a straight-out battle from the get-go.

The pictures taken at least seem to indicate that much. Both Faora and some huge monster are both in Smallville, and have already confronted Superman. I would doubt Zod is far away. The only question remaining is when that scene takes place within the film's timeline.

I also can't understand why some people think Russel Crowe should shave.
Most incarnations that depict an older Jor-EL (save for Brando of course) depict him bearded. And it's a good look. I like it.

Spoiler

 

[Willi Berg]

Non was Jor-El's mentor, not Zod, so I doubt that. Zod tried to rally Jor-El in joining their cause for rebellion, since Jor-El was one of Krypton's leading scientists.
Clark and Zod never met before, so unless they decide to have Zod play out some tricks against him, much like Brainiac tried to have Clark destroy his Fortress in Smallville, I think it will be a straight-out battle from the get-go.

I just don't think Zod will go on full-out for revenge the way he did in Superman II, there's got to be some relationship between Kal-El and Zod, maybe Zod questioning Kal-El's loyalties to humans etc. At least something more than the interaction we see in Superman II.

Those scenes we are seeing in Smallville could be towards the end of the film. Zod and Faora could have interactions with Clark before all that. I think it will be a bit more complex than Zod arriving and going all out right away.

 

[Herolee10]

The scope of this film is turning out to be pretty huge as it is.

I mean already, we have speculation running about that Krypton, Smallville (during the years that Clark wasn't Superman), and Metropolis (during Clark's official superman Days) will all be factored into this film, especially if it's a origin story.

To cover all of that sufficiently, this film would definitely have to be around the same length that TDK was, maybe even more, because I can't see on how they can shorten this film already without sacrificing some quality scenes.

And assuming if my speculation is true, zod may have brought some prisoners from the PZ alongside with him and Faora (the individuals that will need to be CGI rendered due to the individuals wearing motion capture suits), which in itself will breathe a fresh take to Zod's villainy when compared to the last time that we saw Zod on screen.

 

[Willi Berg]

I was watching the Superman animated series episode "Blasts From The Past" recently. I wonder if they will do something similar in the movie. In the ep., Superman discovers the Phantom Zone projector in his rocket ship and he learns of Mala and General Jax-Ur leading a rebellion on Krypton. Jor-El is the one who discovers Jax-Ur's plot and puts a stop to it. So Mala and Jax-Ur are imprisoned in the PZ. Then Superman releases Mala using the projector because her sentence is up, but then she releases Jax-Ur as well. Faora and Zod seem like a similar version.

 

[Herolee10]

I was watching the Superman animated series episode "Blasts From The Past" recently. I wonder if they will do something similar in the movie. In the ep., Superman discovers the Phantom Zone projector in his rocket ship and he learns of Mala and General Jax-Ur leading a rebellion on Krypton. Jor-El is the one who discovers Jax-Ur's plot and puts a stop to it. So Mala and Jax-Ur are imprisoned in the PZ. Then Superman releases Mala using the projector because her sentence is up, but then she releases Jax-Ur as well. Faora and Zod seem like a similar version.

That is a possibility; though unless Faora is portrayed towards being the man hating/Zod loving soldier that she is before her imprisonment, I can't see her wanting to separate herself from Zod for too long of a period, let alone get close to a member of the house of el.

 

[Willi Berg]

That is a possibility; though unless Faora is portrayed towards being the man hating/Zod loving soldier that she is before her imprisonment, I can't see her wanting to separate herself from Zod for too long of a period, let alone get close to a member of the house of el.

But in the ep. Mala just wanted to get out of the Phantom Zone and she didn't know she was going to be released by Kal-El. Then after some time on Earth she stole the projector and decided to release Jax-Ur as well.

I'm just wondering if we are going to be introduced to these concepts all at once- The Phantom Zone, the Phantom Zone projector, the Fortress of Solitude etc.

There has also been speculation that Zod and co. arrive on Earth as refugees and any alien creatures they bring with them are from their travels on their way to Earth.

 

[Herolee10]

But in the ep. Mala just wanted to get out of the Phantom Zone and she didn't know she was going to be released by Kal-El. Then after some time on Earth she stole the projector and decided to release Jax-Ur as well.

