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[DarthSkywalker]

So apparently Matt Riddle might have receipts, while the woman's receipts might be fake. This is all early so we will see, but talk of Riddle and the WWE suing.

 

[Holy Slapper]

Jack Gallagher released, without future endeavored. Apparently among the accused.

Riddle seems cleared as well:

 

[vantheman77]

Today is the 18th anniversary of TNA./ Impact wrestling.

Dave Lagana has resigned from the NWA as writer and head of production. '

 

[Lobo]

How many were accused?

Also Matt Riddle pinned AJ Styles in the middle of the ring 123.

 

[Dr. Evil]

How many were accused?

Also Matt Riddle pinned AJ Styles in the middle of the ring 123.

Smackdown was taped on Wednesday

 

[Holy Slapper]

How many were accused?

Also Matt Riddle pinned AJ Styles in the middle of the ring 123.

I think Tyler Bates and some other guys have been cleared. Some of those are also older, like Enzo, who was cleared.

It seems Riddle may indeed be falsely accused. At worst he just cheated.

Velveteen Dream on the other hand seems to be in deeper trouble.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Looking at that list, so on top of being a racist and a bully, Tessa Blanchard is a sexual abuser too? What did she do?

 

[Dr. Evil]

A lot of those guys are NXT UK. Jack Gallagher just got fired. Outside of Riddle, it seems like most of the WWE's main roster is safe....for now. That may have to do with the fact that there are a lot of couples on main roster (Montez Ford and Bianca BelAir, Charlotte and Andrade, Zelina Vega and Aleister Black, Jimmy Uso and Naomi, Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch) plus you have Nikki Cross and Killian Dain, Ricochet and Kacy Catanzaro and the husbands of Natalya (TJ Wilson) and Sasha Banks (Sarath Ton) work backstage. Not to mention the NXT couples of Johnny Gargano and Candice LaRae, Keith Lee and Mia Yim, Roderick Strong and Marina Shafir and Karrion Cross and Scarlett.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Two accusations against Dream. Apparently that is 4 in a year now. His twitter is still up, but has no messages.

Yeah, probably good they didn't put the NXT title on him.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Looking at that list, so on top of being a racist and a bully, Tessa Blanchard is a sexual abuser too? What did she do?

I believe it is a list of abusers in general, not simply sexual, but I might be mistaken. I have be seeing it all grouped together so far though.

 

[Dr. Evil]

So who are Tiffany, Rob James, Harszang, Leah Brooks, Tukay, Bubblegum, Zack Cooper, Able Stevens, Craig West, Lucas Steele, Sean Orleans and James Scott Gallagher and why are they on the list?

 

[TheVileOne]

I very much believe in due process and innocent until proven guilty. At the same time, there are too many claims and accounts for me to believe that all of these can be faked. And some wrestlers have already admitted guilt to some of these accounts.

It just seems the deeper things get, the worse it gets.

Honestly, I don't really know what to think now. To those who would criticize victims for not coming forward or reporting the crimes during the authorities, I mean it's obvious why. There are a number of reasons. But it's not like those crimes are easy to prove and they come down to "he said she said."

Also, that list above I believe is fake. I'm not buying all the names on that list until I at least hear or see some actual evidence.

Sorry but like it or not, I don't agree that we should destroy people's lives or careers over garbage as vague as that.

 

[TheVileOne]

I believe it is a list of abusers in general, not simply sexual, but I might be mistaken. I have be seeing it all grouped together so far though.

Very dangerous to lump all that kind of stuff in together.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think Tyler Bates and some other guys have been cleared. Some of those are also older, like Enzo, who was cleared.

It seems Riddle may indeed be falsely accused. At worst he just cheated.

Velveteen Dream on the other hand seems to be in deeper trouble.

I'm not trusting any list that looks like that. I agree we listen to the accounts and we listen openly and maturely. But I'm not trusting a vague unsourced list when another person and victim has already discredited it.

 

[Lobo]

I think Tyler Bates and some other guys have been cleared. Some of those are also older, like Enzo, who was cleared.

