BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 4

[RadioSha]

Sooooo....

Is it just me or was there no reason stated at all for why Luthor did anything of the things he did?

Because I'm pretty sure they just threw him at you and said ''He's Lex Luthor. Of course he did this stuff."

Like where is his character motivation for any of the things he's responsible for in this?

Because Joker worked in the Nolan movies and he was awesome.

That's why hahaaaha.. ha *cries*

I'm not sure how they'll redeem Lex. Not like in a character arc type of way, but make him work in the future movies. Because seeing him in every scene was like nails on chalkboard, man.

 

[The Guard]

The only reason a Batman/Joker story even works is BECAUSE of the no kill rule. In fact, none of the villains really make sense anymore for Batman. All he has to do is kill them now. Boom. Done.

Nope. That's not the only reason Batman has not killed The Joker.

There's an element of him not believing that The Joker is responsible for his actions, and that he may in fact be able to be cured.

Batman's reasons for not killing The Joker have never been purely rational.

Even "I don't want to become a killer or be like him" is not particularly rational in context.

 

[The Guard]

There are many scenes in this movie where you could argue that they actually killed a person. For example when Superman takes down the North African Warloard. People are saying that he killed him but that's not true. Yes he put the guy threw a wall but he went threw the wall with him, so he cushioned the impact. The same can be said about Bats and KGBeast. Yes he shot the gas tank behind him and there was an explosion but maybe KGBeast is alive and from now on he will wear the mask

It looked like Superman went through the walls headfirst with the guy in tow and pulled the guy along with him.

 

[Jekecy]

Sooooo....

Is it just me or was there no reason stated at all for why Luthor did anything of the things he did?

Because I'm pretty sure they just threw him at you and said ''He's Lex Luthor. Of course he did this stuff."

Like where is his character motivation for any of the things he's responsible for in this?

Too tired right now to explore it tonight, but there was some semblance of the "omnipotence paradox" sprinkled into his motivation.

 

[The Guard]

World's greatest detective couldn't even do one piece of research on Superman.

What would research have accomplished?

Batman didn't take on Superman for purely logical reasons.

 

[The Guard]

Luthor's a megalomaniac. He very clearly communicated, in his roundabout way of speaking, that he felt he was incredibly intelligent, and therefore had earned the right to lord power over others, including those he perceived did not deserve their power.

At its base:
-He does it for fun.
-He was power mad.
-He had issues with Superman and the perceived threat he posed.
-He was jealous.
-He was obviously working with someone else and working to destroy Superman.

 

[sf2]

Well guys the viral campaign for this movie is not over. In 3 days 10 hours we are going to get something. I hope is either a Brainiac or Darkseid extended scene

Really? That would be cool!!! N sweet !!!! Or maybe superman resurrected.... Pls! !!!
Pls make a tread on this.

 

[sportjames23]

Nope. That's not the only reason Batman has not killed The Joker.

There's an element of him not believing that The Joker is responsible for his actions, and that he may in fact be able to be cured.

Batman's reasons for not killing The Joker have never been purely rational.

Even "I don't want to become a killer or be like him" is not particularly rational in context.

Nope, Batman's reasons for not putting the Joker away permanently definitely are not rational. Joker's killed, what, hundreds of people throughout the years, and Batman thinks he can be cured? At some point, you have to put a mad dog down. You don't sacrifice innocent people's lives because you think some murderous nut can be cured.

Also, the justice system in Gotham/DC U.S. must be totally ****ed for this guy to have not finally been put to death after all the times he's escaped Arkham and killed over and over again.

But, it's comics and Joker's probably the most famous comic book villain of all time, so it's accepted.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

That's all good and all, The Guard, and probably right in a perceived way. But there's not one scene. Not one scene that implies why he has such a problem with either Bruce/Batman or Clark/Superman.

That's a flaw. If you have no scene that shows the motiviation for your villain or them explaining it? You've totally failed your movie/script.

It's like you've got a whole chunk of script missing really.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Well guys the viral campaign for this movie is not over. In 3 days 10 hours we are going to get something. I hope is either a Brainiac or Darkseid extended scene

I hope it's a better movie.

 

[Andreth]

Sooooo....

Is it just me or was there no reason stated at all for why Luthor did anything of the things he did?

Because I'm pretty sure they just threw him at you and said ''He's Lex Luthor. Of course he did this stuff."

Like where is his character motivation for any of the things he's responsible for in this?

There's a moment when he starts talking to Superman about it, basically he hates him because he's good. People see him as a God and savior. He hates that, Lex doesn't believe anyone is good or can stay being that way for a long time, he starts telling him a little about his childhood, how his father used to beat him and he kept hoping someone could help him, and that god wasn't real, because if there was a god or a superman he would have saved him. Something like that, I don't remember the exact details or lines. It seemed like everything related to his abusive father and his awful childhood.

whether this is enough or not is up to you.
Maybe other posters can point out other times when he talked about his motivations. This is all I remember.
(It's right before the reveal of Doomsday)

 

[The Guard]

Nope, Batman's reasons for not putting the Joker away permanently definitely are not rational. Joker's killed, what, hundreds of people throughout the years, and Batman thinks he can be cured? At some point, you have to put a mad dog down. You don't sacrifice innocent people's lives because you think some murderous nut can be cured.

