The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, either method is flawed. Really, the only way to get perfect continuity is to start again from scratch, which would piss everyone off, and the only way to keep continuity perfect is to ensure that no one ever screws up, which is impossible.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Or just create your own little universe, Mr. Kirkman. *Narrows eyes.*

 

[CBG]

Eh, either method is flawed. Really, the only way to get perfect continuity is to start again from scratch, which would piss everyone off, and the only way to keep continuity perfect is to ensure that no one ever screws up, which is impossible.

Well, unless there's a job where it's the person's job to record and firmly ensure continuity.

But that's impossible.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, unless there's a job where it's the person's job to record and firmly ensure continuity.

But that's impossible.

Not for George Lucas. He had a guy named Leland Chee create a continuity database called the Holocron and basically employs Chee to keep track of all the continuity in everything Star Wars-related.

Granted, Lucas has a lot more money than anyone at Marvel or DC.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

But he's a *****.

 

[CBG]

Not to mention, in terms of continuity, DC and Marvel is larger than SW. And the person would have to wade through the retcons and account for them.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Not if you count the forty billion fan books out there of SW.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't say Marvel's continuity is any worse than Star Wars'. It's got comics, books, movies, and TV shows licensed out to dozens of other companies over the years to reconcile into one main continuity line, whereas Marvel just has the comics, all managed by the same people in the same building. Hell, many fans already have a downright encyclopedic knowledge of Marvel's continuity without even getting paid for it; I'm sure any of them would love to follow Marvel's continuity as a full-time, well-paying job.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Or not so well paid.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, even fanboys gotta eat.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Last time I checked, many a college student subsides on instant noodles.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Actually, it's a pretty serious job, as far as I can tell. He basically tells companies that Lucasfilm/arts licenses to what they can and can't do and kind of sets the official word on canon, surpassed only by Lucas himself.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I wouldn't say Marvel's continuity is any worse than Star Wars'. It's got comics, books, movies, and TV shows licensed out to dozens of other companies over the years to reconcile into one main continuity line, whereas Marvel just has the comics, all managed by the same people in the same building. Hell, many fans already have a downright encyclopedic knowledge of Marvel's continuity without even getting paid for it; I'm sure any of them would love to follow Marvel's continuity as a full-time, well-paying job.

Jeff Christensen, aka Snodd of the Marvel Comics Appendix, a site I used to contribute to went onto getting an editorship simply because he created that site.

 

[DoomRulz]

Everytime I heard the words 'retcon' and 'continuity' I think of the mess Marvel made with my boy Ghost Rider

 

[Whirlysplat]

Continuity is overated. I care more about good stories. Every creator has a diiferent opinion on every character, as does every fan. I couldn't care less about continuity most of the time and i've been reading comics a lot longer than most of you.

John Byrne and Bendis are greater than continuity anyway.

 

[CBG]

Bendis' take on Scarlet Witch and Beyonder in Disassembled and Illuminati respectively were ridiculous.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Continuity is overated. I care more about good stories. Every creator has a diiferent opinion on every character, as does every fan. I couldn't care less about continuity most of the time and i've been reading comics a lot longer than most of you.

John Byrne and Bendis are greater than continuity anyway.

Ummm...NO.

Creators come and go. Great ideas and stories come and go. What cements them into a meaningful whole is continuity. It SHOULD be more important than any single creator. Continuity is for the fans to have a world. Without it, there is NO Marvel Universe... just a collection of loosely associated stories.

 

[Fading]

If the Skrull had the exact same powers and memories? Yes.

Actually glad Dac made this statement. So by his own admission, his old stances are invalid.

Since an imposter Hulk with Hulk powers losing = Hulk losing to Dac, he finally has to count Grey Hulk's losses as Hulk losses as well since that actually was Hulk. We also have to include Maestro's defeats, and any other defeats dealt to any version of the Hulk, such as Thunderbird beating the alternate Hulk, because while maybe not as powerful he did have Hulk's powers and probably very similar memories.

Of course unless you're little loophole statement here Dac has exceptions that only favor your side of the argument, not that I'd be surprised, but would just lose you more credibility like said before.



