The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[TheCorpulent1]

Not the real Fury?

I could totally see Fury pulling a move like that, though.

 

[Harlekin]

I prefer to think the Hulk never killed anyone (and not through some wacky mathematic ability, but just through sheer suspension of disbelief), but it can't be denied he's a danger. I don't necessarily support the Illuminati's actions, but I can understand them.

 

[Whirlysplat]

~watches whirly take suicide pill ~

Tasty

 

[Phenomenal]

Excuse me guys, what comic did Spider-man and Captain America KO the hulk?

 

[JackRembrandt]

Wasn't that shown in the Spider-Man issue of Fallen Son?

 

[Vanguard07]

yes

 

[Phenomenal]

Anyone know where I can get those scans of Spidey and Captain America KO'ing the Hulk?
I think it would be funny to post.

 

[Fading]

Never read "Planet HULK Prolog" have you?


That's what made what they did so bad. He was all alone doing great when Fury tracked him down to clean up a S.H.I.E.L.D. mess. Then after possibly saving the entire world they blast him into space.

Actually the prologue showed something else, that even after getting what he thought he wanted, to be alone, Hulk still would come out. Banner was alone, secluded, then he broke that and went to a bar where Hulk came out and almost killed 2 would be rapers. Now Hulk did a good thing saving that girl, but it just shows that as long as there's even potential Hulk will run into anything other sentient that could harm another being, Hulk has the potential to come out and rampage.

Hulk and Banner say they want seclusion, but when they had it Banner left it to socialize. Banner's still a human and even if he doesn't realize it, he wants to be with others. Same with Hulk which is why he continually reaches out. Neither however react good to loss or injury mentally or physically. So IMO Hulk says he wants to be left alone, but in reality the character doesn't know what he wants despite thinking he does.

 

[Fading]

Anyone know where I can get those scans of Spidey and Captain America KO'ing the Hulk?
I think it would be funny to post.

Sure, I found a few. Have the actual comic but don't have a scanner here, so had to look around for a sec to find some scans. Putting in spoilers tho because of their size.

Spoiler

Which btw this book is continuity, so Captain America (w/ a punch from Spidey) does have a KO on Hulk. This was Spidey remembering his "First or second" encounter with the Hulk.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Every Hulk fanboy on the Hype: BAD WRITING BOOOOOOOO!!!!!111

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Well...it certainly was. Captain America with peak human strength is not going to knock out the Hulk by punching him.

Basically, if he can do that then it means he could also knock out Thor. You think that is possible?

 

[PaulGilbert]

Sure, I found a few. Have the actual comic but don't have a scanner here, so had to look around for a sec to find some scans. Putting in spoilers tho because of their size.

Spoiler

Which btw this book is continuity, so Captain America (w/ a punch from Spidey) does have a KO on Hulk. This was Spidey remembering his "First or second" encounter with the Hulk.

Worst writing I've seen in a long time, maybe ever. Cap wouldnt even be able to move the Hulks little toe let alone K.O him.

 

[DoomRulz]

Every Hulk fanboy on the Hype: BAD WRITING BOOOOOOOO!!!!!111

Didn't I say that like 10 pages ago when I described the continuous cycle this thread goes through?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well...it certainly was. Captain America with peak human strength is not going to knock out the Hulk by punching him.

Basically, if he can do that then it means he could also knock out Thor. You think that is possible?

I wouldn't agree with it, just like I don't agree with Cap knocking the Hulk out bare-fisted (he could've at least hit him solely with his shield to be ever-so-slightly more believable). But it's canon, and every character has their... quirky in-continuity losses. Thor's been knocked out by heat before, for example. Heat.

 

[DoomRulz]

I wouldn't agree with it, just like I don't agree with Cap knocking the Hulk out bare-fisted (he could've at least hit him solely with his shield to be ever-so-slightly more believable). But it's canon, and every character has their... quirky in-continuity losses. Thor's been knocked out by heat before, for example. Heat.

He did hit with the shield first. Couldn't that hurt the Hulk enough that fully powered fist punch KO him?

What do you mean heat KO'ed Thor?

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I wouldn't agree with it, just like I don't agree with Cap knocking the Hulk out bare-fisted (he could've at least hit him solely with his shield to be ever-so-slightly more believable). But it's canon, and every character has their... quirky in-continuity losses. Thor's been knocked out by heat before, for example. Heat.

That I agree with. Hulk has also been beaten by a snake so there you go.

I did not know Thor got beaten by heat, unless this was the core of a star. Who came up with that ridiculous idea.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

He did hit with the shield first. Couldn't that hurt the Hulk enough that fully powered fist punch KO him?

The same Hulk who stands up to Black Bolt, Thor and the Juggernaught (not talking about inning just saying trading punches with them) ....hmmm seems unlikely.

Captain America should break his bones punching Hulk in the stomach. He is only peak human. Spiderman should even have a hard time in a straight up fist fight but at least he is a class 20.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He did hit with the shield first. Couldn't that hurt the Hulk enough that fully powered fist punch KO him?

