BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 2

[RF20Lennon]

Here is another post confirming the synopsis posted here. https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/4b8ofo/i_saw_bvs_the_plot_from_superherohype_forum_is/

 

[TX85]

Maybe Superman will have a lot to say after returning in JL

 

[Tobias]

My thoughts exactly, him dying then immediately come back lessens the impact of his sacrifice.

But as I said, maybe this ending did much better in screen tests with general audiences.

If this is what it takes to get people to care about superman, then so be it.

I think that may be part of the reason to do this so early. I hope so - that WB really cares about the character and wants to re-vive the Superman film franchise.

The thing is if he still has a heartbeat at the end, though a bat every 24 hours or whatever, he is not dead but in a Kryptonian coma. And the audience know this. per some reports Bruce and Dianah hear the beats and the screen goes blank.

 

[Knight-Tale]

Superman's death inspired Batman to form the Justice League and find the other metahumans.
The death and return of Superman was a very bad arc in the comics and its basically a cliche in how it was a gimmick that ultimately hurt Superman more then helped him as a character.
Doomsday is a meh villain never liked him and was pissed when I saw him in the trailer. People rightly assumed that the only reason to include doomsday is to work in the death of superman

In this movie though you are basically getting dark knight returns with the 3rd act encompassing Death of Superman.

Now you have to wonder how much of the 3rd act was cut and pieced together from Goyer's script because it almost seems like two different movies.

I'm sure we'll find out more in the next few months.

 

[Tobias]

Here is another post confirming the synopsis posted here. https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/4b8ofo/i_saw_bvs_the_plot_from_superherohype_forum_is/

That confirms it.

Glad that Bruce and dianah indeed see the dirt moving at the end.

Especially glad that thye JL is not formed at the end of BvS as Superman can still be a founding member in JL1.

Does anyone have a link to the image the reviewer refers to of Supes and Doomsday dead from the k blade.

 

[Plaidchuck]

Yeah all of the "death of" arcs were 90s gimmicks. That's what I thought was funny about people getting all up in arms about Bane in TDKR. He was a lame luchador.suit wearing character made to "kill" Batman. It wasn't like they defiled a deep and complex villain.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

That confirms it.

Glad that Bruce and dianah indeed see the dirt moving at the end.

Does anyone have a link to the image the reviewer refers to of Supes and Doomsday dead from the k blade.

I do think they know Supes will be back.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Trinity does not equal JL,there are actually other characters more fundamental to the League and DC universe than Wonder Woman. Trinity is more of a marketing gimmick.

And yet they are always in the team. Not just Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. But Clark, Bruce and Diana. It is fundamentally different then Barry or Wally, Hal, Kyle or Jon, etc.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That confirms it.

Glad that Bruce and dianah indeed see the dirt moving at the end.

Especially glad that thye JL is not formed at the end of BvS as Superman can still be a founding member in JL1.

Does anyone have a link to the image the reviewer refers to of Supes and Doomsday dead from the k blade.

Who is Dianah?

 

[ManofSteel37013]

My concern is Cavill is not as strong an actor as Ben or Jeremy or Jesse.

That puts him at a disadvantage screen-time wise and dialogue-wise.

How that impacts his screen-time in JL1 remains to be seen.

WEB is going to focus on the strongest actors naturally.

I think Henry is fantastic. He has so much charisma in real life. I hope we get to see that in JL and future SM movies.

 

[Omegabat]

And yet they are always in the team. Not just Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. But Clark, Bruce and Diana. It is fundamentally different then Barry or Wally, Hal, Kyle or Jon, etc.

Not necessarily,have you heard about the Giffen/Dematteis JL run? it was Batman,Martian and a bunch of other lesser knowns. It was a pretty well received run.

 

[Binker]

That confirms it.

Glad that Bruce and dianah indeed see the dirt moving at the end.

Wait they do?!

Where, how do you know this?

That part wasn't the plot reveal here

 

[Tobias]

I do think they know Supes will be back.

This does create a problem for JL1 though.

They can't devote much screen time to his "recovery", I say that instead of return as the ending of BvS shows he is not dead, and how to do that justice and not just plunk it in at the start is a key to me.

 

[C. Lee]

A Reminder to everyone​

NO BOOTLEG PICTURES ARE ALLOWED TO BE POSTED ON THE HYPE....NONE....DO NOT POST THEM.....

 

[Tobias]

Wait they do?!

Where, how do you know this?

That part wasn't the plot reveal here

The reddit review linked above states it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not necessarily,have you heard about the Giffen/Dematteis JL run? it was Batman,Martian and a bunch of other lesser knowns. It was a pretty well received run.

