The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[X]

And how many feet away from the Hulk was the Juggernaut?

I see the Hulk hit just as far if not farther away during the scans I posted.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Well, it's a little different don't you think? Hulk was only punched like 20 feet away. Where as Juggernaut was shoved deep into a swamp. I don't claim it as a Hulk win btw.

They were on Xavier's property in upstate New York, there are no swamps there. It was probably a shallow ornamental pond. Maybe the lake.

 

[Phenomenal]

aaaannnnddd...Hulk couldn't stop his momentum any of those times he was tossed in the above scans either...your point?

A ring out is when a foe is helpless, removed from the battle and unable to come back, atleast not for a long while. Juggernaut was not removed from the battle for long, and could have easily continued had Hulk not rushed out. Juggernaut was probably several blocks away, not half a world away. Hulk's been tossed that far easy and not under his own momentum.

What your saying (again you sound EXACTLY like Dac, word for word) is that Hulk getting thrown away doesn't count because the fight continues after Hulk gets back up, but Juggernaut getting thrown with his own momentum does count because Juggernaut was never hurt and ready to come back but Hulk left while Juggernaut was coming back? You can't have it both ways. The writer took the easy way out of not having Juggernaut beaten, but having the fight end as it could take a few issues of just them fighting. I highly doubt he meant it as cannon fodder to say it was a Hulk win, which is why they matched up evenly and Hulk left before Juggernaut could return.[/quote]

My point is Hulk could come BACK FASTER than Juggs ever could! Juggs slow @#$ takes too long to travel seven blocks. Hulk in that time was able to accomplish what he wanted to accomplish. That's Juggs fault for getting his ass slid down Sesame Street in the first place, with his crumpled helmet.

 

[bkhedr]

If battlefield removal by Hulk is a win for Hulk. Then battlefield removal against Hulk is a win against Hulk.

Simple.

Also irrelevant. WWH - X-men #3 proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hulk is not the strongest one there is. Classic Juggs is at least as strong as this super Hulk. But hey you ignored that post didn't you?

 

[Ahura Mazda]

What else do you need to see from those scans, do pray tell?

EVERY scan I've posted shows The Hulk being hit, hit away from a fight.

Not stumbling, not moving away from a fight under his own power. Being physically hit or THROWN.

Tell me the Hulk didn't lose every single one of those fights if the Juggernaut also did because of what happened.

Once again, I'm waiting for the fanboy explanation of the differences between the two.

Well I did not want to get involved in a debate about the stupidity of most of these posts and I was just saying that I was dissappointed that you felt you have to stoop to the level of what you call "blind hulk fans".

In any case, I read the Superman comic (you sent it to me) and the fight did not end there.

The Professor got up from the building which you showed him getting hit to and realising there was no point fighting, stopped.

And your statement of the Juggernaught never having been thrown somewhere is completely mistaken given in one of the earlier battles the Hulk swings him by his helmet and throws him into a mountain face. Does that count as a win...probably not but it still shows the Hulk bodily removing the Juggernaught from his immediate area.

Bkhedr, claiming I am a blind Hulk fan makes me laugh. All the best to you.

 

[X]

Er, I never claimed the Juggernaut hadn't been thrown away from a fight.

 

[bkhedr]

Well I did not want to get involved in a debate about the stupidity of most of these posts and I was just saying that I was dissappointed that you felt you have to stoop to the level of what you call "blind hulk fans".

In any case, I read the Superman comic (you sent it to me) and the fight did not end there.

The Professor got up from the building which you showed him getting hit to and realising there was no point fighting, stopped.

And your statement of the Juggernaught never having been thrown somewhere is completely mistaken given in one of the earlier battles the Hulk swings him by his helmet and throws him into a mountain face. Does that count as a win...probably not but it still shows the Hulk bodily removing the Juggernaught from his immediate area.

Bkhedr, claiming I am a blind Hulk fan makes me laugh. All the best to you.

Not talking to you Ahura

talking to: Dacman, DevilHulk, Phenomenal, Ang, and to a lesser extent RodHulk

 

[Ahura Mazda]

If battlefield removal by Hulk is a win for Hulk. Then battlefield removal against Hulk is a win against Hulk.

Simple.

Also irrelevant. WWH - X-men #3 proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hulk is not the strongest one there is. Classic Juggs is at least as strong as this super Hulk. But hey you ignored that post didn't you?

Actually if you read the panels it has the Hulk saying he says he does not have the time to battle the Juggernaut and so gets rid of him.

And classic Hulk has had a fair showing against the Juggernaut not to mention War Hulk.

Of course, if it was 8th day Juggernaut there would be nothing to talk about.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Not talking to you Ahura

talking to: Dacman, DevilHulk, Phenomenal, Ang, and to a lesser extent RodHulk

Sorry then

 

[bkhedr]

Actually if you read the panels it has the Hulk saying he says he does not have the time to battle the Juggernaut and so gets rid of him.

And classic Hulk has had a fair showing against the Juggernaut not to mention War Hulk.

Of course, if it was 8th day Juggernaut there would be nothing to talk about.

Man come on, there's no arguing that if WWH could have just floored Juggs he would have. He couldn't. In a test of strength he couldn't even budge him.

