The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[X]

AND AGAIN.

 

[X]

Now that I think about it, Drax has beaten the Hulk twice.

 

[X]

Superman >>> Hulk.

 

[X]

And Phenomenal can't even begin to make excuses for himself.

 

[Phenomenal]

Well, if you count ring-out as victory and a sign that Hulk is the more powerful of the two.

Where did I say Hulk is more powerful of the two?? We all know Hulk and Juggs battles have been back and forth, I said Hulk won that match by getting rid of JUGGERNAUT and acheiving what he wanted to achieve.

You completely dodged his question. You count WWH vs. Juggs as a win because Juggernaut was "tossed" with his own momentum, despite Juggernaut being fully capable to fight and was on his way back to do so. However you skip over his scan of Hulk being tossed where Juggernaut could have strolled off, as he was making a parallel inbetween the two fights.

I didn't dodge ANYTHING!!

In the scan X posted, Juggs ATTACKED Hulk and CONTINUED ATTACKING Like I said post the rest of the scans.

A win is incapacitating your foe. If your foe can't move, is unconcious, cannot get back to you, is dead, etc., then it's a win. If Superman throws someone who doesn't need to breathe into space, and that person can't swim back, then that's a win as that person under their own power can't do a thing and is more or less helpless and has to drift. Juggernaut however in this situation was not unconcious, and could easily return to the fight with the main trouble being stopping his own momentum and running back. Juggernaut was not incapacitated and was fully capable of returning, thus not a loss, just a strategic move on Hulk to get Juggernaut out of the way long enough to complete his goal and get out of there as the fight seemed to have no end.

Juggs got tossed out of the ring by his own momentum and it was long enough for the Hulk to handle his business. That is a win no matter how you guys try to slice it, "Oh it was just a stategic move," "Juggernaut tripped over his own shoe" Yeah like any of that is relevant. Hulk came to take, Juggs came to defend, Hulk dismissed Juggs to get what he wanted and that is that.

 

[X]

And Hulk then left, rather than continue to fight.

Guy 1 stumbles.

Guy 1 returns to fight seconds later.

Guy 2 leaves.

Victory!

Juggernaut could of left once he "dismissed" the Hulk over that mountain.

Poor job attempting to explain your hypocrisy. :

 

[X]

The best part is that the Juggernaut left the fight because of his own power.

In every scan I posted the Hulk was physically thrown from the fight.

Hulk Fans - Excuse makers.

 

[CBG]

Where did I say Hulk is more powerful of the two?? We all know Hulk and Juggs battles have been back and forth, I said Hulk won that match by getting rid of JUGGERNAUT and acheiving what he wanted to achieve.

I usually assume that victory is achieved by the dominant victor, the one who triumphs and successfully defeats their opponent in the confrontation.

From your continuous statement of saying that the Hulk won, I assumed that you meant that Hulk was the more powerful of the two.

To clarify my stance, I didn't really see any clear victor in that confrontation. I read it that Hulk removed Juggernaut from battle and left the fight abandoned, leaving it inconclusive, unfinished.

 

[Phenomenal]

And Hulk then left, rather than continue to fight.

Guy 1 stumbles.

Guy 1 returns to fight seconds later.

Guy 2 leaves.

Victory!

Juggernaut could of left once he "dismissed" the Hulk over that mountain.

Poor job attempting to explain your hypocrisy. :

How did Juggs dismiss Hulk over the mountain when Hulk wasn't in a helpless situation.

Thanks for posting INCOMPLETE scans.....AGAIN.

Now YOU have been DISMISSED.

To clarify my stance, I didn't really see any clear victor in that confrontation. I read it that Hulk removed Juggernaut from battle.

You read right.

 

[X]

Hulk wasn't in a helpless situation.

You're implying that the Juggernaut, who was ready to fight again in seconds after the Hulk fled, was helpless?

Define helpless, Phenomenal.

 

[CBG]

You read right.

I suppose if I were to make a compromise between what I'm trying to say and you are trying to state, Hulk won the confrontation between him and Juggernaut, but it does not mean that he's more powerful that Juggernaut, least capable of KOing or killing him.