I'm just wondering if we are going to be introduced to these concepts all at once- The Phantom Zone, the Phantom Zone projector, the Fortress of Solitude etc.

There has also been speculation that Zod and co. arrive on Earth as refugees and any alien creatures they bring with them are from their travels on their way to Earth.

True; though one thing is for sure for me at least,

I can't see Zod and co. having come to earth and roaming around prior before Clark becomes Superman since if that was the case, then Zod would have taken over by then.

 

[Willi Berg]

I can't see Zod and co. having come to earth and roaming around prior before Clark becomes Superman since if that was the case, then Zod would have taken over by then.

No, the speculation is that Zod arrives after Clark becomes Superman. Something like Kal-El's rocket ship triggering a beacon signal that leads Zod and co. to Earth.

 

[sf2]

the father battle becomes the son battle???

:l no no...

 

[sf2]

If these is how you feel then please stop trolling the Superman forums.

There are plenty of threads on Marvel characters for you.

but i'm a superman fan. i can't change the fact that Marvel keeps on doing the right thing and suceeding.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

no faith. from the past records, WB / DC sucks.

Marvel rules. ironman, captain american & thor are so difficult to make convincing, yet they did it!!!

a simple superman suit, they can still ruin it. how to have faith???

All those suits were changed from their comic incarnations. Maybe the difference is you don't have the same level of interest in Marvel's characters as you do Superman?

 

[Willi Berg]

the father battle becomes the son battle???

:l no no...

Zod will come to Jor-El and be "All your base are belong to us!"

Jor-El will say "NO!"

and then Zod will come to Earth to Clark and be "All your base are belong to us!"

and then Kal-Kent will say..."NO!"

 

[sf2]

All those suits were changed from their comic incarnations. Maybe the difference is you don't have the same level of interest in Marvel's characters as you do Superman?

that's true also. but the changes they did r good... except for the new spidey. doesn't look better than the previous movies.

 

[Superman_200]

yet another superman begins story...

i thought they said it was an established superman story in the very beginning ???

no that i'm against it...
just that it seems so difficult for them to come up a good story for an established superman movie... and it is sad. after 30+ years they still can't make a good established superman movie...

and marvel does a superbly good job on their characters.

ironman, thor and captain american are so difficult to make convincing. and they did it well.

but in superman case, people have already acceptted him. people are ready to see him soar high. yet we are asked again to accept him.

But there has not been many Superman origin stories in movies. The Christopher Reeve Superman movie and then what? Just one? They need to redo it because the Christopher Reeve movie was okay in its time, but today is too campy. They should have a fresh start to say "Hey, this is the story we are going with, this is why he is who he is, and all that camp from the old story is gone."

There has not been a serious origin movie for Superman in the entire history of the character's life. There has been a dated campy movie that seems more like a children's movie than an action superhero movie and that is it. The origin may be known, but it needs to be told seriously at least so those of us that didn't like the original because of the camp have a big budget, good serious, Superman origin movie at least to add to the Blu-Ray collection.

 

[Willi Berg]

But there has not been many Superman origin stories in movies. The Christopher Reeve Superman movie and then what? Just one? They need to redo it because the Christopher Reeve movie was okay in its time, but today is too campy. They should have a fresh start to say "Hey, this is the story we are going with, this is why he is who he is, and all that camp from the old story is gone."

There has not been a serious origin movie for Superman in the entire history of the character's life. There has been a dated campy movie that seems more like a children's movie than an action superhero movie and that is it. The origin may be known, but it needs to be told seriously at least so those of us that didn't like the original because of the camp have a big budget, good serious, Superman origin movie at least to add to the Blu-Ray collection.

Hopefully Nolan and co. deliver on that "huge Kryptonian mythology" they were talking about.

That was what was good about the animated series origin, it established a different Krypton, depicted life there, then it tied that more to Superman on Earth that was expanded upon throughout the series, with Brainiac, the Phantom Zone etc. as well as a more interesting Lex Luthor.

The Reeve movies are revered but it's not like they built on the mythology and characters created in the comic books.