BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK.

[Herolee10]

Do we even known when it's the earliest that people (that's not a part of the press) will be attending early screenings/showings for this film?

I just want to know so that I can ask accordingly to people that I know would have actually seen it and not simply be trolling around.

 

[AnneFan]

 

[Herolee10]

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Do we have any idea how the movie ends??

 

[Reek]

Superman traps Doomsday in an elevator and throws him into the sun.

End.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Do we have any idea how the movie ends??

Credits, probably.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Credits, probably.

 

[InspecktahDeck]

Do we have any idea how the movie ends??

Clark and Lois in the bathtub is the last 2/3rds of the film.

 

[AnneFan]

"You gotta be clean before you can clean the streets, Clark."

Cue title card and epic Zimmer drumming.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Clark and Lois in the bathtub is the last 2/3rds of the film.

"You gotta be clean before you can clean the streets, Clark."

Cue title card and epic Zimmer drumming.

 

[DCmania]

Well I definitely appreciate you're kind words.

My own personal frustrations aside, I'm also kind of bewildered about one thing.

We've already had a few, if not several, tweets of people who have gone to early screenings commenting on how they really thought the film was great, ended on a great note, and even thought that it was superior to MOS (which some have also noted that they didn't care for as much as they did BvS).

So if that's the case, either people are really okay with the idea of Superman dying in this film (with the execution of it having been one hell of a moment in the film) or people consider downbeat endings to be a great thing.

I mean, I just have a hard time picture people seeing downbeat endings as a great experience, especially with all of the complaints that MOS got for being too dark.

Herolee, I think your predicament stems from the perspective you've chosen to view the possibility of Superman dying at the end of BvS. It seems to me you might not even be familiar with the DOS comic run or SD animated movie. I would highly recommend you take a look at those two before you let your imagination take you to the land of doom and gloom. Think of it this way, if Superman does die in BvS it most certainly would be short lived. They would never kill off entirely one of the trinity. There will probably be a sign before the end credits(or after) that indicates that he is still alive only to return triumphantly in the early part of JL P1. Secondly it is in fact more the case of honoring Superman lore and making him the central figure in the early phase of the DCU. Think about it, Superman lays down his life in order to save the world, I can think of nothing more endearing than that. If that doesn't win people over then I don't know what will. Don't think of it in terms of that one supporting character of the group in your typical action movie that nobody really cares about that bites the bullet in the third act of the movie. This would have the exact opposite effect of that. It would most likely cause people to be more enamored with superman. Now, it all depends on how they execute this, we're talking small nuances that if handled properly can either leave you with a bitter taste in your mouth or come out of the theater tearing with joy. With a scribe like Terrio and the likes of Affleck on board I'm feeling quite optimistic about the outcome and so should you.

 

[Reek]

herolee did you read the spoilers on reddit or not?

 

[InspecktahDeck]

"You gotta be clean before you can clean the streets, Clark."

Cue title card and epic Zimmer drumming.

Muffled Lois moans in the background.

 

[Herolee10]

Herolee, I think your predicament stems from the perspective you've chosen to view the possibility of Superman dying at the end of BvS. It seems to me you might not even be familiar with the DOS comic run or SD animated movie. I would highly recommend you take a look at those two before you let your imagination take you to the land of doom and gloom. Think of it this way, if Superman does die in BvS it most certainly would be short lived. They would never kill off entirely one of the trinity. There will probably be a sign before the end credits(or after) that indicates that he is still alive only to return triumphantly in the early part of JL P1. Secondly it is in fact more the case of honoring Superman lore and making him the central figure in the early phase of the DCU. Think about it, Superman lays down his life in order to save the world, I can think of nothing more endearing than that. If that doesn't win people over then I don't know what will. Don't think of it in terms of that one supporting character of the group in your typical action movie that nobody really cares about that bites the bullet in the third act of the movie. This would have the exact opposite effect of that. It would most likely cause people to be more enamored with superman. Now, it all depends on how they execute this, we're talking small nuances that if handled properly can either leave you with a bitter taste in your mouth or come out of the theater tearing with joy. With a scribe like Terrio and the likes of Affleck on board I'm feeling quite optimistic about the outcome and so should you.

I'm actually very familiar with both the "Death of Superman" Comic Book story line and the "Superman: Doomsday" film.

I've mentioned this before but I don't believe, not even for a second, that Superman will stay dead if he dies in "BvS".

I know he'll be brought back in JL. Just to recap everything that I mentioned before, my issue is only with the timing of this and that I didn't want Superman to spend some (if not half or most) of his screen time in JL finding a way back to the land of the living. Nor do I want to see Batman suck up the time during Superman's absence.

herolee did you read the spoilers on reddit or not?

But then again, all of the spoilers on reddit are practically fake so it's pretty much moot.

 

[Lando81]

Lol I'd be okay with that. Have Batman beat Superman senseless, then kill him off. JLA would be better without him anyway...