Considering with him being the victor, that seems paradoxical.

 

[Phenomenal]

I suppose if I were to make a compromise between what I'm trying to say and you are trying to state, Hulk won the confrontation between him and Juggernaut, but it does not mean that he's more powerful that Juggernaut, least capable of KOing or killing him.

You got it CBG!!

I know you have the smarts. Now for...

You're implying that the Juggernaut, who was ready to fight again in seconds after the Hulk fled, was helpless?

Define helpless, Phenomenal.

No, I am implying that Juggs couldn't do anything about his goofy ass being thrown and carried by his own momentum and couldn't stop during the fight.

 

[Fading]

You got it CBG!!

I know you have the smarts. Now for...



No, I am implying that Juggs couldn't do anything about his goofy ass being thrown and carried by his own momentum and couldn't stop during the fight.

aaaannnnddd...Hulk couldn't stop his momentum any of those times he was tossed in the above scans either...your point?

A ring out is when a foe is helpless, removed from the battle and unable to come back, atleast not for a long while. Juggernaut was not removed from the battle for long, and could have easily continued had Hulk not rushed out. Juggernaut was probably several blocks away, not half a world away. Hulk's been tossed that far easy and not under his own momentum.

What your saying (again you sound EXACTLY like Dac, word for word) is that Hulk getting thrown away doesn't count because the fight continues after Hulk gets back up, but Juggernaut getting thrown with his own momentum does count because Juggernaut was never hurt and ready to come back but Hulk left while Juggernaut was coming back? You can't have it both ways. The writer took the easy way out of not having Juggernaut beaten, but having the fight end as it could take a few issues of just them fighting. I highly doubt he meant it as cannon fodder to say it was a Hulk win, which is why they matched up evenly and Hulk left before Juggernaut could return.

 

[X]

No, I am implying that Juggs couldn't do anything about his goofy ass being thrown and carried by his own momentum and couldn't stop during the fight.

And he wasn't hurt what so ever. The "trip" carries even less weight than a single punch and yet you, desperate as you are, cling to it as some shining beacon of superiority.

I don't see the Hulk stopping himself from being thrown in any of the scans I posted.

Explain them.

I'll be waiting.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

X, as much as some of the scans of the Hulk wins are misleading yours are the same. You post incomplete ones which try to show the Hulk as a weak character as if you have something to prove and make him as bad as he can be. A loss against the She-Hulk..... I am not quite so sure that really reflects their respective strengths. Drax with the power gem is another story but those losses were not so clear cut as I remember reading the comic....and an intelligent Hulk threw the battle when he realised Drax was a good guy and he was not knocked out by Drax.

What the hell, X? You are being almost as bad as some of the Hulk fans but on the other end of the spectrum. You are more intelligent and certainly more knowledgeable then that.

 

[X]

What else do you need to see from those scans, do pray tell?

EVERY scan I've posted shows The Hulk being hit, hit away from a fight.

Not stumbling, not moving away from a fight under his own power. Being physically hit or THROWN.

Tell me the Hulk didn't lose every single one of those fights if the Juggernaut also did because of what happened.

Once again, I'm waiting for the fanboy explanation of the differences between the two.

 

[bkhedr]

It will likely never come and if it does it will make absolutely no sense.

Honestly man, debating some of these blind hulk fans is like trying to convince the most hardcore of racists that they are wrong. Even if you get through to a few them, they will never admit it. They'll just lie to themselves, you, and anybody else until they believe those lies and you have to convince them all over again. Evidence, facts, canon, logic, and impartial evaluation be damned!

Or worse still your post that crushes them will be ignored in favor of another post they think they can argue. Its the equivalent of a child covering his ears and going "la la la la I can't hear you"

I mean seriously, you got them. If Hulk being tossed away from a fight isn't counted as a loss for him why is Juggs being side stepped a loss for him?
Kinda like my response to Ang about how no matter who you think 'won' that fight classic Juggs matched WWH's strength thus proving the Hulk isn't the strongest one there is. No response. Totally ignored.

Sad...

and its been going on for 500 pages now

 

[bkhedr]

So you've got WWH. Big bad Hulk. The one who is gonna prove how the Hulk is the strongest one there is.

