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[Tron Bonne]

Well, if memory serves, it was revealed that he was prisoner that was experimented on with Venom in that episode. I think they just redesigned some of his costume off that. I don't think he actually had that luchador background in TAS.

 

[yenaled]

How the hell did somebody produce that already?

Actually found it weeks ago, and didn't understand it till yesterday.

I guess it was design off a preview or something.

 

[Spike_x1]

How the hell did somebody produce that already?

@Spike:
While I agree his toned down accent is better, his Mexican wrestling backstory isn't such a bad idea. While we are all 20somethings who enjoy TAS, the shows target demographic was little kids. You can't exactly show a Guatemalan prison camp on Saturday morning cartoons. After all, look what happened to Darth and how ****ed uo he turned out.
Anyway, I would much prefer Bane in a Mexican wrestler inspired mask that the leather fetish catastrophe he is wearing there.

...He didn't have a wrestling backstory in the show. In fact, his origin was exactly the same as the comics. They just gave him a heavy Luchador motif throughout the episode and a redesigned costume to reflect that. They even showed security camera footage of Bane in prison when he was first getting hopped up on venom, before cutting to Batman's reaction as he watched what we can assume was Bane killing the doctors who performed the experiment, then the guards attacking him before the camera was destroyed. All of that is cool, and they got his personality right ; it's just the constant shoehorning in of wrestling elements when they're not needed or called for that got on my nerves.

As for his mask, I don't like either of the ones that they used in BTAS or TNBA.

 

[BlackLantern]

hasn't the mask always had the same basic design?? black with the white parts around the eyes and nose??

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The ones in the cartoons have openings for his nose and mouth. It sounds minor, but it changes the whole look from a crazed luchadore to a gross S&M deal.

 

[BlackLantern]

ok then

 

[Spike_x1]

While certainly minor changes, the openings that they gave his nose and mouth in BTAS gave him a look that reminded me of those masks that Joker's henchmen sometimes wore, and all around made him look less dark and threatening than his comic mask. Something about being able to see certain parts of the face kind of de-fangs his intimidating stature.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm also not a fan of how The Batman made him scrawny without Venom.

 

[WompuM]

I agree, but the way his costume separated when he hulked up was neat.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, that was a bit cool.

 

[BlackLantern]

is he not scrawny when not on Venom?? I ask because in TAS, Batman:AA, even in brave and the bold all had him as a scrawny guy when not juiced up

 

[WompuM]

I dont know. I've only ever read Venom Bane in Broken Bat, JSA Classified, and Secret Six.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He grew up in one of the harshest prisons in the world. No, he's not scrawny when he's not on Venom. He looks like a bodybuilder. He just isn't superhumanly strong until he uses the Venom. But the Venom is highly addictive and makes Bane a frothing beast, so he's effectively kicked the habit. There was actually a really cool story about it in JSA Classified where Bane's situation was compared to the current Hourman's, who was addicted to Miraclo for a while either during or after his time on Infinity, Inc.

 

[Hush]

You mean Bane Womp?

 

[WompuM]

Yes. I did. Easy mistake.

 

[Gilpesh]

Yes. I did. Easy mistake.

Two characters that are easily written horribly and rarely gotten right?

 

[Hush]

Yeah that about sums it up, but at least DC has the decency to not continue with the horrible characterization as often.

 

[Spike_x1]

is he not scrawny when not on Venom?? I ask because in TAS, Batman:AA, even in brave and the bold all had him as a scrawny guy when not juiced up

He wasn't scrawny in BTAS when not on venom. He didn't even have his tube hooked up in the beginning of the episode where he's getting off the plane and towering over everyone around him, and later when he hits Rupert Thorne's punching bag right off its chain. After Batman beats him, he still looks pretty big, just really strung out and seemingly unable to stand, so it's a little hard to judge his size in that scene.

Actually, the reason why he was chosen for the venom experiment in the first place was because he dominated the prison, and the warden (or whoever) thought that the experiment would kill him and get him out of the way. I need to reread that for all the details, but that's what I remember.

Still, Bane hasn't been addicted to venom since 1995, when Vengeance of Bane II came out and dealt with him overcoming his addiction and rebuilding his body and mind to new heights, although you still occasionally see artists simply reverting back to his most well known look and drawing him with the venom tubing. Gail Simone tried to explain that in Secret Six, I think, by having Deadshot remark that Bane is like an ex-junkie who carries their gear around even though they don't use it.

 

[WompuM]

Two characters that are easily written horribly and rarely gotten right?

I don't remember the last time Bane wasn't written well in comics. But again, I've really only read him in Broken Bat, the JSA Classified story, and Secret Six.

 

[BlackLantern]

I think Gilpesh is talking about depictions in other media....tv, video games, comics

 

[Gilpesh]

I think Gilpesh is talking about depictions in other media....tv, video games, comics

Yeah. That's the bad writing that comes to mind. Where Bane is just a strong guy for some other villain.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd be nice if someone actually remembered that the guy planned everything, staged a breakout at Arkham, and consciously wore Batman down to the point of collapse as well as the fact that he broke his back. Bane's a strategic thinker as much as he is a planner. Not that you'd ever guess based on his appearances in other media, or even in a lot of comics.

 

[Johnny Drama]

I never saw the appeal of Bane. Venom I get, he is the anti-Spiderman. But Bane is just everything that was wrong about comics in the 90's.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He's got an interesting backstory, a compelling character arc in his eventually successful attempts to kick his Venom habit, and he's a giant badass. Pretty easy to see the appeal.

 

[WompuM]

And Cable is everything wrong with comics in the 90's.