What a very stupid thing to say...

 

[AbradolfLincler]

What a very stupid thing to say...

What a childish way of receiving remarks made in jest...

 

[BH/HHH]

Alright, there's a difference between being brutally honest and downright badmouthing someone. Could some of you guys at least have the decency to not badmouth me in a place where I can actually see those posts?

I know to a lot of folks, I seem strange and sensitive about this, but I don't exactly appreciate being badmouthed on these forums.

That said, let me clear some things up.

People seem to think that I'm basing my entire reaction on the photos that were leaked. But that's NOT the case.

Even before those pictures were leaked out, it's already been LONG KNOWN that Snyder had shot a scene at the "Smallville Cemetery" with some of the Principal Cast Members.

We've also had spy photos taken of crowds paying their respects to what's supposedly the destroyed statue of Superman. And when you add the fact that people have been reportedly saying on how this film ends on an very emotional note, is it really a hard to imagine that there's a STRONG POSSIBILITY that Superman may die at the end of this film?

It's been known for a LONG TIME that I did not want to see superman remain dead at the conclusion of this film based on EVERYTHING that we've learned during production. So it's not like I came online and got sucker punched by those leaked shots.

So NO, I'm not basing my belief that Superman could very well die at the end because of those leaked shots alone. If anything, those leaked shots just add further weight to things that we've already known for a LONG TIME.

And contrary to popular belief, unlike some fans who say that they won't do something but end up doing it later on, I'm not like that. When I set my mind on something I stick to it.

Now I would love to be proven wrong and learn that Superman actually remains alive at the end of this film because that's the biggest selling point for me and this film. Not Superman and Batman meeting for the first time and not their fight against each other.

What I've always wanted to see is Superman playing an active role in the formation of the Justice League. Is that concept really hard to grasp here? I've stated this repeatedly over and over again and yet most of you guys keep assuming that I'm freaking out over nothing because Superman will just simply come back in JL, thus missing the entire point that I was making in the first place.

Dude wait fir a spoiler review (one we know for sure is genuine). Infact tell you what I'll do, I'm seeing the film on the 24th, I'll PM you after and let you know my thoughts. After all I gave some of the same fears as you do, for all we know the death (if it even happens) could be handled really really well.

 

[sportjames23]

Dude wait fir a spoiler review (one we know for sure is genuine). Infact tell you what I'll do, I'm seeing the film on the 24th, I'll PM you after and let you know my thoughts. After all I gave some of the same fears as you do, for all we know the death (if it even happens) could be handled really really well.

Hit me up with a PM, too when you see it, BH.

 

[BH/HHH]

Hit me up with a PM, too when you see it, BH.

Of course I'll do it in a three way

It's very possible we may know these outcomes before the 24th though, aren't there some screenings on the 20th for people who went to the IMAX event?

 

[sportjames23]

Of course I'll do it in a three way

It's very possible we may know these outcomes before the 24th though, aren't there some screenings on the 20th for people who went to the IMAX event?

I think so. But I know I can respect your opinion of the movie. Hopefully, you'll enjoy it on the 24th and I'll enjoy it on the 25th. t:

 

[DCmania]

I'm actually very familiar with both the "Death of Superman" Comic Book story line and the "Superman: Doomsday" film.

I've mentioned this before but I don't believe, not even for a second, that Superman will stay dead if he dies in "BvS".

I know he'll be brought back in JL. Just to recap everything that I mentioned before, my issue is only with the timing of this and that I didn't want Superman to spend some (if not half or most) of his screen time in JL finding a way back to the land of the living. Nor do I want to see Batman suck up the time during Superman's absence.


I see, my apologies for my assumptions. I guess, it's in how you want to weigh things. If your sole concern is screen time and the only metric by which you measure prominence in a movie then this could end up being a "hair splitting" competition. Given the current trend of favoring Batman over Superman in the popular consensus then even in a fair and evenly matched portrayal of the characters in the movie I'm sure somehow the narrative is going to favor Batman if anything for the sheer number of Batman fans that will spin the story in his favor. It's all in the eye of the beholder barring any stark favoritism depicted in the movie for one or the other character.

Having said that I think that general impact far outweighs screen time in a movie and that all comes down to the writing(Mcconaughey in Wolf of Wall street comes to mind in recent memory, not that they would relegate superman to such a small part but you get my point)...and in that regard superman dying to save the world would indeed leave a bigger impact if not the biggest impact. Imagine how much time people will spend speculating if he will come back in JL and how they would go about doing that. It would be somewhat Inception-esque and would leave people talking about the movie and Superman long after the movie ends it's theater run. I think DC/WB will not want to favor one of their two most popular characters over the other. I'm sure they would like Superman to be just as popular once again as Batman is and perhaps this is the way in which they would like to go about it, kind of like they did with DOS in the 90's etc.

 

[DCmania]

I'm actually very familiar with both the "Death of Superman" Comic Book story line and the "Superman: Doomsday" film.