How long was this run and more importantly what was the reason for the cutdown JL?

Though the obvious point still stand. The JL is identified as Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and others.

 

[Xiewin]

Superman has little to dialogue in the film?
This is seriously getting worrisome. Is it too much for Zack Synder to place Superman in a position where he won't just stand around listen to other people speak?

Guys, I'm trying my best to hold out for this film, but almost every single piece of information spoken about Sups has been nothing short of disappointing. I understand if people have no problem with Batman "winning" however, for a film as big as this, it's going to have an impact on the GA perception of the characters. It doesn't matter what necessarily happens in the rest of the film, this one specific plot point is going to bring all sorts of, "Batman is better because he beat Superman" non-sense in future discussion between the two characters. It's already prominent now because TDKR comic that came out decades ago, now it's just going to get only worse.


In fact, I've asked several people if a fight were occur between the two heroes who would win, and the majority said Batman. They didn't say he would because Superman is mortally strong character who refuses to kill anyone, in contrast they stated something like "because he's much more intelligent and Superman is pretty lame." -_-

Bats is my 2nd favorite superman, but this is just getting ridiculous.

 

[Omegabat]

Yeah all of the "death of" arcs were 90s gimmicks. That's what I thought was funny about people getting all up in arms about Bane in TDKR. He was a lame luchador.suit wearing character made to "kill" Batman. It wasn't like they defiled a deep and complex villain.

Bane didn't kill Batman, the Knightfall saga is one of the best runs in Batmans' history,the Bat family exploded during the Knightfall era. It was during this story that Catwoman and Robin got their own ongoing series,it was immediately after that Azrael got his own book and Birds Of Prey was conceived,it returned Dick Grayson back to the Batman fold and not long after Nightwing got his own book too. It had writers like Alan Grant,Doug Moench and Chuck Dixon and artists such as Norm Breyfogle and Graham Nolan. Bane is a perfectly good and complex character and it was coordinated by the impeccable Dennis O'Neal who was editor,I dont care what the 90's did for Superman or the rest of the industry but its one of the best decades for Batman.

 

[Rapunzel]

This does create a problem for JL1 though.

They can't devote much screen time to his "recovery", I say that instead of return as the ending of BvS shows he is not dead, and how to do that justice and not just plunk it in at the start is a key to me.

Why do they need to devote any time to Supes returning at all? I'm fine with him just being back in the swing of things when JL starts. And we don't need his resurrection explained; he's Superman.

 

[Binker]

The reddit review linked above states it.

No it doesn't. It links to the story from here and suggests Bruce and Diana, and the final shot, are separate scenes.

 

[Omegabat]

How long was this run and more importantly what was the reason for the cutdown JL?

Though the obvious point still stand. The JL is identified as Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and others.

A few years,2-3 I think. They were clearly trying to inject new blood and rejuvenate the franchise. It's where the Batman/Guy Gardener jokes come fromt:
Yeah I cant disagree on the recognizability factor and inherent importance of the Trinity.

 

[moviefan!]

So this is basically Superman being Gandalf the Gray and Superman in JL, Gandalf the white?

 

[mos6142]

And the complaint was he did not have enough dialogue in MOS.

That is discouraging if true.

here is what this leaker said about supermans

Clark is more of a character in BvS than in Man of Steel, but he's still someone clearly struggling to do right by everyone, and others help strengthen his resolve throughout the movie. The problem is, are people happy to accept a Superman who's growing to become that example for everyone, or do they want that from him already?

It's pretty obvious where his character arc is going, but he's not there when you catch up with him in BvS. Although, he clearly does his little bit of inspiring by the end of the movie. Hence why I think some will still be rubbed the wrong way by him because they're just going to see it as an extension of what they disliked in Man of Steel, and not take his growth into account.

I think it's the best Supersauce has ever been though. I never really enjoyed him prior to these movies.

 

[InJustice]

So this is basically Superman being Gandalf the Gray and Superman in JL, Gandalf the white?

You cannot pass! I am a servant of the people of Earth, wielder of the powers from Krypton. The immeasurable strength will not avail you, Day of Doom! Go back to the shadow. You shall not pass!

Run, you fools.

 

[vantheman77]

What difference does it make?

Makes a lot of difference. You think the Justice League will sell without either Superman or Batman? You need both to do it.


Now I hear Superman doesn't say much in the film. Is that why prior to the film's release that they've been saying Ben Affleck is the standout as Batman?