BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK.

[TWayneP]

He's not really going to die in this film, it's just the Nightmare sequence.

 

[TWayneP]

Which is also ******, because why even waste the imagery of Superman dying? It's just the worst mash up of stories haha. Doomsday needed to be saved if they weren't going to kill Superman... and then Superman should die, but a few movies from now, by the hands of Doomsday. Argh.

I'm just hoping Doomsday ISN'T killed and he comes back for revenge on Superman in Man of Steel 2 or something. From what I've read that won't be the case at all haha.

 

[Herolee10]

Don't we already? Boxoffice, whatever his name, and those two guys.

Him, and two others, said to me that he doesn't die.

I've heard a few people say that BoxOffice isn't a credible source and that he has a history of b'sing. Granted, I don't think that they're entirely right but it's not a source that I trust.


Who are the two others?

 

[Herolee10]

He's not really going to die in this film, it's just the Nightmare sequence.

But then why is there a shot of Bruce and Diana attending a funeral/being at a graveyard?

 

[xbs2034]

My big issue is that if they were going to kill Supes and leave him dead by the movie's end (a same film resurrection I could buy much more) it still seems like they are just going to bring him back in Justice League Part 1. If they were going to kill Superman and have it stick in the DCEU, that would indeed be a ballsy move and worthy of an emotional ending, but I think it feels cheap if they already had plans for his quick return.

I know it's a common comic book trait to kill a major character then bring them back a little while later, but it's not a storytelling technique I like to be overused (particularly in movies) as I actually feel it lowers the stakes and sense of danger far more than never killing off a major character (which I'm fine with doing, don't see why with every movie coming up people always seem to want some big deaths). Even when characters were brought back like Cyclops and Coulson (and I'm glad they were) it was because story plans changed and the creators knew fans wanted those characters back, but at least that initial death was meant to be a genuine moment.

 

[Broseph44]

Like I said this is so entertaining seeing how much this is bothering some of you t: Got my popcorn.

 

[Binker]

Which is also ******, because why even waste the imagery of Superman dying? It's just the worst mash up of stories haha. Doomsday needed to be saved if they weren't going to kill Superman... and then Superman should die, but a few movies from now, by the hands of Doomsday. Argh.

I'm just hoping Doomsday ISN'T killed and he comes back for revenge on Superman in Man of Steel 2 or something. From what I've read that won't be the case at all haha.

Okay, this has driven me nuts since people cried this out since Trailer #3 with Doomsday's reveal: why must they do the Death of Superman?

Was it in their plans? No, probably not. Don't you think they would want to make Superman films not based on that but on others that people don't know about and even original stories? Most definitely.

They don't have to do the Death, and even if they did, I think maybe the only way to do it would be in a solo film, and one exists (Superman Doomsday) while a documentary exists for the other (Superman Lives). Even so, I can name four other Superman movies that they can do, none of them are the Death.

This is something I really hated, and Angry Joe had that complaint when he reviewed Trailer #3. "You can't have Doomsday! How can you do the Death now?!" And I'm like "what the hell made you think they were ever going to do the Death?! Why do they have to do the death? They don't have to, so don't act like they should follow your orders."

OMG...
This really makes me angry when people say this stuff, as if they are in control. Look at the sig, and you'll see my POV of all of this.

P.S. you want a Death of Superman film, here's an idea: make one yourself.

End of rant.

 

[BH/HHH]

But then why is there a shot of Bruce and Diana attending a funeral/being at a graveyard?

Which is why I'm questioning if it's been done on purpose to make us think Supes bites it. But in actuality he doesn't.

 

[Lone]

So...any Flash pics?

 

[matt47]

So...any Flash pics?

Not that I know of and I hope there aren't any!!!

 

[Herolee10]

Which is why I'm questioning if it's been done on purpose to make us think Supes bites it. But in actuality he doesn't.

I'm really hoping to be the case. It really sucks that these pics had to leak out, for several reasons of course.

But mainly, with all of the good stuff that we had been hearing from people who have seen it early, I thought that the chances of Superman biting it at the end was no longer a possibility. But seeing the leaked pictures, it doesn't seem to be the case.

And what's worse is that IF Superman does stay dead at the end, then that means a lot of people don't care that Superman dies at the end of his second film.

I feel like only Batman and Wonder Woman Fans are the only ones who are in stored for something special from start to finish from this film.

 

[misslane38]

Considering the use of Doomsday (the "Death of Superman" arc ended with Superman alive again) and the film's release on Easter weekend, I think there's a possibility of a death and resurrection all within this movie.

