Like someone else said his contract is up but he's still deciding if he wants to re-sign with TNA or go back to WWE. He says he will return to one of the two.
I think he should consider going back to WWE. For him I think its just a question of schedule vs money. I think he wants a lighter schedule but if they don't give it to him will that bigger WWE paycheck be enough to sway his feelings and get him to come back? If WWE meets all his demands I have no doubt he would return. But could the money be too good to pass up that he sucks it up? WWE has to know they need veterans even if they just use him to put over younger stars ala Perfect's 02 run.
I think there are a lot more fresh matchups for him in WWE than before he left. There are a few good matches left for him in TNA too but I just don't think they would go for it. I'm not dying to see him wrestle these days but going back to WWE might yeald the best results for the fans.
Originally Posted by AntMan
RVD has no spark anymore. The last like 2 months o hisf WWE run and his TNA run were weak.
I think that by the end of his full time WWE run he was burnt out AND the writing was on the wall as far as a push and wwECW's future. I think he just stopped caring mentally. In TNA he started out OK but he never wowed me. He got pushed to the world title too hard too fast at the expense of the far superior AJ Styles. That was bullsh**. RVD stopped being relevant pretty quickly after that. I just don't think he was a big deal beyond putting over up and comers. Like you said there was no spark to him. No big loss to the TNA product.
Originally Posted by AntMan
Maybe he can go to ROH and feud with Matt Hardy over who's worse now.
Matt. RVD may have stopped caring but he never turned into the kind of drugged out whiney b**** Matt Hardy did. I liked Matt but he hit a whole new low for *****baggery a while back. I loathe the idea of even seeing him these days.
Originally Posted by OnTheAir
Playful jealousy. Not only did he marry Trish, but now he's impregnated her...which is something a lot of dudes wanted to do back in the day, and many still do.
Dude just replaced Punk as the top heel in wrestling...lol.
Yeah he's got the potential to get more hate from some older fans than Cena gets. Many a fantasy...dashed!
Originally Posted by Donnie Darko
It makes sense if the kids are young enough to really believe in kayfabe.
Yeah I think he wants to be the same kind of hero on tv as he is when he meets them. I can understand that and I even respect that. Kinda hard for younger kids to reconcile a difference when the tv persona is a b*stard. They want a true blue hero to look up to like a role model. I can respect that. I don't mind if he doesn't turn heel. I just think Cena could stand to be a little more human and relatable instead of a cornball cartoon goody goody every moment he's on the air. Otherwise I agree with him.
Originally Posted by Hunter Rider
I honestly don't think she chose, like most things WWE the company controls what happens.
You really think so? It seemed like this year WWE either picked the right people or let the inductees choose the person who inducted them. The only one who seemed REALLY off the wall was Stephanie...and maybe Arnold. I figure if Bruno had his way he would have been inducted by someone else. Arnold was clearly a celeb/media grabbing choice.
Most of the other inductors fit but Stephanie just felt way off. There was some tension between the two in storylines but nothing majorly memorable or classic as far as feuds go. I think Trish said it was something about strong women being a thing in common but it should have been Lita. Hell maybe even Finlay. Any number of people on call would have been better. Beth or Nattie would have been better too.
Eddie had the intangible x factor, that charisma that made him connect with people in a way only the great ones can, Del Rio is an upper mid card act at best.
I think you are right. He's got the in ring skill and a good look but plenty of guys had that and they were never more than midcarders. Ted DiBiase smoked Del Rio as a superstar doing a similar gimmick and even he wasn't a true top guy. I don't see why Del Rio should be pushed any higher except for the fact that they want a hispanic babyface star. He just doesn't have that magnetism of a true full time top star. Jericho even had it far more and Jericho was a guy who floated between upper midcard and main event during his biggest runs.
Austin recognized that the idea of PPV quality matches on free TV started by Bischoff was reaching the point of stupidity when you're booking him vs Lesnar with no build, and his forecast that it was the road to ruin has come true as it's practically impossible to make any match feel special as chances are it has already been done many times on Raw and SD.
Triple H has spent his whole career wanting to be like Flair and chasing the same respect and status Shawn has, yet he seems to have totally ignored the things they showed him about what you can leave as a real legacy once the worked win is forgotten.
It's fitting that Triple H has a huge nose like an Elephant trunk, he has a memory like them as well. I mean Batista is his one pure creation as he may have legitimized Cena at Mania 22 but he made note of that job and even though he couldn't get his win back at Mania 23 due to injury he beat Cena clean at NOC 2008in their first match since that Mania loss, there was absolutely no reason for him to beat the companies main guy.
I agree. Bischoff is the guy that really pushed us where we are now with major matches being given away for free. I think the first match between Sting and Hardy was given away for free on TNA tv. That was a huge match at the time. WTF? And TNA wonders why their buyrates aren't bigger. Wrestling has become a tv driven product instead of a live gate/ppv revenue driven product. Thats not a good or bad thing just the way it is. But tv should be used better to SELL the PPV's Otherwise whats the point? The big companies would be getting far more out of PPV's if they didn't give so much away.