Here's bkhedr who said as early as the first couple of pages that the perfect foil for the Hulk is classic Juggs.

Now forget that the Hulk sidestepped Juggs, ignore that. Its immaterial to my point.

CLASSIC Juggs stood toe to toe in a test of strength with WORLD WAR Hulk and didn't budge. Didn't give an inch.

This is supposed to be the Hulk so juiced on rage he's just running people over. Why didn't he just floor Juggs? Why didn't he just knock him on his ass?
Answer: He couldn't. He met his match.

Thus proving the point I made waaaaay back about how classic Juggs matches Hulk. I mean heck he matches World War Hulk so really, he should be far stronger than classic Hulk.

Booyah

Spin doctor that away b*tches!

(by the way, I made this point before and you all promptly ignored it. Ignore it again and you might as well all get big Juggs pwns Hulk tattoos on your foreheads)

 

[Cyrusbales]

So you've got WWH. Big bad Hulk. The one who is gonna prove how the Hulk is the strongest one there is.

Here's bkhedr who said as early as the first couple of pages that the perfect foil for the Hulk is classic Juggs.

Now forget that the Hulk sidestepped Juggs, ignore that. Its immaterial to my point.

CLASSIC Juggs stood toe to toe in a test of strength with WORLD WAR Hulk and didn't budge. Didn't give an inch.

This is supposed to be the Hulk so juiced on rage he's just running people over. Why didn't he just floor Juggs? Why didn't he just knock him on his ass?
Answer: He couldn't. He met his match.

Thus proving the point I made waaaaay back about how classic Juggs matches Hulk. I mean heck he matches World War Hulk so really, he should be far stronger than classic Hulk.

Booyah

Spin doctor that away b*tches!

(by the way, I made this point before and you all promptly ignored it. Ignore it again and you might as well all get big Juggs pwns Hulk tattoos on your foreheads)

Nice post.

I missed this thread, lol.

 

[X]

And I'm waiting for another flimsy explanation.

 

[DoomRulz]

So you've got WWH. Big bad Hulk. The one who is gonna prove how the Hulk is the strongest one there is.

Here's bkhedr who said as early as the first couple of pages that the perfect foil for the Hulk is classic Juggs.

Now forget that the Hulk sidestepped Juggs, ignore that. Its immaterial to my point.

CLASSIC Juggs stood toe to toe in a test of strength with WORLD WAR Hulk and didn't budge. Didn't give an inch.

This is supposed to be the Hulk so juiced on rage he's just running people over. Why didn't he just floor Juggs? Why didn't he just knock him on his ass?
Answer: He couldn't. He met his match.

Thus proving the point I made waaaaay back about how classic Juggs matches Hulk. I mean heck he matches World War Hulk so really, he should be far stronger than classic Hulk.

Booyah

Spin doctor that away b*tches!

(by the way, I made this point before and you all promptly ignored it. Ignore it again and you might as well all get big Juggs pwns Hulk tattoos on your foreheads)

Well said :yup:

I dunno, I think had that fight gone on longer Hulk would've won.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Juggernaut probably went no more than 40-50 feet. Since the Hulk ran away Juggernaut won the fight.

 

[Gamma Warrior]

X I get your point. However Drax did not beat the Savage Hulk. As a matter of fact, the last move in that fight was Hulk's.

 

[X]

X I get your point. However Drax did not beat the Savage Hulk. As a matter of fact, the last move in that fight was Hulk's.

He was forcibly removed from the fight with Drax. It's comparable to The Hulk letting the Juggernaut continue to move outside their fight.

So as long as people insist that was a Hulk win, they're going to have a whole lot of new Hulk losses to confront as well.

 

[Gamma Warrior]

He was forcibly removed from the fight with Drax. It's comparable to The Hulk letting the Juggernaut continue to move outside their fight.

So as long as people insist that was a Hulk win, they're going to have a whole lot of new Hulk losses to confront as well.

Well, it's a little different don't you think? Hulk was only punched like 20 feet away. Where as Juggernaut was shoved deep into a swamp. I don't claim it as a Hulk win btw.