It seems Riddle may indeed be falsely accused. At worst he just cheated.

Velveteen Dream on the other hand seems to be in deeper trouble.

Have they all been found guilty? Or just accused? In my long life I've watched society go from presumed innocent until proven guilty, to being judged guilty as soon as you're accused of anything until proven innocent.

I did see the Cornette stuff. He has denied all of it. I'm sure the truth will come out in each of the cases in due time.

As for Smackdown being taped on Wednesday, I don't care. I watched yesterday and don't follow spoilers.

 

[TheVileOne]

That list has already been discredited and we shouldn't go by it at the moment.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Have they all been found guilty? Or just accused? In my long life I've watched society go from presumed innocent until proven guilty, to being judged guilty as soon as you're accused of anything until proven innocent.

I did see the Cornette stuff. He has denied all of it. I'm sure the truth will come out in each of the cases in due time.

As for Smackdown being taped on Wednesday, I don't care. I watched yesterday and don't follow spoilers.

They said he’ll be talking about the allegations on his podcast tomorrow. I cannot wait to hear that meltdown.

And with all these people speaking out, when the hell is anyone going to get Vince? If Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein can get it, then I’m sure Vince’s comeuppance is around the corner.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That list has already been discredited and we shouldn't go by it at the moment.

There are compiled list made by people and news sites all over the net, which are grouping everything together. On the SquaredCircle Reddit, you can see a list, with what each person is being accused of. Everything from rape, training abuse, unwanted advances, bullying, etc. It seems rather well curated by the mods there.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Very dangerous to lump all that kind of stuff in together.

Yeah, I love to watch Will Ospreay wrestle. But if there is any truth to this story, and there seems to be, he can right **** off.


Also Kay Lee Ray responding to Ligero:

 

[Mani-Man]

They said he’ll be talking about the allegations on his podcast tomorrow. I cannot wait to hear that meltdown.

And with all these people speaking out, when the hell is anyone going to get Vince? If Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein can get it, then I’m sure Vince’s comeuppance is around the corner.

David Starr who is a lot more eloquent than Cornette, dug a deeper hole by talking about it...not the best idea for ****mouth Cornette to talk about this.
He walks on thin ice here, his usual "honest *******" attitude can backfire extremely.
He shouldnt underestimate this, its about more than just him liking to watch how other dudes bang his wife.
There are serious accusations thrown at him.

Ospreays post is a weird thing, there is this constant "yeah but" undertone that makes this sound so fishy.
But then i honestly have no idea how people should and can defend themself in such cases.
A "im sorry" doesnt cut it, everything else often feels like the people just write it because they got caught or so.
I dont know, such situations are always really unclear because mostly its a he/she said he/she said thing.

It would absolutly surprise me if the wwe higher ups would be able to avoid a few bullets.
That is impossible, we know way too much about super ****ty stuff that happened in the past.
Vince will get away, enough people will take the bullet for him.
But the rest might be in trouble.

A part of me honestly wants to mute this all for selfish reasons, because i dont want to wake up and see one of my favorites getting accused and exposed to be a awful human.
But this all needs to happen right now, the business needs to change...and that fast.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

David Starr who is a lot more eloquent than Cornette, dug a deeper hole by talking about it...not the best idea for ****mouth Cornette to talk about this.
He walks on thin ice here, his usual "honest *******" attitude can backfire extremely.
He shouldnt underestimate this, its about more than just him liking to watch how other dudes bang his wife.
There are serious accusations thrown at him.

Ospreays post is a weird thing, there is this constant "yeah but" undertone that makes this sound so fishy.
But then i honestly have no idea how people should and can defend themself in such cases.
A "im sorry" doesnt cut it, everything else often feels like the people just write it because they got caught or so.
I dont know, such situations are always really unclear because mostly its a he/she said he/she said thing.

It would absolutly surprise me if the wwe higher ups would be able to avoid a few bullets.
That is impossible, we know way too much about super ****ty stuff that happened in the past.
Vince will get away, enough people will take the bullet for him.
But the rest might be in trouble.