With Triple H I don't think he believed in Cena as much as Vince at the time and thats where his ego took over. I also think we were on our way to H getting his win back at WM23. One time I'm glad the match changed. There was no point in that rematch other than to soothe HHH's ego. Cena was The GUY. Triple H should have just accepted that and moved on.
Originally Posted by
*Whiplash*
This is awesome. I can't wait to see the video. A shame Foley never got to have any big time feuds with Jericho or Punk. Feuds like that are tailor made fits.
Originally Posted by Dr. Evil
Aw man, Arnold did not promote Jingle All the Way when he did his Bruno speech.
If he were smart he'd have snuck in a cheap plug for The Last Stand's home video release. It needs it. Heck he had the master himself, Mick Foley, there so he may as well have taken advantage of his skills.
Originally Posted by Hunter Rider
Is that Punk? and more importantly is that Lita in the red dress?
Dude..I know! Man she is looking fine. Punks a lucky S.O.B.
Originally Posted by Dr. Evil
Despite her DUI last year, she's hot. I've forgiven her for her saying that Melina vs. Alicia Fox was the greatest match in WWE history.
I was really impressed at how good she's gotten in the ring. Its going to be funny as hell if the first person cut from the relaunched Tough Enough ends up having the most (and only) sucess in WWE. Its funny how things work out sometimes.
Originally Posted by
OnTheAir
From PWInsider.com:
Funks speech sounds entertaining as hell. Can't wait to hear it. I hope he's in full old and crazy mode.
Originally Posted by bullets
Punk and Triple H should of had an epic feud. The boneheaded decision to use Punk's momentum for Triple H's gain cost them in the long run. They could of made him a bigger star than he already is. I'm content with Punk as a performer , but I want to see the wwe machine back him like he was a Triple H or John Cena. The title reign was a great , but the damn thing only seemed relevant because it was around his waist. Punk did more for the title than it did for him.
The worst part was Nash costing Punk the title but Triple H still had to make it about himself. Punk wasn't even the one who got to punish Nash...Triple H did. Helmsley make the whole story about himself. Made no damn sense other than getting to work with his buddy and possibly end his career (making sure no one else got to) to put himself over. Kliq 4 Life.
Haitch got to prove Punk "wrong" in beating him AND take out the guy Punk should have. It did nothing for nobody except Triple H. I really wanted to puke.
Will Punk ever get to beat Triple H? Retire him maybe? Who knows. And thats really lame that we don't know or even have an idea because it should happen.
Originally Posted by bullets
I got to meet Bret Hart while he was promoting his dvd and this wasn't too long after Eddie died. There were people in line wearing Eddie shirts and asking him what he thought. Bret was very fond of Eddie and met him , but they never actually wrestled ( iirc). Bret did wrestle Malenko. I know that's random , but he came so close to wrestling Mysterio , Eddie , and Jericho. Those are some of the matches I wished happened. Also HBK vs Eddie Guerrero would of been special . Shawn and Eddie are both christian and got along well. I remember Shawn's words about Eddie and saying they would wrestle in heaven. epic.
I remember Shawn saying that too. Almost brought a tear to my eye. I didn't think Bret ever wrestled Eddie. The worst thing with all those missed opportunities was that he was IN WCW with Eddie and Jericho and Rey for a bit. Those matches could have happened even if they didn't have storylines. I liked Brets work with Malenko and the stuff with Benoit was classic. Some of the best matches of Brets WCW career.
Its really strange because between them Bret and Shawn wrestled a lot of the same guys and almost every big star of the last 20 years. So between the two of them you'd think ONE of them would have worked with Eddie. Thats even worse than cases where one of them worked with someone but the other didn't. Bret got to wrestle Sting and Booker but Shawn never did. Shawn got to wrestle Angle but Bret never did. Just really strang that neither one did anything with Eddie in that age where the face/heel thing wasn't even a restriction on who faced who. I guess it was just a case of the circumstances and things not lining up.
Those
"just missed each other" kind of fantasy matches really sting don't they?
Originally Posted by Kaleb
Dammit I heard Bob Backlunds speech was the highlight of the night,I must get the youtube clip.
Yeah I read he started running around too. I've got to see this. I've always liked "Mr." Backlund either way. The mans in great shape for his age. Bet he could outwork Flair now.
Originally Posted by AntMan
Rocky was a lovable underdog. In other words he's nothing like Cena's character.
Yeah. The first Rocky film wasn't about him winning. Boxing was a backdrop for the love story and the man's struggle against something far more general: life. His match with Creed was about him proving to others and himself that he belonged there. That he deserved the chance. That he could go the distance. It was his chance to prove he wasn't a nobody or a bum and he could at least make it to the dance. He didn't win the fight but he won something for his pride and Adrian's heart was the best prize he could have asked for. Thats why Rocky Balboa was such a great bookend. It didn't even matter that Rocky didn't win the fight with Dixon. He wanted to show that he could still step in the ring and give it a good try. He had something left to prove to himself because of that yearning. After his wife died he was a bit aimless and the fight helped him find peace and come to terms with a lot of things beyond just the end of his boxing career.
