Comics The SUPERIOR Spider-Man - Part 2

[socool]

My biggest problem with Slott's writing is the dialogue is so campy. It hardly ever takes itself seriously and everything is told to the reader. Truly good writing tells what he needs without actually telling anything (if that makes sense) The stories he writes are just fine, but his dialogue is garbage. I say he should be the one to outline the stories and they should get someone else to actually write it. I believe they did that with the latest Smythe story, correct? That worked out much better. That arc was one of the best written ones in a long time.

Whatever. Just my opinion. I still do enjoy the book. I just have some nitpicks with it is all.

 

[The Infernal]

His dialogue is pretty cheesy. Though saying that it could be seen as a change in tone if someone else were to handle the writing day to day instead of Slott. If Sp-Ock suddenly stops speaking like a B-movie villain and displays a more subdued style it might feel odd for some reading the book who have accepted the campy nature of Slott's story telling.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

I have to ask this out of curiosity is there any one here who honestly prefers Ock as Spidey to Peter? Yes I hate this current run of comics but I honestly am curious to see what people see in it that I don't.

Right now I prefer Ock to Peter just because I love seeing evil characters in fiction struggling to do good, and vice versa. I'd like to see a bit more of that inner conflict. Ock seems to be riding a nice wave now, but a few things need to be thrown his way. The first few issues did a nice job of that.

 

[runawayboulder]

Not many writers have been able to write Spider-Man "perfectly" in recent memory. There needs to be some campiness and cheese to Spider-Man but yeah, I agree that Slott tends to over do it. If that's the worst he can bring to the table, then it's not a big deal. Slott can do the serious stuff as seen in Ends of the Earth but can't always seem to find the happy medium between the cheese and down to Earth stuff. The last guy that could really do that in recent memory was probably Paul Jenkins.

 

[HELL N' SPIDERS]

I think that straight up trying to kill Stone was wierd...SpOck is trying to be a good guy, but he's also just killing anyone who gets on his nerves? I figured he would've been a little conflicted at least...

 

[The Infernal]

I haven't been reading Superior for a while, but from what little I've seen of Sp-Ock he isn't actually a good guy or really trying to be one. He's just trying to be a twisted version of what he perceives as good. He'll never be the good guy because he is incapable of becoming one.

 

[Donald Thomas]

I haven't been reading Superior for a while, but from what little I've seen of Sp-Ock he isn't actually a good guy or really trying to be one. He's just trying to be a twisted version of what he perceives as good. He'll never be the good guy because he is incapable of becoming one.

Aloha,

Spidey rules-Doc Ock fools no one but the very naive

 

[KaineMorrison]

Aloha,

Spidey rules-Doc Ock fools no one but the very naive

Which is EVERYONE but Carlie Cooper!

Though I wonder how Ghost Rider would react in his presence....

 

[Nathan]

So, how long till Peter is finally back?

 

[runawayboulder]

Never. Don't you pay attention to what Tom Brevoort tells you???

 

[Colossal Spoons]

So, how long till Peter is finally back?

Hopefully not until Ock receives his doctorate.

 

[Vid Electricz]

And what will happen to Ock? Conveniently returned to a cloned body? Some other cop out? Either way, everything will somehow return to status quo like this never happened. I smell retcon.

 

[The Joker]

Ock will probably construct himself a super powered body that won't be as vulnerable to the blows of super humans as his human body was.

 

[Vid Electricz]

But then what? Does he go on just "trying to conquer the world" (or whatever his goal is), fighting Peter as Spider-Man as though nothing happened?

 

[JewishHobbit]

Yes. Thus are the ways of comic books. Character progression until it's verging on not being the character created in the 60s... then regress them back to that point and start over.

 

[Themanofbat]

And what will happen to Ock? Conveniently returned to a cloned body? Some other cop out? Either way, everything will somehow return to status quo like this never happened. I smell retcon.

There will be no return to status quo in this case...

Marvel has wanted Spider-Man to return to his loner roots for YEARS, and after SpOck destroys Peter's life, the trust between Spider-Man and other heroes, and the police/citizens, it will be a very difficult road ahead for Peter.... much like it was back in the day.

 

[runawayboulder]

There will be no return to status quo in this case...

Marvel has wanted Spider-Man to return to his loner roots for YEARS, and after SpOck destroys Peter's life, the trust between Spider-Man and other heroes, and the police/citizens, it will be a very difficult road ahead for Peter.... much like it was back in the day.

I'm all for that. I love the Spider-Man versus the world stuff, I just don't like the Peter Parker versus the world stuff. He should be a success in his personal life and a struggle in his costumed one. It should pose the question "Why the hell does this guy even bother?" and it's easily answered with 2 words....."power" and "responsibility".