Man of Steel employed a lot of Christ parallels, so I don't think it's much of a stretch to think they would continue that here. Also, just like Christ's death and resurrection, it can serve as a galvanizing moment. For the DC cinematic universe, this can mean legitimizing superheroes and inspiring them to come out of the shadows.

We'll see.

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm really hoping to be the case. It really sucks that these pics had to leak out, for several reasons of course.

But mainly, with all of the good stuff that we had been hearing from people who have seen it early, I thought that the chances of Superman biting it at the end was no longer a possibility. But seeing the leaked pictures, it doesn't seem to be the case.

And what's worse is that IF Superman does stay dead at the end, then that means a lot of people don't care that Superman dies at the end of his second film.

I feel like only Batman and Wonder Woman Fans are the only ones who are in stored for something special from start to finish from this film.

Ok let's go with the scenario that he does bite it, it could be an attempt by the film makers to say to people. Appreciate him because he might not be around forever. I don't want him to die myself but it's an angle I could see them going for.

Additional to that though killing him when we knows he's in JL seems pointless because we know he'll be back in JL.

 

[BH/HHH]

So this Box Office Z I'm still unsure why everyone thinks he's genuine? Also has he addressed the question of the picture direct? Like has he said an alternative to what we think were seeing?

 

[Herolee10]

Ok let's go with the scenario that he does bite it, it could be an attempt by the film makers to say to people. Appreciate him because he might not be around forever. I don't want him to die myself but it's an angle I could see them going for.

Additional to that though killing him when we knows he's in JL seems pointless because we know he'll be back in JL.

Well it wouldn't be the first time that filmmakers have done something pointless.lol

It just really irks me that there's a strong chance (as of now) that Superman can bite it.

It was bad enough when I realized that having Batman (and Wonder Woman, but more so batman) in this film was somewhat of a necessary compromise due to how competitive the Comic Book Genre Film market is getting, along with how the DCEU really needs to grow fast.

But to think that this film will start with the focus on Bruce (witnessing the MOS destruction), have him receive the important apocalyptic message from the Flash supposedly, potentially defeat Superman in their fight against each other, and then emerge as a survivor in the end really rubs me the wrong way.

I mean is there really anything BIG on why fans of Superman's character should be excited for this film other than seeing a few good visuals and action sequences?

So this Box Office Z I'm still unsure why everyone thinks he's genuine? Also has he addressed the question of the picture direct? Like has he said an alternative to what we think were seeing?

Yeah, I have no idea on who Box Office Z is so I don't entirely trust his/her comments/information either.

And for the record, Box Office Z said that the shot of Superman looking lifeless is supposedly from the knightmare sequence, but he makes no comment about the other pictures.

 

[AnneFan]

I mean is there really anything BIG on why fans of Superman's character should be excited for this film other than seeing a few good visuals and action sequences?

Yes. A lot. Must there be a Superman? seems to be a theme of the film. I think giving Supes a very hard time in the media and public is necessary. Because in reality, people do get ridden like a bull. It's like, what do people want, for said person to literally go away and die? If Supes is believed to be dead, it could potentially be great. How would the haters feel about themselves? That they hated a good man, who died for their freedom. Superman puts up with a lot, but he still saves the day. That's why he's a hero.

 

[matt47]

Yes. A lot. Must there be a Superman? seems to be a theme of the film. I think giving Supes a very hard time in the media and public is necessary. Because in reality, people do get ridden like a bull. It's like, what do people want, for said person to literally go away and die? If Supes is believed to be dead, it could potentially be great. How would the haters feel about themselves? That they hated a good man, who died for their freedom. Superman puts up with a lot, but he still saves the day. That's why he's a hero.

This. Thank you for putting my thoughts into words!
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know how I want this movie to end and that excites me.

 

[matt47]

This may be a weird thing to talk about now but seeing as in that photo Superman's suit looks F-ed up I wonder how they are gonna deal with that in film? Does he get a new suit? Does this one regenerate?

 

[AnneFan]

Well, the scout ship wasn't destroyed in MoS, even though people think it was. The potential for that vehicle is big.

 

[matt47]

We'll have to see what happens to it in this movie.

 

[Herolee10]

Yes. A lot. Must there be a Superman? seems to be a theme of the film. I think giving Supes a very hard time in the media and public is necessary. Because in reality, people do get ridden like a bull. It's like, what do people want, for said person to literally go away and die? If Supes is believed to be dead, it could potentially be great. How would the haters feel about themselves? That they hated a good man, who died for their freedom. Superman puts up with a lot, but he still saves the day. That's why he's a hero.