Honestly this doesn't surprise me, Dac's very very inconsistant. Grey Hulk losses don't count, but he's saying a fake Hulk's would? All just so he can say Hulk has a win over Blackbolt. If (and it won't, but IF) this current Hulk was ever revealed as a Skrull Dac wouldn't want to give up all the wins Hulk had, and at the same time he'd no doubt say losses don't count because it wasn't Hulk (no matter what he says we know better). It's just nice to see Dac's twisted statements finally come around to hurt his own arguments lol.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Continuity is overated. I care more about good stories. Every creator has a diiferent opinion on every character, as does every fan. I couldn't care less about continuity most of the time and i've been reading comics a lot longer than most of you.

John Byrne and Bendis are greater than continuity anyway.

I agree. Continuity isn't even that well defined. What made The Phoenix Saga "in continuity", exactly? I didn't see a whole lot of tie in comics showing how everyone else was reacting to a giant fight in the middle of Manhattan. How about the death of Gwen Stacy or Captain Stacy. You mean Matt Murdock, a valued New York attorney would make no mention of such events? And J.Jonah.Jameson may love to write scathing reviews of Spider-Man, but he doesn't strike me as the type to completely ignore a fleet of Sentinels exiling themselves into the sun. Sure the heroes are interconnected in a sense, but continuity basically is something fanboys like to harp on more than anything else. Marvel has been around since the sixties, and most of the time Avengers and it's related solo titles rarely told stories that could be reconciled. How exactly is Thor on Asgard yet also fighting Kang and Ultron at the same time? How is it that Captain America can be oversees fighting the Red Skull with the cosmic cube and leading the Avengers against the Kree? Quite simply, he can't. But we let it go when a good story is told.

 

[Fading]

Continuity is overated. I care more about good stories. Every creator has a diiferent opinion on every character, as does every fan. I couldn't care less about continuity most of the time and i've been reading comics a lot longer than most of you.

John Byrne and Bendis are greater than continuity anyway.

Ya disagree as well. Not that an entertaining read shouldn't be very high on the list, but what's the point of no or little continuity in a long running series?

By this statement Hulk could have his current powers this issue and go fight Abomination, and next issue he could look and have the powers of the blob and have a funny and entertaining story of him trying to shop at a mall and ripping all the clothes he puts on.

Continuity is important. Even the movies that barely use it do use the basics because they realize that it's not just their costumes that got these characters to be so popular and followed over the years, but what they've went thru and the odds they've beaten along the journey. If next week they just rebooted Spiderman, X-Men, and Avengers and ignored all previous continuity, I have a feeling these books would drastically drop in readership. (Tho collectors might eat up the first issues of the reboot).

Edit - I think the masses tend to like comfort. Knowing that this week's issue will pick up where last weeks left off, and the character they've invested time in will be the same character and any changes will be on page. A lot of the average comic/TV audience seems more startled and put off by drastic changes that make no sense, or general jumping the shark moments. So while you personally may not care Marvel does take notice of it, hence the Ultimates not being a Marvel reboot, but seperate continuity. Even if they screw up continuity occasionally now they still follow it for the bigger chunk of the stories.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Bendis' take on Scarlet Witch and Beyonder in Disassembled and Illuminati respectively were ridiculous.

They weren't even intelligent enough to be called ridiculous...

We'll have to make a new word up for it... plotfartery?
... hubristic lackaresearch?

Something like that...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Jeff Christensen, aka Snodd of the Marvel Comics Appendix, a site I used to contribute to went onto getting an editorship simply because he created that site.

Sweet. They need more people like him and Slott and Tom Brevoort, who really know their history.

 

[shapeshifter]

Last time I checked, many a college student subsides on instant noodles.

don't forget easy cheese

 

[ang_hulk]

I wouldn't say Marvel's continuity is any worse than Star Wars'. It's got comics, books, movies, and TV shows licensed out to dozens of other companies over the years to reconcile into one main continuity line, whereas Marvel just has the comics, all managed by the same people in the same building. Hell, many fans already have a downright encyclopedic knowledge of Marvel's continuity without even getting paid for it; I'm sure any of them would love to follow Marvel's continuity as a full-time, well-paying job.

marvels is no where near as bad as star wars.

 

[DevilHulk]

WWH > Sentry > hulk haters crying after reading wwh