The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd be nice if Thor, Hercules, the Sentry, the Thing, the Hulk, Gladiator, and Colossus just stuck right around the same level as each other. Spread the super-strong guys out but give every corner of the Marvel universe one or two who are worth their salt. I don't want to see the X-Men get punked in the strength department because Colossus is only class 80 or whatever.

 

[Franklin Richards]

These guys.

And THAT'S IT!!

(except Hercules. Where was he?)

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, and Namor and Sasquatch. They should be up there in the strength department, too. Wonder Man I could go either way on, since he's often on the same team as Thor or the Sentry.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Sentry stole Wonder Man's schtick. The whole self doubt with super strength thing was his. He just didn't go crazy and rip people's heads off.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Sentry stole Wonder Man's schtick. The whole self doubt with super strength thing was his. He just didn't go crazy and rip people's heads off.

i will say i did enjoy that badass/horrific scene though, just glad he really didnt kill her.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Sentry stole Wonder Man's schtick. The whole self doubt with super strength thing was his. He just didn't go crazy and rip people's heads off.

And that's why the Sentry succeeds with today's audiences instead of Wonder Man. Comic readers are a bloodthirsty lot these days.

 

[Vanguard07]

These guys.

And THAT'S IT!!

(except Hercules. Where was he?)

He was no doubt off wenching and generally being awesome.

 

[tricon7]

I don't think I've ever actually read an issue where Hercules beats either Thor or the Hulk. He's fought Thor to a stalemate (which you would think would make him equal to him), and I don't know how he's done against the Hulk (though now that the Hulk is omnipotent, Hercules would get flattened, if not killed). I do think that Hercules has been shafted, but I guess that the level of a character's strength is always a function of his popularity, and his has never been that great.

Speaking of the Hulk, when the writers and directors give him limitless power and make him completely invulnerable, where's the challenge or drama in that? Just watching him pound one hero after another into the dirt and showing how everything bounces off him, issue after issue, should get old to most readers after a while. I mean, like in Hulk #5 when Thor smashes his mjolnir with all his might directly into the Hulk's face and he just smiles - c'mon, really. So much for the Thor/Hulk rivalry, eh?

IMHO, pretty soon sales for the Hulk should go down, since a collective yawn should go up when reading of how yet another Marvel strongman gets mashed by an angrier-than-he's-ever-been-before *yawn* Hulk.

I think the editors and writers have gone after a quick buck by all this novelty of the Hulk now being crazy strong, but it can't last. It reminds me of the DC editors, who decided they'd "kill of" Superman, knowing full well they were going to "bring him back to life" in a later issue (a fact they kept secretly under wraps). At least now would be a good time for there to be a DC-Marvel crossover, featuring the Hulk taking on either Superman or Wonder Woman. He'd fix their red wagons for sure.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

That was Rulk in Hulk #5 and he got defeated in the very next comic.

 

[tricon7]

On a separate topic, one thing's always bugged me. Why is it in DC that Wonder Woman is supposedly their strongest character, with the possible exception of Superman (and even then she almost kicks his butt)? I mean, really, in a medium like comics where 99% of the readers are hormonal-driven males, to have a 110 lb. woman beating every male superhero in the lineup strikes me as being misguided at best and schizophrenic at worst. Isn't that a little like having Little Lotta play with Superman in her dollhouse? Girls reading LL don't want to see muscle-bound superheros alongside their fuzzy, soft, cuddly characters any more than guys want to see their favorite Arnold-Schwarzenegger-like heros get their faces pounded in by a supermodel in a bathing suit.

Is there anyone else out there who feels the same way?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well Wonder Woman isn't exactly your average woman. She is basically a goddess. Her being able to beat anyone is understandable IMO.

 

[tricon7]

That was Rulk in Hulk #5 and he got defeated in the very next comic.

I admit I didn't read the next comic, so I don't know how the Hulk got defeated, but the only way I'd feel pacified would be if Thor gave to the Hulk as good as he got.

 

[tricon7]

Well Wonder Woman isn't exactly your average woman. She is basically a goddess. Her being able to beat anyone is understandable IMO.

Goddess-schmoddess.....she's still a 110-lb. supermodel beating the cr** out of extremely strong superheros 5X-10X her weight.

"But you have to understand - she has fill-in-the-blank powers! And she's special - she's a fill-in-the-blank! That's why she can beat them all!" Right. I'm so totally unmoved. So, an 11-yr. old girl who's also a goddess leaves wherever to decide to be a superheroine. So she's gonna be able to hand Superman his head on a plate? After all, she's a goddess! *The audience ooohs and aaahs here*

Someone will always find a reason why a stick-thin woman, contrary to actual reality (if you know what I mean), can beat a Superman or Hulk. If WW were ugly or even ordinary-looking, she's have only lasted four issues. It's precisely because she's beautiful that some people swallow the absurdity that she can beat even one out of ten superheroes, much less its premier players.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

You're talking about physique here. Well Superman is probably no more than 250 pounds. Last time I checked 250 pound blokes can't lift planes and other ridiculously heavy ****.

The point is Wonder Womans powers don't come from her muscles, they come from omnipotent powers granted to her by the gods.

I'm only about 180 pounds. But if I was granted otherworldly powers by the gods then sure as **** I could beat anyone out there.

 

[Savage]

Goddess-schmoddess.....she's still a 110-lb. supermodel beating the cr** out of extremely strong superheros 5X-10X her weight.

