BvS The Superman suit Thread - Part 1

[LaserBees]

It makes sense that a highly advanced civilization would have high-tech clothing, so it makes sense that Superman's suit would be able to automatically repair itself. That's one of my own personal issues with MOS, in that epic final battle neither Superman nor Zod had damage to their suits (or injuries). I really wish they had shown that.

 

[regwec]

A civilization can be well advanced and yet retain tried and tested material things that do not require improvement. Clothes could be one example; toothbrushes or toilet paper may be others.

 

[LaserBees]

A civilization can be well advanced and yet retain tried and tested material things that do not require improvement. Clothes could be one example; toothbrushes or toilet paper may be others.

I would argue that all of those things require improvements. If my clothes would repair themselves when ripped or wash themselves, I'd buy the heck out of clothes like that. If I could could wake up and eat a tic tac that cleaned my teeth and then go about my morning, or if a toilet wiped my butt for me, all of those things would be improvements over what I have now. In fact I don't think there's many things, if any at all, that can't be improved in some way.

 

[regwec]

But then there is a cost/efficiency balance to consider. Would you buy one self repairing shirt that lasts a year for $100, or ten ordinary shirts that last a year each for $100 in total?

The point is that you can imagine a plausible improvement to anything, but 'good enough' is often good enough. Our basic necessities have changed relatively little since the late Neolithic.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

no it doesn't, but it does say "bio-tech" which is one of the other points I was making.

You never mentioned it until now.

the full context of that is not that she's reading it off an ipad thats scanning the suit, its information that HE got out of Supergirl herself.....meaning SHE TOLD HIM IT WAS ARMOR and he's just confirming it with his assistant.

Eventually I'll look again for when Supergirl is talking about how she is wearing her "ceremonial armor"

I haven't read a single issue, so I'd appreciate it.

and why is Superman wearing it, I know its in the first couple issues for both where its mentioned by Superman & Supergirl but just to lazy to find it.

Superman wears his because it's as indestructible as he is:

 

[LaserBees]

But then there is a cost/efficiency balance to consider. Would you buy one self repairing shirt that lasts a year for $100, or ten ordinary shirts that last a year each for $100 in total?

The point is that you can imagine a plausible improvement to anything, but 'good enough' is often good enough. Our basic necessities have changed relatively little since the late Neolithic.

I think the point of a self-repairing shirt is that it would last much longer than a year. And I absolutely would pay $100 for a self-repair shirt, especially if it was for all-purpose rugged outdoor use.

And if a civilization has thousands of years of technological advancement behind it, as Krypton has in MOS, then I think it's safe to assume they've reached the point of technological advancement to be able to have cost-effective. I just don't see any rational reasons for Superman's Kryptonian suit to not be self-repairing. And considering the situations that Superman finds himself in, it would be silly for his suit to NEVER get damaged.

 

[regwec]

We are a lot more advanced than our prehistoric forebears, and yet we still cover our feet with animal skins.

 

[LaserBees]

We are a lot more advanced than our prehistoric forebears, and yet we still cover our feet with animal skins.

Much more advanced animal skins. The kind that contour and cushion our feet, and strap on with tiny hooks and loops, and have various forms of specialized treads that grip different surfaces differently. Some are as light as feathers, some cover our toes in a technologically created metal known as steel, and still others are sprayed in a hi-tech covering that repels water.

I think it's very narrow-minded to think that the designs of our clothing won't continue to change as technology changes, and that new forms of technology won't be built into them.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

We are a lot more advanced than our prehistoric forebears, and yet we still cover our feet with animal skins.

Until 150 years ago the horse was the greatest mode of individual transportation.

For 2 million years the best way to eat was to hunt and gather rather than farming, which dominates the following 10, 000 years.

 

[regwec]

There is a difference between fashion, utility, and a radical advance in conceptual engineering. Broadly speaking, the shoe is good enough, despite variation stemming from commercial pressures.

Please don't call me before minded- name calling is looked down upon here.

 

[regwec]

Until 150 years ago the horse was the greatest mode of individual transportation.

For 2 million years the best way to eat was to hunt and gather rather than farming, which dominates the following 10, 000 years.

And we're still wearing shoes.

 

[LaserBees]

Please don't call me before minded- name calling is looked down upon here.

If the shoe fits. . .

Heh.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

And we're still wearing shoes.

Shoes will always exist. It's the nature of them that would change.

A film is just a sequence of a images on a reel. Images are no different to cave paintings. Are caves paintings no different to cinema?