Well spoken words indeed.

There's no doubt in my mind that the people in the DCEU will have a new outlook on Superman by the end of this film, whether he dies or not.

This. Thank you for putting my thoughts into words!
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know how I want this movie to end and that excites me.

If anything, I feel like I made the same mistake that I had done back when we were waiting for MOS to be released.

I had unrealistic expectations that MOS would be a big hit with a lot of folks, so imagine my shock when it was so divisive amongst fans and critics alike.

And now, I had this belief that Superman would play an active role in the formation of the JL, let alone make it out of this film alive.

Yet seeing and hearing all of this, it's really disappointing to realize that this might not be the way that the DCEU will go. It's just really frustrating that no matter what I hope for the character in the DCEU, they seem to always go a different route.

Frankly, I really don't know if I want to watch this film. I feel like I won't really feel the need to watch this film until we get confirmation that Superman makes it out of this film alive and well.

 

[TWayneP]

Okay, this has driven me nuts since people cried this out since Trailer #3 with Doomsday's reveal: why must they do the Death of Superman?

Was it in their plans? No, probably not. Don't you think they would want to make Superman films not based on that but on others that people don't know about and even original stories? Most definitely.

They don't have to do the Death, and even if they did, I think maybe the only way to do it would be in a solo film, and one exists (Superman Doomsday) while a documentary exists for the other (Superman Lives). Even so, I can name four other Superman movies that they can do, none of them are the Death.

This is something I really hated, and Angry Joe had that complaint when he reviewed Trailer #3. "You can't have Doomsday! How can you do the Death now?!" And I'm like "what the hell made you think they were ever going to do the Death?! Why do they have to do the death? They don't have to, so don't act like they should follow your orders."

OMG...
This really makes me angry when people say this stuff, as if they are in control. Look at the sig, and you'll see my POV of all of this.

P.S. you want a Death of Superman film, here's an idea: make one yourself.

End of rant.

I agree with you, because that's not what I was trying to say. Maybe I worded it wrong, but don't get me twisted here and start ranting on about it. Cool your jets haha.

I'm basically just talking about the imagery of Superman dying. It's lame to have both Doomsday AND the image of Superman dying in the same film if there is no correlation. They don't have to use Doomsday to kill Superman, and I don't even really want it that bad.

It's like having a film show the death of Jason Todd, and it not having anything to do with the Joker, but the Joker is still in the movie as the main villain. It's just a missed opportunity, to have an iconic comic book image on the screen. Bane breaking Batman's back was achieved on screen, but done differently, and it was still satisfying. I would honestly have been disappointed if that wasn't capitalized on.

Deep down, I don't have a problem with the way they I think they are doing it, It can be done however they see fit, It's just the comic nerd coming out in me, and I HOPE they don't kill Doomsday, and he can come back to Kill Superman. That's just my hope, and if it doesnt happen then no big deal. I'm not boycotting the movie, or **** talking it anywhere. I can fully support the vision.

I even enjoy Doomsdays involvement in the Justice League animated series, and he didn't kill Superman. It can be done. They've already altered his origin being that it's supposedly Zod re-incarnated.

Dont compare me to some schmuck who makes videos on the internet. It's insulting. I apologize for not clearly getting my point across.

 

[AnneFan]

Superman is the big kid in the playground. If he does nothing, he's criticized and people say he's equally responsible for whatever happens. If he does something, he's interfering, abusing his power or being a bully. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't territory.

 

[Lone]

Well spoken words indeed.

There's no doubt in my mind that the people in the DCEU will have a new outlook on Superman by the end of this film, whether he dies or not.



If anything, I feel like I made the same mistake that I had done back when we were waiting for MOS to be released.

I had unrealistic expectations that MOS would be a big hit with a lot of folks, so imagine my shock when it was so divisive amongst fans and critics alike.

And now, I had this belief that Superman would play an active role in the formation of the JL, let alone make it out of this film alive.

Yet seeing and hearing all of this, it's really disappointing to realize that this might not be the way that the DCEU will go. It's just really frustrating that no matter what I hope for the character in the DCEU, they seem to always go a different route.

Frankly, I really don't know if I want to watch this film. I feel like I won't really feel the need to watch this film until we get confirmation that Superman makes it out of this film alive and well.

You need to take a deep breath. Relax man. No need to freak out over pictures taken out of context.

 

[AnneFan]

herolee loves Supes so much, that's all. He wants the best outcome.