"But you have to understand - she has fill-in-the-blank powers! And she's special - she's a fill-in-the-blank! That's why she can beat them all!" Right. I'm so totally unmoved. So, an 11-yr. old girl who's also a goddess leaves wherever to decide to be a superheroine. So she's gonna be able to hand Superman his head on a plate? After all, she's a goddess! *The audience ooohs and aaahs here*

Someone will always find a reason why a stick-thin woman, contrary to actual reality (if you know what I mean), can beat a Superman or Hulk. If WW were ugly or even ordinary-looking, she's have only lasted four issues. It's precisely because she's beautiful that some people swallow the absurdity that she can beat even one out of ten superheroes, much less its premier players.

Okay so let me get this straight. A woman cannot be stronger than a man. Regardless of superpowers where the actual size and shape of the body has no impact whatsoever. Got it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah since when have superheroes had proportional strength. Molly on runaways for instance is a little girl with super strength i believe that is stronger then even spider-man

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I admit I didn't read the next comic, so I don't know how the Hulk got defeated, but the only way I'd feel pacified would be if Thor gave to the Hulk as good as he got.

What I am saying that it was not the Hulk but Rulk (you know the red colorred character that looks like the Hulk).

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Just to add to what is said above, Strength is not at all proportional to size in the comic book world. the sources for it are unexplainnned. Do I personally find it a bit ridiculous to make a 10 year old girl super strong.....yes but it is the comic book world and it is the laws of that world.

WW is as strong as the writers want her to be and if they want her to defeat Superman then she will defeat him. It is the same in reverse. The power levels are volatile and not very consistent.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think I've ever actually read an issue where Hercules beats either Thor or the Hulk. He's fought Thor to a stalemate (which you would think would make him equal to him), and I don't know how he's done against the Hulk (though now that the Hulk is omnipotent, Hercules would get flattened, if not killed). I do think that Hercules has been shafted, but I guess that the level of a character's strength is always a function of his popularity, and his has never been that great.

Speaking of the Hulk, when the writers and directors give him limitless power and make him completely invulnerable, where's the challenge or drama in that? Just watching him pound one hero after another into the dirt and showing how everything bounces off him, issue after issue, should get old to most readers after a while. I mean, like in Hulk #5 when Thor smashes his mjolnir with all his might directly into the Hulk's face and he just smiles - c'mon, really. So much for the Thor/Hulk rivalry, eh?

IMHO, pretty soon sales for the Hulk should go down, since a collective yawn should go up when reading of how yet another Marvel strongman gets mashed by an angrier-than-he's-ever-been-before *yawn* Hulk.

I think the editors and writers have gone after a quick buck by all this novelty of the Hulk now being crazy strong, but it can't last. It reminds me of the DC editors, who decided they'd "kill of" Superman, knowing full well they were going to "bring him back to life" in a later issue (a fact they kept secretly under wraps). At least now would be a good time for there to be a DC-Marvel crossover, featuring the Hulk taking on either Superman or Wonder Woman. He'd fix their red wagons for sure.

You misunderstand the nature of the average Hulk fan. They don't care about things like drama and character development. They just want to see their character dominate everything in the universe 'cause he's the strongest evarr and it's f***in' awesome!!!!11

 

[Ahura Mazda]

You misunderstand the nature of the average Hulk fan. They don't care about things like drama and character development. They just want to see their character dominate everything in the universe 'cause he's the strongest evarr and it's f***in' awesome!!!!11

I think you are a bit severe here. I don't expect the Hulk to dominate everyone especially characters like the Living Tribunal

 

[TheCorpulent1]

You're a better-than-average Hulk fan.

 

[Savage]

I actually care more about Bruce Banner than I care about Hulk. I didn't even really consider Hulk a character until Planet Hulk/WWH where he was actually developed into something interesting. Before that he was just this...force so I accepted him dominating everything because he wasn't a character to me. It was like trying to fight a tornado.

That said, complete domination of other characters is not fun to read. There's no drama. I liked that he struggled with Sentry, Dr. Strange, and Black Bolt. Or that he had to think to beat the Silver Surfer.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't really call the Dr. Strange fight a struggle. The Hulk broke his hands and Strange apparently lost his f***ing mind. And then it still didn't really matter.

I like the Hulk comics when they're more about Banner than the Hulk as well. Planet Hulk is an exception, since the Hulk was smart enough to actually have some character development. The best of both worlds for me, though, was the professor Hulk era... which, of course, many Hulk fanboys hate because the professor Hulk wasn't quite as absurdly strong as the savage, mentally incompetent version.

 

[tricon7]

You misunderstand the nature of the average Hulk fan. They don't care about things like drama and character development. They just want to see their character dominate everything in the universe 'cause he's the strongest evarr and it's f***in' awesome!!!!11

Yeah, I may be trying to use too much logic in my thinking here. But that only means that the editors and writers are pandering to the juvenile crowd instead of creating a believable character. However, you know what they say about money talking.

Btw, in the upcoming Avengers film, they're talking about doing the characters CGI (except for Captain America, I imagine). If so, then the Thor flick would mean he would also be CGI. On the one hand, I think a real person would be more believable, but they could certainly give Thor a lot of muscle mass if he could be created on the computer. And following Marvel logic, the bigger he is, the stronger he has to be, right? (This doesn't follow DC logic, where a petite woman like WW can crush all their superheroes).

Could you imagine if they made Thor 15-ft. tall for the film like they did the Hulk in his first movie? That would be a riot! That would be a fight I'd like to see - him and the Hulk, both towering giants. Of course, Thor would have to be a giant to hope to have a chance against any color-version of the Hulk these days. I just hope the Avengers movie doesn't turn out to be a Hulk + his sidekicks flick.

 

[Paradox1]

DC doesn't mind Superman getting his butt handed to him, Supes often looses to Captain Marvel where popularity has nothing to do with it. There reasoning is Supes has two weakness kryptonite and magic. Imagine if Marvel writers used the same logic to there powerhouse.