Seems to me Hulk took the only out he could (and how lucky is he that Xavier distracted Juggs?)

Remember, classic Juggs doesn't need to eat or breath. He doesn't age or tire. Those two were in a stalemate and time was on Juggs' side.

CLASSIC Juggs matched WORLD WAR Hulk pound for pound in the muscle department. Its right there for everybody to see.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Man come on, there's no arguing that if WWH could have just floored Juggs he would have. He couldn't. In a test of strength he couldn't even budge him.

Seems to me Hulk took the only out he could (and how lucky is he that Xavier distracted Juggs?)

Remember, classic Juggs doesn't need to eat or breath. He doesn't age or tire. Those two were in a stalemate and time was on Juggs' side.

CLASSIC Juggs matched WORLD WAR Hulk pound for pound in the muscle department. Its right there for everybody to see.

Hey I am not saying he was stronger or anything such just that it was a clear tie and nothing more or less. In addition, savage Hulk did fight Classic Juggs also to a stand still.

I personally believe that within the comic universe they are currently evenly matched and at times writers have made one or the other the stronger. It is close eneough for the battle to go either way depending on what the writer wants.

 

[bkhedr]

I agree with you.

Which proves the point I made waaaay back at the start of the thread when people claimed that no one can even stand up to the Hulk.

Classic Juggs can stalemate the Hulk pretty much indefinitely. Forget the empowered uber versions of the characters. Forget 8th day and trion and war.

Aside from one time that Juggs cleanly knocked the Hulk out (granted it was the weaker proffesor) all of their fights have ended with some form of battlefield removal or one of them walking off.

Of course there's also the fact that Juggs stated that they had done this dance before and he won and Hulk acknowledged that Juggs has defeated him but said that things are different now (because he's all uber) and Juggs proceeds to stalemate him. Thus adding further proof that I am right. (While I'm on the subject isn't it amazing that the Hulk himself acknowledges that Juggs has defeated him in the past and yet some posters on this board refuse to? Those are the blind Hulk fans. Even if the Hulk himself says something they don't wanna hear they just ignore it)

They are evenly matched.

We have wasted 500 pages when the answer is and always has been CLASSIC JUGGERNAUT.

I know i'm rambling but I've been trying to make this point for months and I feel like I might be getting through (at last).

 

[Phenomenal]

If battlefield removal by Hulk is a win for Hulk. Then battlefield removal against Hulk is a win against Hulk.

Simple.

Also irrelevant. WWH - X-men #3 proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hulk is not the strongest one there is. Classic Juggs is at least as strong as this super Hulk. But hey you ignored that post didn't you?

What the hell did I ignore?

Who said Classic Juggs wasn't as strong as the Hulk?

talking to: Dacman, DevilHulk, Phenomenal, Ang, and to a lesser extent RodHulk

I am not a Hulk fan. I don't even like the Hulk but I am not going to cut him short like many of you here do, or OVERATE him like some here do.

 

[bkhedr]

Well I apologize Phenom. I guess I accidently lumped you in there although you are doing a necessary task by fighting off the other extreme (Hulk Haters)

As for who doesn't give classic Juggs credit. Man, just re read the fist 50 pages when I was really pushing him before I gave up trying to enlighten those who did not want to be enlightened. Or if you don't want to go back that far, read anything, and I mean ANYTHING, Dac had to say about the Juggs Hulk fight in WWH X-men #3

In any case I am not cutting him short.

Saying that any of the cosmics or elder gods would slap him around like a little girl is not selling him short. Saying that the Juggs is in every way a perfect physical match for him is not selling him short.

The amazing thing is that the 'hulk fans' get all up in arms when someone says something like Odin would pwn the Hulk

Come to think of it. Odin would kill World War Hulk without breaking a sweat.

 

[PhotoJones]

Why would anyone want to go back and read anything DACMAN had to say?

 

[bkhedr]

good point

 

[PhotoJones]

I'm full of good points.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

photojones2: porcupine.

 

[shapeshifter]

so i took a vacation from this board for a few months, has anything changed?
are the juggs and hulk people still as stubborn as a north going zaxx and a south going zaxx?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know what a "zaxx" is, but this thread is still basically just people *****ing at each other over which characters could beat the Hulk.

 

[shapeshifter]

I don't know what a "zaxx" is, but this thread is still basically just people *****ing at each other over which characters could beat the Hulk.

zaxx is a refrence to a dr seuss character. long story, just take my word for it that it is a good analogy.
so nothing has changed. good to know. I would hate to think I had missed some revelation. Like someone found notes by stan lee where he confessed in writing that thor is the strongest ever, or Juggernaut on crack could eat the sun.

 

[PhotoJones]

The last time Stan Lee's "notes" were found, we got the Sentry.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, we already know that Stan Lee created Marvel's Thor as the character who was even more powerful than the Hulk. He's said in interviews that he'd already done the most powerful human with the Hulk, so when he tried to think of a way to outdo that, he decided to go up to godhood.

 

[shapeshifter]

to bad logic can't be used in these arguments.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, later writers have pretty much trod all over that initial intent for years, so it's not really valid anymore.