Also, the justice system in Gotham/DC U.S. must be totally ****ed for this guy to have not finally been put to death after all the times he's escaped Arkham and killed over and over again.

But, it's comics and Joker's probably the most famous comic book villain of all time, so it's accepted.

And it's not just The Joker, it's all the freaks.

It's often played as Batman's achilles heel. It's not healthy in the least, and I love it.

 

[jokesonm3]

I couldn't stop staring at the snot coming out of Lex's nose at the end.

 

[The Guard]

There's a moment when he starts talking to Superman about it, basically he hates him because he's good. People see him as a God and savior. He hates that, Lex doesn't believe anyone is good or can stay being that way for a long time, he starts telling him a little about his childhood, how his father used to beat him and he kept hoping someone could help him, and that god wasn't real, because if there was a god or a superman he would have saved him. Something like that, I don't remember the exact details or lines.

whether this is enough or not is up to you.
Maybe other posters can point out other times when he talked about his motivations. This is all I remember.

Luthor is full of self-hate, in a sense, even though he clearly loves himself.

He tells people several times in different ways that power and innocence in relation to it is a lie, and subtly hints that he himself...is a lie.

 

[The Guard]

That's all good and all, The Guard, and probably right in a perceived way. But there's not one scene. Not one scene that implies why he has such a problem with either Bruce/Batman or Clark/Superman.

That's a flaw. If you have no scene that shows the motiviation for your villain or them explaining it? You've totally failed your movie/script.

It's like you've got a whole chunk of script missing really.

You talking about Luthor?

It's there.

Batman, like everyone else in Luthor's plan, is a means to an end.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I couldn't stop staring at the snot coming out of Lex's nose at the end.

lol!!! I had the same reaction

ding ding ding ding ding ding ding

just awful

 

[Poni_Boy]

Nope. That's not the only reason Batman has not killed The Joker.

There's an element of him not believing that The Joker is responsible for his actions, and that he may in fact be able to be cured.

Batman's reasons for not killing The Joker have never been purely rational.

Even "I don't want to become a killer or be like him" is not particularly rational in context.

Jason Todd: Ignoring what he's done in the past. Blindly, stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he's filled, the thousands who have suffered, the friends he's crippled. You know, I thought... I thought I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt. If it had been you that he beat to a bloody pulp, if he had taken you from this world, I would've done nothing but search the planet for this pathetic pile of evil, death-worshiping garbage and then send him off to hell!

Batman: You don't understand. I don't think you'd ever understood.

Jason Todd: What? What, your moral code just won't allow for that? It's too hard to cross that line?

Batman: No. God Almighty, no. It'd be too damned easy. All I've ever wanted to do is kill him. A day doesn't go by I don't think about subjecting him to every horrendous torture he's dealt out to others, and then end him.

Batman: But if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place, I'll never come back.

Jason Todd: Why? I'm not talking about killing Penguin or Scarecrow or Dent. I'm talking about HIM, just him. And doing it because... because he took me away from you.

Batman: I can't. I'm sorry.

#Batman

 

[jokesonm3]

lol!!! I had the same reaction

ding ding ding ding ding ding ding

just awful

I literally had to wipe my nose due to some sort of phantom response OCD of some kind.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I couldn't stop staring at the snot coming out of Lex's nose at the end.

jokes! How did you feel about the movie?

 

[Rapunzel]

Did anyone else stiffle a laugh when Bruce was calling the one Wayne Financial dude and he got a "we're sorry....your call cannot be completed"? I also thought it was really stupid that Bruce had to tell them to evacuate. There's all sorts of **** going down outside and they didn't evacuate already? Illogical.

 

[The Guard]

What the hell was up with Flash's costume. It looked weird and goofy as hell.

The homage to Crisis on Infinite Earths was cool though. Flash warning Batman about Superman and Darkseid (Rather than Antimonitor)

It's not a costume. I mean it is, but I think he's in some kind of torture device, and he's using his powers to time travel.

 

[Andreth]

By the way Poni_Boy you were right, I came back from a second vieweing and there was no heartbeat sound, I must have mistaken the loud pounding as heartbeats.

But basically, Clark is in tune with her heartbeat in some pre-new52 comics. It would have been nice if they had explained it on screen or given a comment about it so people wouldn't be asking why didn't he went looking for Martha himself when he can find Lois anywhere in the world.

 

[The Guard]

Did anyone else stiffle a laugh when Bruce was calling the one Wayne Financial dude and he got a "we're sorry....your call cannot be completed"? I also thought it was really stupid that Bruce had to tell them to evacuate. There's all sorts of **** going down outside and they didn't evacuate already? Illogical.

It looked like they were already evacuating.

Remember, no one knew what was going on.

No one could have known Superman and Zod were about to crash through.

 

[Poni_Boy]

By the way Poni_Boy you were right, I came back from a second vieweing and there was no heartbeat sound, I must have mistaken the loud pounding as heartbeats.

But basically, Clark is in tune with her heartbeat in some pre-new52 comics. It would have been nice if they had explained it on screen or given a comment about it so people wouldn't be asking why didn't he went looking for Martha himself when he can find Lois anywhere in the world.

It just doesn't make sense. One of many small inconsistencies that pile up into complete incoherence.

 

[The Guard]

I don't see how it makes any less sense than any other time he was able to hear her/know she was in trouble. Or hear/know anything else, for that matter.