A part of me honestly wants to mute this all for selfish reasons, because i dont want to wake up and see one of my favorites getting accused and exposed to be a awful human.
But this all needs to happen right now, the business needs to change...and that fast.

Personally, when I see an "apology" that includes paragraphs about all the "good" you did for the community, I immediately don't trust it. It is too busy distracting and avoiding the issue at hand. This situation feels like something happened, and the question is just how bad was it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, I love to watch Will Ospreay wrestle. But if there is any truth to this story, and there seems to be, he can right **** off.


Also Kay Lee Ray responding to Ligero:

I love Will Ospreay as a performer. But I can't really defend the things he did to Pollyana. I mean on some level, I can kind of understand siding with his friend and not believing his friend was a monster. But if he did blackball Polyanna from the business, that's really bad.

It's sort of like the Ultimate Warrior stuff as well. Like I want to believe he grew out of the racist and homophobic things he used to say. But at the same time, he apparently never really made amends for the things he said about Bobby Heenan and Droz, which were pretty awful and they didn't deserve it. But I'm still a fan of Ultimate Warrior. I loved his character and his work, but I'm not blind to some of the awful things he did as well.

Look, same with Ric Flair. There's really nothing I can say in defense of Flair if there's truth to what he did on the plane ride from Hell.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

David Starr who is a lot more eloquent than Cornette, dug a deeper hole by talking about it...not the best idea for ****mouth Cornette to talk about this.
He walks on thin ice here, his usual "honest *******" attitude can backfire extremely.
He shouldnt underestimate this, its about more than just him liking to watch how other dudes bang his wife.
There are serious accusations thrown at him.

Ospreays post is a weird thing, there is this constant "yeah but" undertone that makes this sound so fishy.
But then i honestly have no idea how people should and can defend themself in such cases.
A "im sorry" doesnt cut it, everything else often feels like the people just write it because they got caught or so.
I dont know, such situations are always really unclear because mostly its a he/she said he/she said thing.

It would absolutly surprise me if the wwe higher ups would be able to avoid a few bullets.
That is impossible, we know way too much about super ****ty stuff that happened in the past.
Vince will get away, enough people will take the bullet for him.
But the rest might be in trouble.

A part of me honestly wants to mute this all for selfish reasons, because i dont want to wake up and see one of my favorites getting accused and exposed to be a awful human.
But this all needs to happen right now, the business needs to change...and that fast.

Agreed. And if he comes out tomorrow with the usual profanity-laced, sh** talking like he normally does, it's not gonna make him look any better. He should've just said the allegations are false, and we'll see you in court. But Corny is a madman.

And as far as Vince and WWE, if and when they're long buried secrets come out, it's going to be like the fall of the Roman Empire once again. If it's happening to Hollywood, sooner or later it damn sure can happen to VKM.

It astonishes me how much stuff they have covered up besides Vince. We had no clue Debra was getting beaten by Stone Cold at the height of their popularity during their marriage, also, I remember reading Edge's autobiography and he even said he and Christian had rape charges filed against them by a fan but outside of his book, I've NEVER heard that brought up. And then I recall years ago on Matt Hardy's official website (around 2005, when Edge/Lita/Matt scandal happened), Edge's second wife Lisa used to be all on the forums talking about how Edge could be abusive and she even posted pics of her bruises that he gave her. But again, no one ever talks about those incidents anymore.

I say all that to say the rabbit hole is DEEP and our faves are probably scum in real life.

 

[Holy Slapper]

There are compiled list made by people and news sites all over the net, which are grouping everything together. On the SquaredCircle Reddit, you can see a list, with what each person is being accused of. Everything from rape, training abuse, unwanted advances, bullying, etc. It seems rather well curated by the mods there.

Do you have a link to it? I suck at using reddit.

 

[TheVileOne]

Do you have a link to it? I suck at using reddit.

Here's the link

Fair warning Holy Slapper, it gets really bad, ugly, dirty and sleazy. Like it's a lot to take in. Not to mention bleak and depressing.