It's a ridiculous assertion that society is essentially the same in all aspects because evolutionary needs are the same.

 

[Kal L]

Just Tinkering around, I had a hard time trying to connect the cape to the enlarged S symbol. I'm not a professional but here's two takes on it. Earth 2 Comics and Justice Lords. Sorry about the size

Earth 2

Justice Lords

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Just Tinkering around, I had a hard time trying to connect the cape to the enlarged S symbol. I'm not a professional but here's two takes on it. Earth 2 Comics and Justice Lords. Sorry about the size

Earth 2

Justice Lords

Nice work, that Justice Lords manip reminds me of how much I'd love to see something like that done in one of the JL sequels, would be an interesting to have the villains the JL is facing down be darker, hopeless versions of themselves.

 

[John-An]

I kinda like this suit.
I wonder if we get something like this in this movie.

 

[MrsKent26]

^ I kinda like that glaring superman. I hope we get something like him in the movie.

Suit's pretty good as well.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Just Tinkering around, I had a hard time trying to connect the cape to the enlarged S symbol. I'm not a professional but here's two takes on it. Earth 2 Comics and Justice Lords. Sorry about the size

Spoiler

Earth 2

Justice Lords

Those manips look so good
I prefer the Justice Lords version

 

[N7 Joseph Shepard]

You never mentioned it until now.

look at the post you originally quoted me for it, I mentioned it there

I haven't read a single issue, so I'd appreciate it.

was kinda hoping someone else would.....mostly cause I hate reading Supergirl lol (they turned her into SuperAnnoying*****) but yeah I'd do it eventually.

Superman wears his because it's as indestructible as he is:

....yeah.....I wasn't actually asking it from where you quoted me from there, the reason I wrote "why is Superman wearing it" was more as me explaining it from Supergirls point of view, she doesn't know who he is but see's some random guy wearing her family crest and armor and is wondering why. Also pretty sure that the indestructible thing that Brainiac......I mean "The Collector" is talking about is Superman himself and not the suit.....cause if the suit is as indestructible as Superman then I'd be very very worried about this....

Anyway......my point....no armor, no military looking garbage (yes I just called the New 52 suit garbage).

Just the Man Of Steel suit with brightened colors, make the belt more noticeable so its not lost when looking at the whole thing and a damn "S" on his cape either black or yellow....those really are the only changes needed for the suit

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Second panel make it look like he has Cyclops visors on
I don't like the sleeve extensions on the back of his hands

 

[Brian Braddock]

Second page features some truly awful artwork. Looks like it was done in about 5 minutes, while on a moving bus.

 

[regwec]

It's a ridiculous assertion that society is essentially the same in all aspects because evolutionary needs are the same.

Which would be why I didn't make that assertion at all.

The point, again, very simply, is that things change when they need to, and change little or not at all when they don't. A very advanced society may well have the same expectations of form and function in clothing as we do.

The assumption that nanotech clothing is an inevitably in a futuristic society is like assuming everyone will ultimately use an electric toothbrush rather than the regular kind.

 

[slumcat]

I wonder if the Superman costume getting dramatically ripped up in places will work.

It seems indestructible to me on the evidence of MOS. The suit (worn by Superman and other Kryptonians) was shot at, smashed through buildings, gripped and pulled by superpowered beings, bombed, thrown a train and a satellite it, plunged through the atmosphere, compressed by the gravity beam - and not a single tear.

So as presented by MOS - the suit is absolutely indestructible.

If it suddenly starts ripping in the action scenes in BvS, I will see it as a continuity error.

 

[craigaat]

I wonder if the Superman costume getting dramatically ripped up in places will work.

It seems indestructible to me on the evidence of MOS. The suit (worn by Superman and other Kryptonians) was shot at, smashed through buildings, gripped and pulled by superpowered beings, bombed, thrown a train and a satellite it, plunged through the atmosphere, compressed by the gravity beam - and not a single tear.

So as presented by MOS - the suit is absolutely indestructible.

If it suddenly starts ripping in the action scenes in BvS, I will see it as a continuity error.

You're concentrating far too much on something that doesn't really matter.

 

[godisawesome]

Well, I think he's right in terms of the scale of the fights we saw in MOS. Other Kryptonians always get the edge in terMs of how much force they can hit Superman, and scenes like Zod using Superman's cape like a rope will seem strange if we then watch his suit get damaged by completely man-made weapons that seem of a lower power-class.

I'd only really support something like a hydrogen bomb causing some damage or Doomsday. His suit just being torn up otherwise kind of seems silly.