In a word... no. Or, to be more specific, if it could, the Hulk has been portrayed as uncharacteristically tough in other instances because he's taken shield blows and been fine. I remember one specific instance during his days as the Professor Hulk where Cap hopped on his back and slammed his shield into the back of the Hulk's neck with absolutely no effect. The Hulk thanked him for scratching an itch and then bent a streetlamp to tie him up.

What do you mean heat KO'ed Thor

I did not know Thor got beaten by heat, unless this was the core of a star. Who came up with that ridiculous idea.

Nope, it was the heat of a lava-filled area of Asgard. When he first met Thor, Beta Ray Bill managed to get Mjolnir away from him and gained its power while Thor reverted to Blake. Odin decreed they must fight to the death to see who would keep Mjolnir and sent them to Skartheim, a fiery region of Asgard, to do it. They fought each other evenly, but Thor eventually passed out due to the intense heat while Bill's cybernetic body gave him better resistance to the heat. Bill saved Thor's life rather than killing him and Odin rewarded him with Stormbreaker.

The guy who came up with that ridiculous idea was Walt Simonson.

 

[CBG]

Since his collaborations with Tim Sale, I've yet to read a good story from Jeph Loeb. Fallen Son. . . wasn't that interesting, when I first read it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked it. The issues had some problems--Cap KO'ing the Hulk being a major one--but overall they were all right. The Hawkeye one was especially good.

Of course, we could always just interpret that Cap scene as Peter looking back on a past encounter with Cap through rose-tinted lenses. Memories are never 100% reliable, after all, let alone when they're from a guy whose hero just died.

 

[Phenomenal]

Sure, I found a few. Have the actual comic but don't have a scanner here, so had to look around for a sec to find some scans. Putting in spoilers tho because of their size.

Spoiler

Which btw this book is continuity, so Captain America (w/ a punch from Spidey) does have a KO on Hulk. This was Spidey remembering his "First or second" encounter with the Hulk.

LMAO!!! Thank you so much!!!!!

Fading CB, how do you feel about marvel's continuity stories? Do you think many (I think so) have very bad writing? Do you consider this bad writing?
Thanks again for your help!

 

[CBG]

Fading CB, how do you feel about marvel's continuity stories?

It's piles and piles of retcons, if one tries to keep with its history or is aware of it. DC tries to keep theirs clean with their Crises event to reboot their continuity. Of course, the keyword is try.

Do you think many (I think so) have very bad writing?

Depends on what you pick on for bad writing. Characterization? Displays of power? Or story?

Of the recent big events for Marvel, Annihilation was by far the best IMO. Better than Disassembled and House of M prior and Civil War which ran alongside it.

Do you consider this bad writing?

Feat-wise? I think it's pretty bad.

Off-topic, I felt sorry for Rhino in the issue. Visited the grave of his mother, Spider-Man ruined that.

 

[Phenomenal]

It's piles and piles of retcons, if one tries to keep with its history or is aware of it. DC tries to keep theirs clean with their Crises event to reboot their continuity. Of course, the keyword is try.

Yeah at least DC tries to follow through with crisis.

Depends on what you pick on for bad writing. Characterization? Displays of power? Or story?

Of the recent big events for Marvel, Annihilation was by far the best IMO. Better than Disassembled and House of M prior and Civil War which ran alongside it.

I am usually talking about battles, for example Thor Beating Hulk and Thing with one arm; THAT's bad writing.

Feat-wise? I think it's pretty bad.

Off-topic, I felt sorry for Rhino in the issue. Visited the grave of his mother, Spider-Man ruined that.

Yeah I think it's pretty bad too, feat-wise.

Spider-man always ruins it for Rhino.t:

speaking of that, is Civil war and WWHulk connected in anyway?

 

[CBG]

Yeah at least DC tries to follow through with crisis.

Well, not everything works out fine and dandy. The purpose of the original Crisis was to streamline their continuity. Infinite Crisis not only rebooted it, but it also expanded continuity, with the reintroduction of the multiverse for DC.

I am usually talking about battles, for example Thor Beating Hulk and Thing with one arm; THAT's bad writing.

Thor inherited the Odinforce from his father.

Yeah I think it's pretty bad too, feat-wise.

Spider-man always ruins it for Rhino.t:

speaking of that, is Civil war and WWHulk connected in anyway?

Somewhat. Mainly by the Illuminati and the responsibility of his actions.

 

[Phenomenal]

Well, not everything works out fine and dandy. The purpose of the original Crisis was to streamline their continuity. Infinite Crisis not only rebooted it, but it also expanded continuity, with the reintroduction of the multiverse for DC.

Yep, I thought so, especially with the multiverse thing.

Thor inherited the Odinforce from his father.

STILL, Thor with ONE arm can't beat a guy who he has struggled with for years (Hulk) and the Thing at th SAME time. Hell, Wolverine cut his arm off.

Somewhat. Mainly by the Illuminati and the responsibility of his actions.

Mmmm...Not the same Hulk though!