I've mentioned this before but I don't believe, not even for a second, that Superman will stay dead if he dies in "BvS".

I know he'll be brought back in JL. Just to recap everything that I mentioned before, my issue is only with the timing of this and that I didn't want Superman to spend some (if not half or most) of his screen time in JL finding a way back to the land of the living. Nor do I want to see Batman suck up the time during Superman's absence.

But then again, all of the spoilers on reddit are practically fake so it's pretty much moot.

I see, my apologies for my assumptions. I guess, it's in how you want to weigh things. If your sole concern is screen time and the only metric by which you measure prominence in a movie then this could end up being a "hair splitting" competition. Given the current trend of favoring Batman over Superman in the popular consensus then even in a fair and evenly matched portrayal of the characters in the movie I'm sure somehow the narrative is going to favor Batman if anything for the sheer number of Batman fans that will spin the story in his favor. It's all in the eye of the beholder barring any stark favoritism depicted in the movie for one or the other character.

Having said that I think that general impact far outweighs screen time in a movie and that all comes down to the writing(Mcconaughey in Wolf of Wall street comes to mind in recent memory, not that they would relegate superman to such a small part but you get my point)...and in that regard superman dying to save the world would indeed leave a bigger impact if not the biggest impact. Imagine how much time people will spend speculating if he will come back in JL and how they would go about doing that. It would be somewhat Inception-esque and would leave people talking about the movie and Superman long after the movie ends it's theater run. I think DC/WB will not want to favor one of their two most popular characters over the other. I'm sure they would like Superman to be just as popular once again as Batman is and perhaps this is the way in which they would like to go about it, kind of like they did with DOS in the 90's etc.

 

[Herolee10]

Dude wait fir a spoiler review (one we know for sure is genuine). Infact tell you what I'll do, I'm seeing the film on the 24th, I'll PM you after and let you know my thoughts. After all I gave some of the same fears as you do, for all we know the death (if it even happens) could be handled really really well.

Well I definitely look forward towards hearing your thoughts on it after you see the film.

I don't think my view of Superman's death and how it's handled will change though.

It's either Superman is shown to be alive to the audiences (something like the "Iron Giant") and nothing else.

I don't want to build any more false expectations with the DCEU.

I see, my apologies for my assumptions. I guess, it's in how you want to weigh things. If your sole concern is screen time and the only metric by which you measure prominence in a movie then this could end up being a "hair splitting" competition. Given the current trend of favoring Batman over Superman in the popular consensus then even in a fair and evenly matched portrayal of the characters in the movie I'm sure somehow the narrative is going to favor Batman if anything for the sheer number of Batman fans that will spin the story in his favor. It's all in the eye of the beholder barring any stark favoritism depicted in the movie for one or the other character.

Having said that I think that general impact far outweighs screen time in a movie and that all comes down to the writing(Mcconaughey in Wolf of Wall street comes to mind in recent memory, not that they would relegate superman to such a small part but you get my point)...and in that regard superman dying to save the world would indeed leave a bigger impact if not the biggest impact. Imagine how much time people will spend speculating if he will come back in JL and how they would go about doing that. It would be somewhat Inception-esque and would leave people talking about the movie and Superman long after the movie ends it's theater run. I think DC/WB will not want to favor one of their two most popular characters over the other. I'm sure they would like Superman to be just as popular once again as Batman is and perhaps this is the way in which they would like to go about it, kind of like they did with DOS in the 90's etc.

The thing is...I think anyone with common sense, regardless if they're a comic book fan, will know that Superman is going to be in the JL.

You can probably bet that he'll be in the promotional material and everything. I really don't care for anything else. I don't want to see him just summoned up from the dead so that he can just get involved in the third act/final fight.

No thank you. That's not what I want nor need from my Superman. And I say this with complete honesty, I will not watch the DCEU again until Superman is used completely right in a JL/Solo film.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think so. But I know I can respect your opinion of the movie. Hopefully, you'll enjoy it on the 24th and I'll enjoy it on the 25th. t:

Thanks mate t:

You want spoilers or non spoilers?

Well I definitely look forward towards hearing your thoughts on it after you see the film.

I don't think my view of Superman's death and how it's handled will change though.

It's either Superman is shown to be alive to the audiences (something like the "Iron Giant") and nothing else.

I don't want to build any more false expectations with the DCEU.

I respect that, I hope it's like the Iron Giant aswell tbh.

I see it happening a few ways:

- it's a dream/vision sequence (or could be both)
- he is resurrected in the same movie after a fight to the death with Doomsday
- he is resurrected in JL and we get a tease at the end of this film with his grave hollow or something

 

[Herolee10]

And we get a tease at the end of this film with his grave hollow or something

I just hope it isn't a case where, if Darkseid is the main villain for JL1, that it's revealed that Darkseid captured his body and brainswashed him, thus the JL having to fight against a mind controlled Superman.