Boxing in the Rocky films has always been a great metaphore for life.
With Cena its always been about Cena WINNING. He's said so time and again in his two matches. He has to BEAT the Rock. Balboa's whole reason for living didn't hinge on winning even though he wanted to. He was an underdog and he knew it. Cena's no underdog even though he's not on the Rocks level as an all time star. He's achieved a ton of stuff. He's not a nobody. Just stepping in the ring with The Rock isn't enough. He wants to prove he can beat him. Its far more vain of a thing and he eventually took his loss a lot harder than Rocky Balboa did his loss against Apollo Creed.
Originally Posted by AntMan
LOL
I mean in order to have a Rocky scenario it would have to be someone like Zack Ryder, and not the top guy. Everyone expected Cena to win last year and the same goes for this year.
Exactly. A better comparison than Rock/Cena would be 1-2-3 Kid vs Razor Ramon. Nobody expected the Kid to win. Nobody took him seriously. He was less than a longshot he had no chance in most peoples minds.
Even that Jeff Hardy vs The Undertaker ladder match is a better fit. Jeff didn't win but he earned something just as important. Respect. He proved he belonged in that spot.
Originally Posted by
Hunter Rider
Look at that insincere mother****er, everyone knows he's bitter at people saying Foley made him.
LOL! Considering how Triple H never seems to go to bat for Foley I don't think he appreciates what he did for him nearly as much as he should.
During that period of the AE they were on the same level when Foley retired yet HHH seems to still think Foley was beneath him back then. Mick NEVER should have been off the HOF tv brooadcast. If it was USA's choice I hope Vince and HHH fought hard for him when they first heard the plan. Somehow I doubt it all went down like that though.
He knows no limits, he even wants Trish's HOF ring. 
DAHAHAHAHA! You're on a roll today. I must say Trish is looking especially gorgeous right there. I guess its true what the say about the glow of motherhood when a woman is pregnant.
Kinda annoying that both those old fossils had Trish either on her knees or bent over. Not fair.
"Hey Book! remember when I acted like a big plantation owning racist towards you and then kicked out of your finisher immediately and beat you clean at Mania?......Good times. 
"
Don't forget
"Remember that time I made you job during one of my many many combacks from injury? You were so annoyed by the sh**ty treatment you got that you left the company? Hahaha! Good times, Booker. We actually made you King just so I could call myself The King of Kings!"
Originally Posted by AntMan
Bruno and David Sammartino don't think much of Foley. I wonder if they crossed paths?
Interesting question. I also wonder how Bruno and David get along these days? Wonder if David was at the HOF for his dad's induction?
As far as Foley goes I HOPE Bruno made an effort to show Foley some respect and got along with him and maybe even praised him somehow someway. I guarentee Mick has nothing but respect for the Living Legend no matter what he said about Mick in the past. I get what Bruno is saying sometimes but hopefully he cuts guys of different eras some slack now because...well...they are from different eras. It shouldn't always be like it was in his day even though I think he makes some good points sometimes.
Originally Posted by Kaleb
You ever get the feeling that HHH went out of his way to persue Bruno just so Foley is no longer headlined the HOF?
Naaahhh. I think HHH went after Bruno because he's an old school kind of guy and he knew the HOF was incomplete and lacking in legitimacy without the WWE's first true face/megadraw during is existence as an independant promotion.
Plus getting Bruno for the HOF as they were holding Wrestlemania in NJ and the Hall in NYC made sense while they were in that New York/Northeast market. Bruno made a huge impression in that market.
Originally Posted by AntMan
No but I got the feeling Triple H and/or the Sammartinos were the reason Foley wasn't scheduled for the TV broadcast.
Exactly. I don't think Bruno had anything to do with the actual decision but I get the feeling Vince and HHH may have made the call to bump Foley just to make sure Bruno and Trump made the tv broadcast.
Its really cool to me how whenever Foley gets really disrespected or doesn't get his due from a big promotion fans let their feelings be known loud and clear.
For Mick this was almost a modern day equivilant of
"Hmmp! That'll put a lot of butts in seats" in the sense that fans knew the call was complete bulls*** and made sure the PTB knew it. Foley's earned more respect than that and the fans love him. Times like this are when a guy knows he's really made a mark. The people let him know by helping change things.
To me the fans support of Foley this week showed the impact he's made on this business far more than a HOF ring.
Originally Posted by Van Petrol
Definately better than their second outing the following year, imo.
I think HBK vs Taker I was the better wrestling match but HBK vs Taker II was the better story.
I'll give 'em credit. The second match had more doubts in my head about just what would happen. The
"My Journey" dvd title should have been a sign that Shawn was losing but I still had some doubts.