Now, that my friends, is what Spider-Man should be and needs to be all about and I hope it's where Slott is planning on leaving the franchise for years to come.

As for how Ock and Pete get back in their respected bodies...? I'm guessing more mind swapping. Ock ends up thinking that Pete's body isn't "Superior" enough (he's starting to realize now that even in this body there are struggles) and probably steals a clone one from the Jackal (why else is he lurking in the shadows lately???). Then Peter (as the Goblin King or not...it doesn't matter) comes back and swaps back into his own body again....fights Ock and saves the day.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Yes. Thus are the ways of comic books. Character progression until it's verging on not being the character created in the 60s... then regress them back to that point and start over.

Kinda frustrating isn't it? It also kinda makes collecting these books seem pointless unless the stories told are REALLY REALLY good.

 

[Donald Thomas]

I'm all for that. I love the Spider-Man versus the world stuff, I just don't like the Peter Parker versus the world stuff. He should be a success in his personal life and a struggle in his costumed one. It should pose the question "Why the hell does this guy even bother?" and it's easily answered with 2 words....."power" and "responsibility".

Now, that my friends, is what Spider-Man should be and needs to be all about and I hope it's where Slott is planning on leaving the franchise for years to come.

As for how Ock and Pete get back in their respected bodies...? I'm guessing more mind swapping. Ock ends up thinking that Pete's body isn't "Superior" enough (he's starting to realize now that even in this body there are struggles) and probably steals a clone one from the Jackal (why else is he lurking in the shadows lately???). Then Peter (as the Goblin King or not...it doesn't matter) comes back and swaps back into his own body again....fights Ock and saves the day.

Aloha,
Just finished reading Amazing Spider-Man #18 (my first Spidey). That is the Peter Parker/Spider-Man that I want to see returned after SpOck.
Spidey rules

 

[KaineMorrison]

No matter what happens next, That metal plate will now ALWAYS be a part of the Spider-Man costume, be it Peter or Otto...
When Pete does eventually come back he'd better tell everyone to have one so that that doesn't happen to anyone else.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Kinda frustrating isn't it? It also kinda makes collecting these books seem pointless unless the stories told are REALLY REALLY good.

Yeah, I've become very disenchanted in comics over the past 5 or 6 years due to that. I can't help but read comics with a "non of this matters" mentality. I need to take a step back from them but can't. I'm weak.

 

[Vid Electricz]

There will be no return to status quo in this case...

Marvel has wanted Spider-Man to return to his loner roots for YEARS, and after SpOck destroys Peter's life, the trust between Spider-Man and other heroes, and the police/citizens, it will be a very difficult road ahead for Peter.... much like it was back in the day.

How is that not returning the character to status quo? Forget character evolution, let's regress the character back to the way he used to be over and over and over again.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Yes. Thus are the ways of comic books. Character progression until it's verging on not being the character created in the 60s... then regress them back to that point and start over.

I realize that from a marketing/financial standpoint that this is a necessary evil as it has to do with maintaining the character's longevity in the medium...but ultimately, it becomes very boring and redundant for those of us interested in a character that grows and changes and evolves (which is the entire point of a "character". Especially one like Peter Parker who we are expected to relate to on a very human level).

Guess I'm just at the point of being bored by the whole "Spider-Man must stop Doc Ock from taking over the world/destroying the city, etc..." when there are never going to be any actual long term changes/consequences on the character.

 

[Themanofbat]

How is that not returning the character to status quo? Forget character evolution, let's regress the character back to the way he used to be over and over and over again.

This was your original post...

And what will happen to Ock? Conveniently returned to a cloned body? Some other cop out? Either way, everything will somehow return to status quo like this never happened. I smell retcon.

You said that everything will return like all this Doc Ock stuff never happened.
If this is the case, then Spider-Man will still be an Avenger and trusted by other heroes & Peter's life will be pretty good without struggles between trying to have a normal life and his responsibility to being Spider-Man.

This has been the current status quo for Peter Parker/Spider-Man for almost 25 years... What I described was a return to his original roots. Yes, it's a return to a former status quo, but you eluded that things were going to return to the way things were a year ago.

 

[Themanofbat]

Guess I'm just at the point of being bored by the whole "Spider-Man must stop Doc Ock from taking over the world/destroying the city, etc..." when there are never going to be any actual long term changes/consequences on the character.

Serialized fiction means that the stories will never end, and at some point, like we have seen many times over the years, the stories do get cyclical. And to many of us, we have to "move" on... you wouldn't be the first nor will you be the last...