BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 4

[Unbreakable Lex]

That line blew my mind. Such a huge part of MoS was Pa Kent's over protective (and in my opinion assholish) messages to Clark. He said Clark would change the world but never ever talked about heroism. Except when he said he maybe should've let Clark's classmates all die.

You don't remember the end of Man of Steel with young Clark in the clothesline with the cape? Martha telling Clark that "you're father saw it, he always did".

 

[Val_Zod]

Saw the movie tonight so I haven't read these threads but has anyone discussed how the fact that because Clark Kent is dead and buried there is basically no possible way for any additional Clark/Daily Planet scenes unless everyone knows he's superman? At least in the comics they buried superman and I think Clark was just presumed missing. Worst part of the movie for me because it has a major negative impact on future films.

It almost seemed like the world knew he was Superman now, after all the people that lined up at the Kent farm. Yeah, I don't know whether we will ever get a Clark at the Daily planet scenario anymore, and that really irks me.

 

[OutOfBoose]

It almost seemed like the world knew he was Superman now, after all the people that lined up at the Kent farm. Yeah, I don't know whether we will ever get a Clark at the Daily planet scenario anymore, and that really irks me.

Is it needed in Justice League?

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Is it needed in Justice League?

Not at all.

 

[Val_Zod]

Is it needed in Justice League?

No, but they add some much needed normalcy to Clark's life, and without it, he feels detached from the audience.

 

[TheScarecrow]

What about future solo Superman films?

 

[Val_Zod]

What about future solo Superman films?

I don't think we'll be seeing one for a loooooonnnnngggg time. If anyone suffered most from the film, it was Superman.

 

[JaD]

She was in Gotham, and away from the fight, but Batman lured Doomsday back to Gotham because he knew the spear was there. If you can recall that short interaction with Wonder Woman who asked him why he brought Doomsday back to a populated area and he responded. Come to think of it, that might be the scene that Lois witnessed.

That makes sense then

Lois once again using her superpowers of being in the right location at the right time.

 

[JaD]

It almost seemed like the world knew he was Superman now, after all the people that lined up at the Kent farm. Yeah, I don't know whether we will ever get a Clark at the Daily planet scenario anymore, and that really irks me.

Yeah, and the revelation that it was Jimmy Olsen that was shot in the face in the beginning is still bugging me. That's a great character to have with Superman, a slap to the face. Didn't seem like anyone at the Daily Planet batted an eye either.

 

[smsvmos]

Guys the files are opened so go to Lex/OS username: mgraves password: lexicon

 

[DerekLake]

It almost seemed like the world knew he was Superman now, after all the people that lined up at the Kent farm. Yeah, I don't know whether we will ever get a Clark at the Daily planet scenario anymore, and that really irks me.

Nah, the article said Clark was killed in the Doomsday battle. Those were just Smallville people. But they probably knew anyway.

That's one of my longstanding gripes with this film, beginning with the inclusion of Doomsday, there seems to have been no consideration as to future Superman solo films. Doomsday, Jimmy Olsen, the scout ship, Lex Luthor, Clark Kent... if by some chance there is another Superman film, what will be left to do?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Yeah, and the revelation that it was Jimmy Olsen that was shot in the face in the beginning is still bugging me. That's a great character to have with Superman, a slap to the face. Didn't seem like anyone at the Daily Planet batted an eye either.

Did I miss something there? I mean when he first appeared I did think Jimmy, but then they said he was CIA and he spoke in their language so it wad just a guy posing as a photographer to get close to lois.

 

[DA_Champion]

Does Perry know that Clark Kent is Superman?

 

[DerekLake]

What about future solo Superman films?

I don't think we'll be seeing one for a loooooonnnnngggg time. If anyone suffered most from the film, it was Superman.

Which is a shame, because this could have been a really, really good Man of Steel sequel. Cut out all the Batman stuff, and you'd potentially have an excellent film about Superman questioning his ability to do good because of Lex Luthor's machinations, ending with the ultimate sacrifice. Lois could have taken much of Bruce's investigation scenes, the subcommittee hearing could have been a major part of the plot, the [BLACKOUT]Superman II-like Arctic scene could have been a bigger part[/BLACKOUT], and the film could have better explored whether or not Superman is needed.

Alternatively, we could have gotten a really good film about Batman and Superman coming into conflict because of their different views of the other, with a drawn out, escalating and interesting conflict, leading to the exchange of blows. That, at least, is what the original synopsis seemed to promise.

Instead we got neither, but are left with a Superman who is poorly positioned for the future.

 

[Cats]

Did I miss something there? I mean when he first appeared I did think Jimmy, but then they said he was CIA and he spoke in their language so it wad just a guy posing as a photographer to get close to lois.

Pure speculation, but I think Lois was part of the plan with the CIA all along, smuggling an agent into the meetup with the false identity of Jimmy Oleson. Wish they'd explained it a bit more though, especially what happened to those soldiers who were executed by KGBeast.

Does Perry know that Clark Kent is Superman?

No, apparently not even at the end.

 

[JaD]

Did I miss something there? I mean when he first appeared I did think Jimmy, but then they said he was CIA and he spoke in their language so it wad just a guy posing as a photographer to get close to lois.

I forgot he spoke in their language so that could be a clue he's really a CIA agent. What I've taken from it so far is that the rebels saw the tracking device and just recognized it as CIA hardware and not calling him CIA, then this Jimmy guy tried to help the situation.

I just don't understand why the guy would be credited as Jimmy Olsen if he's never mentioned by name (I didn't catch a nametag though) and was really just a CIA agent. Wouldn't he have just been listed as CIA Photographer in the credits or something like that?

 

[redhawk23]

Were my eyes deceived that Lex's jumpsuit included the numbers "TK-421" ? Pretty sure I saw that. If so, weird place for a Star Wars reference.

 

[redhawk23]

Did I miss something there? I mean when he first appeared I did think Jimmy, but then they said he was CIA and he spoke in their language so it wad just a guy posing as a photographer to get close to lois.

The actor is credited as Jimmy Olsen.

 

[redhawk23]

Question perhaps I missed it but at what point did Batman and Superman figure out each others identities? I know Clark overheard Batman and Alfred talking at Lex's event but never anything that really pointed to him being Batman.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

The actor is credited as Jimmy Olsen.

Well that's random and pointless...

I hope they undo it in the future.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Question perhaps I missed it but at what point did Batman and Superman figure out each others identities? I know Clark overheard Batman and Alfred talking at Lex's event but never anything that really pointed to him being Batman.

I just figured he used his x-ray vision. Would have been nice to actually see that though.

 

[BVS2016]

Just finished seeing it for the first time tonight and I can honestly say.......I LOVED it!!

I CAN see why people don't like it or find it to be an "okay" movie, but for me personally, as a huge DC fan, this was excellent in my eyes. Ben Affleck stole the show. Jesse Eisenberg being a very close second. Definitely going to see it again.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Is there a post credit?

 

[DerekLake]

I just figured he used his x-ray vision. Would have been nice to actually see that though.

My guess is that a big chunk of Clark's side of the conflict was cut out. Set pics showed Clark in Gotham, walking out of the Gotham police station and possibly talking to someone. Doesn't show up in the film at all. For a film supposedly about Batman and Superman "at war with each other," there was surprisingly very little that had to do with them in conflict at all. It was really mostly Batman trying to uncover KGBeast &Lex's kryptonite plans and Lex making plans for Sen. Finch, Wallace Keefe and Zod's body.

 

[DerekLake]

Is there a post credit?

No. But the Lex/OS login info is buried in the end credits (It just gives access to a wireframe picture of the scout ship)